Brady is famous for running the hurry up to keep crappy players on the field. I'd rather not have a bunch of noons on the field because we decided to overpay a couple of guys. I just don't believe Suh is worth $20 million or that Tannehill is worth $16 million. They're not THAT much of difference makers. Suh is a beast, but the highest paid defensive player EVER? We have holes all over the place at DB, LBs, OL.
I haven't kept myself up to date with every single free agent and draft pick the last few years but there's gotta be a better scenario than paying Suh $20 million and Tannehill $16 million. It just doesn't make sense. When we see the product on the field I'm sure you and others in this thread will see my point.
I guess we are thinking like professional teams do? Bradford was the consensus #1 pick I that draft if I recall. The rookie cap was what it was and they needed a QB. All of that is besides the point I've made over and over. They were still able to build a strong team around him via strong drafts. BTW the glaring reason the Rams can't get off the ground is because they're missing.......a QB.
If Tannehill capitalized on his running ability I wouldn't be protesting this contract as much. He's just not much of a difference maker. Defenses aren't scared of him. When he runs at least they're worried about giving up easy yards and having to account for something.
The two you mention have been disappointing, yes, but the real issue was not retaining either Smith or Davis (assuming one views at least one as worth keeping; I do). I preferred Davis, but if we had him we'd not have taken Taylor and we'd have a dominant CB on one side (Grimes not withstanding). Not entirely fair IMO. Jimmy Wilson, Nolan Carroll, and Reshad Jones all met or exceeded their draft selections (2011, 2010, and 2010 respectively). From there, we took Taylor and Davis high and they have indeed disappointed, but I'd say we really needed to invest more selections into DBs prior to their selections as well (as that was 2013). The initial three I mentioned were our only DB selections from 2010 to 2012, and all were 5th rounders or lower.
I never said Brady doesn't run hurry up. I said our depth is where our inexperience lies. Why is depth so important in this instance you've laid out, when we couldn't substitute into it even if we wanted to? That's fine if you don't think they are worth that. If you don't mind, please list specifically what you'd have done with that money to fill the holes we have (or would have since we wouldn't have Suh either)? If you're just going to criticize only in your posts and not offer a realistic alternative (beyond 'I'd have traded player x to team y for good players even though I have already established that player x isn't worth what he's being paid'), you'll eventually be ignored or labelled a troll (even if not true).
They needed a QB so they didn't draft BPA... it didn't end well... which leads me back to my point... Had they used that #1 overall pick on a different position or traded down, they almost surely would've fared MUCH better. Yet another example of a team forcing the issue and setting the franchise back years.
Like when they traded down in 2012 from #2 and still managed to not exceed their record from Bradford's rookie season (2010) in any of the next 3 seasons? That sort of MUCH better?
You're assuming you would have a PERFECT track record of drafting! Seriously man, Bradford was THE TOP guy in that draft according to most. A franchise QB. What don't you understand? So you would pass on him too because he's not Andrew Luck or Russell Wilson? This is getting reeeeeaaaaal far fetched.
I already said I'd make trades for proven veterans. Idk who is available for a trade. Suh isn't worth 5x or whatever amount he's paid more than Odrick. I'd likely still have Vontae Davis or Sean Smith. There's so much that'd be different had I been GM. You can't just demand answers out of me when there's been so many decisions made the past few offseasons.
No, we won't see, because your "plan" isn't a plan at all other than get good players for cheap via perfect drafting and acquiring top tier players out of thin air while ignoring the QB situation unless Andrew Luck is available.
So the team results don't actually matter, just whether or not you'd have done it as well? Because I don't see that Rams team faring MUCH better which has been the whole point you've been trying to suggest.
I don't recall him being as hyped up as Luck or Manning or whoever. I'm saying don't reach for a QB. Is that really farfetched? I just don't believe in doing that. If I'm a troll for believing that, so be it. I'm not saying my draft record would be perfect but things would be different. I'm not even saying we'd fare better. I'm just saying I don't agree with every decision. Am I not allowed to express my dissatisfaction without being labeled as a troll? There's plenty of moves this franchise has made that I have agreed with (including moves that might not work out), just not this one.
Odrick is getting paid roughly 9mill per Suh is averaged out to about 20? That's a little more than double. Suh is twice the player
We're paying ~$19M/yr in new money (including the option year) for the next 5 years after this one (where we get another year of Tannehill at very cheap).
I'm not even going to bother with you anymore. You're right. I'm making stuff up. I would've made the same moves as Ireland every time and then tell you I'd rather have Moore at QB so you can call me stupid. I can't say I would've drafted or traded or signed differently. You win.
Then why am I being labeled as someone who's playing the result and using hindsight? Any GM worth their salt would fare MUCH better with three first round picks instead of a single #2 overall pick. You're also not accounting for the development of those three first rounders. Oh but I'm sure you have all the patience in the world for Tannehill to improve our record. I'm still waiting.
You're right, Fin D. You win. I guess the Raiders didn't overpay for Crabtree and the Jags didn't overpay for Odrick. I'm sure us signing Suh didn't push Odrick to Jacksonville. I'm sure Odrick wouldn't be willing to take a hometown discount to stay in Miami.
I didn't call you a troll. Waiting for a Peyton Manning or an Andrew Luck to fall into your lap is career suicide. You would have to have the #1 overall pick and that means that your team was the worst in the league the year before.
That sure seems to be what you're saying, unless you think your method will potentially set the franchise back for years as well.
No, Stitches said I'm running the risk of being labeled as a troll. McDuffie and Fin D criticize everything I say about making different draft picks, signings and trades, so I guess they agree with everything Ireland, Hickey and Tannenbaum has done. I'm not saying don't draft a QB unless you have a Luck type player, but don't reach for one and then hand out a $100 contract to someone without a playoff appearance or even a winning record.
This is a new one. Essentially, Tannehill has value because NFL coaches are as stupid as those of us who like Tannehill, not because he's any good. Honestly, this is tiresome. You can't seriously have watched his games, considered his co-workers, and considered the growth he's made every year, and then come to this conclusion. Yes, he has stuff to work on, every QB does. Correct, he may not be Andrew Luck, but he's not nearly the garbage, average QB you make him out to be.
i think these are good points..but as you pointed out, I wouldn't of traded andrew luck for 3 first rounders..so I agree with you on some level.
I have a lot of patience for Tannehill to improve our record, sure. When he stops improving his own game I'll probably have less patience.
So why are you judging the record of the Rams immediately after making first round picks each year? That's not a fair assessment at all. Tannehill was picked in 2012 and still hasn't helped improve our record. Unless you believe he singlehandedly made the 1 game difference.
