Perhaps he's not worth #8 money RIGHT NOW. But a long term contract is based on what people THINK he will do based on his past performance. I think it's reasonable to think that Tannehill will play at at least #8 level in the next year or so.
I don't believe Tannehill single-handedly made the one game difference, no. But I do think he gives us a much better chance to win than most every reasonably available alternative at the moment. I am judging the Rams record because it was exactly the opposite of what you said would happen if they had opted not to draft Bradford. They opted not to draft RG3 in 2012, traded down, and their record still has not improved. If 3 years after a trade is not enough time to judge, how have you settled in on Tannehill not being the answer or a reach after only three seasons?
Yes, because Tannehill plays oline, running back, receiver, special teams, defense, and coaches the team. You are showing your true bias now. Were you on here under a different name prior to last December?
You're judging the trade they made since 2012. They didn't trade #2 overall to #6 overall for nothing. They got a first rounder in 2013 and 2014. So wait until at least 2017 to see how they did.
Wow dude, you need to get a life if you're checking my profile. I was a lurker before then. Those are the positions I'd try to be filling had I been GM. I'd trade down and pick up more 2nd and 3rd rounders.
I assumed he meant #8 QB in the league, not draft status. I am definitely on board with this extension, and think he's worth it.
Ok dude. It's right under your name. Every. Time. You. Post. Remind me again the success rate and average career of third rounders? For the record, remind me again how many second rounders we the at the QB position since Marino retired? And how'd those work out?
Whatever. It's not what I see on my mobile app. Regardless you shouldn't care who I am or which accounts I post under. We're talking football. That's it.
Will say, for a Dolphins Qb he has a lot of success v New England, his issues have been Buffalo and NYJ
I'm not worried about anything. Care to refresh people's memory on how many second rounders we burned on the QB position since Marino? I mean, that is what you were advocating for, a couple posts ago.
I am not judging the players that were selected, I am judging whether the team has improved over a given time frame. There is an opportunity cost that you don't seem to be factoring in to some of these decisions. If a QB reach hamstrings a team/sets them back for 3-5 years, how much different is it from waiting 3-5 years to see if the alternative moves you made pan out? You'd still be looking at the same results. A GM doesn't typically get 6 seasons before he needs to show that his decisions were the right ones.
If what I'm reading is accurate, and the dolphins have an out after year 1 and year 2, and only 25 is fully guaranteed unless he's on the roster, there is no way to not like this deal. He's ours if we want to keep him, or cut him and be off the hook minus the 25 guaranteed mil. I think we gave Karlos dansby damn near 25 guaranteed 5 years ago. that's having an option. Win.
I'm not criticizing Tannehill, per se. He should've taken the money. The GM and Tannenbaum are at fault for paying him more than he's worth. I actually like Tannehill. Just not THAT much. If he ran more I probably wouldn't make much of a big deal about this contract. I just think he doesn't have a really good feel for the game. I believe part of the reason is he hasn't always been a QB.
I didn't specify I'd draft a QB in the 2nd or 3rd round. Maybe I would, maybe I wouldn't. I'd try to draft BPA.
We can get out after 2016, just like we could have had an out after 2016 prior to today. We're chancing $25M today that he'll be worth more than 4yrs, $78M or whatever following the 2016 season. No clue if the bet will prove good, though I obviously hope it does.
Doesn't change the fact that the draft picks need time to develop the same way you believe Tannehill does. And if they got 1st rounders until '14 for that one trade, you can't fairly judge the impact of that trade until AT LEAST '17. The GM may be fired before then but it still doesn't change the fact that the team will likely fare better as a result of that trade. Ireland was fired. Do you believe we're faring better because of Tannehill?
i wish folks would stop trying to pull this ****, this site is better than that..you have no proof to say anything like that, i never thought one time about him being someone else..i think its strait up bush league to compare him to someone you obviously don't like just because he's on a topic you don't agree with.. let the man ****in talk without judging him.
Outside of 2012 the team is faring better because of Tannehill. The 2012 season likely would have been better with someone else at QB, however, 2013 and 2014 may have been worse had Tannehill not played in 2012.
Everybody can stop bashing me now. If we have the option to drop Tannehill after a couple of years, I like the deal. I'm hoping I'm wrong and he's worth more than what we're paying him. I just don't see how he's more valuable than other moves we could've made since 2012.
For us, look at Henne over the same period of time. Tannehill has measurably improved every season, has been durable, and is far better in the Red Zone than Henne ever could have hoped to reach. I'm not concerned about the $ at all, I'm not a GM, what I am concerned about is THill's penchant to playing down to the opponent
Are the real contract numbers available yet? Including the structure? 6 years/96 million/28 million guaranteed is basically the real contract value Andy Dalton got. As others have stated, Tannehill is the better QB at this point. Some seem unhappy about it, but the price of a long term starting QB these days is expensive. Given his improvement every season, it's not unreasonable to think he'd do it again and up his value even more. As it is, he's getting the same or less than Andy Dalton and Kaepernick. Two players he's better than. And we certainly can't just let him walk because we don't want to pay for 'good' rather than 'great/elite'. Bottom line is this. If Tannehill maintains his current level of play (remains a low-mid 90's rated QB), the deal is still good for us given the market value of the position. If Tannehill can continue to elevate his game and become a top 10 QB, then we've stolen millions from this kid's bank account and put ourselves in an envious cap situation as far as other franchises w/top 10 QB's are concerned. The Miami Dolphins won the Tannehill negotiations. The only way this is bad for us, is if Ryan's play deteriorates to a level in which he would of been cut/let go. While not impossible, it's highly improbable given the handicaps he's played with all 3 years he's been w/us, and still took steps forward.
This is true if you're talking about a job like bricklayers. If you have a special goal to achieve like building a new Dolphins Stadium, you sign extra bricklayers on so one person being extra productive doesn't really make a big difference to the final product. But in football you only have 11 people on the field at any one time which limits the total amount that can be produced. A player who is 10% more productive than average is worth a lot more that average pay plus 10%.
Wow. That was a fun 12 pages. TRADE EVERYONE FOR PICKS! Then trade down with those picks to get more picks. Sign Odrick and then trade Tannehill for Bradford. Did I miss anything? Why do some of you even root for the Dolphins?
Once the other 2012 QB's get their contracts expect 20/20 hindsight to kick in and this deal will look amazing. And watch for Tannehill to impress even more this year. He's going to be a real leader on this team, not just a QB in name only. We're going to see better throws, some freaking incredible throws from time to time - threading the needle - and just solid play. Tannehill is by all accounts growing into the role every single year and the only question is ceiling and I don't believe we've seen it yet. My two main concerns are keeping him protected and not allowing him to take ownership. If he keeps taking hits like he has then I think we have to expect an injury. The front office need to ensure he's adequately protected, especially in this division. Then, although he had needed to grow into the NFL the coaches have to ensure they let him take ownership and make the offense his own. If they treat him like a robot it won't work and he'll under-perform.
Stop. You said we signed Suh for 5x what Odrick would have signed for. Quit trying to obfuscate the fact that you exaggerated and got called on it.
Just to clarify on my use of the word "educated" way back on page 6 or wherever that someone seemed to take offense at: I was saying that there are plenty of educated people who would tell you Tannehill's deal involved too much money. That doesn't mean there aren't people on the other side of the argument equally as educated. I wasn't saying any of you are uneducated, merely patting finsfandan on the back and saying, 'don't feel like you're the only one asking those questions.' I was speaking to finsfandan reminding him that despite being treated like an idiot by a mass of 5-7 other posters who all disagreed and seemed to take it very personally, there are plenty of people in his camp whose analysis and opinion have appreciable gravity. So if anyone got offended...you interpreted incorrectly what I was saying there. Sticking up for one guy's confidence does not equate to a personal attack on someone else.
Well, I'd love to say I'm surprised how this thread turned out, however... I can't. As for the deal, seeing some of the comments on how it's structured, theres no way you shouldnt like this deal. Good QB's don't grown on trees. This is the going rate for starting calibre QB's now. There's no way around that. The deal looks friendly to the team, and to Tanny. Looks like we have a way out still without being on the hook for the full 45 mill guaranteed. You really can't complain. We've committed to him, without fully committing to him. Lets be realistic about it, the way I understand it, we were on the hook for around $18 million to him over the next two seasons anyways after picking up the option. They way the contract is structured, we're now on for 21.5 million guaranteed. So... why the complaining over $3 million, for good QB play. If we decide to let him go before the other guarantees kick in... then no harm, no foul. It cost us an extra $3 million, and of course, by us... that means Stephen Ross.
Well, DJ, he is saying that Tannehill has not contributed, or been responsible for a win. I'm pointing out that wins are complete team affairs. You really have a problem with that??
