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Tannehill extended through 2020

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Coloradotrv, May 18, 2015.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    What? There was no "investigation." Your join date is literally under your name in every post. Nor was there a baseless accusation. There was a question, as, if you are actually a former poster, there would be no need for me to continue posting about Tannehill with you, because I well know where that other guy stands.
     
  2. Fin D

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    Deej, sometimes people get banned for legit reasons, you know. Often, those people try to come back under aliases. That hurts the site.

    I have no idea who this person is that resnor was talking about and I don't think finsfandan is a person that's here under an alias, but its very important to the quality of the site to catch trolls.

    Is it overused? Yes. But your 0 tolerance stance on it doesn't make sense either.
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    November 2014 Mayock's Slant video on Tannehill's growth.

    One of the few videos toward the end of last season talking about T17, that I've seen/found.
     
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  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Excellent video.

    Mayock's final point about the oline really and truly explains the whole season, good and bad.
     
  5. jaymoney

    jaymoney it's magic baby

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    Well. I dont know why folks are arguing. We Knew that we are going to re-sign him and we Knew that we should pay that amount of money. He isn't elite QB. But theres chance to become one of them he improved under ****ty *** OL every year and took a hit like a grown man, no injury, never missed game. He may not be elite QB. But should we invest that money to another Ellerbe and Dansby? HELL NO.
     
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  6. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    Amazing job all around. Kudos to Tanny for constructing this deal. Kudos to Tanny for not being an utter pig and dragging these negotiations out for a few M more.

    Go compare Dalton and RT and look at the money and you will see how much of a deal Miami got on this. Also wait until Luck, Wilson and maybe RG3 sign their deals and this is going to seem like bargain city. The going rate for a starting QB is 18M+....

    Lastly, I think it is time the coaching staff unleash him a little bit more, I understand babysitting the QB in a rookie deal, but this is a franchise QB deal, time to let him play like one...

    For those who dislike this, check your noodle, we could always have Ray Lucas and Chad Henne back.....

     
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  7. normaldude

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    I think Ryan Tannehill is a limited QB, that can put up elite numbers when paired with strong catch radius receivers that match his skillset.

    Tannehill is good at low trajectory direct throws, but struggles with high arcing a deep ball so a 4.3 receiver can accelerate through the ball for a home run TD.

    As long as we build around Tannehill's strengths - which we now have - I think Tannehill can put up elite numbers, and Miami can have a top 5 offense.
     
  8. Deus ex dolphin

    Deus ex dolphin Well-Known Member

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    If Tanny takes another step, this is an excellent deal for Miami. He only has to be consistently good for this deal to be worth it, and if he does edge closer to elite it becomes a steal. Imagine what a top good-great QB will be getting 4-5 years from now, probably in the $25-26 million range.
     
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  9. djphinfan

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    I've heard him try to convey one thing, that he would rather not give this qb this type of money..thats about it..
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats not fair, i don't think he gave that impression nor do I feel he was like someone else, nor was he disrespectful.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Huh?
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

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    Don't think finsfandan is anymore of a troll than Resnor.
     
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  13. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I didn't call finsfandan a troll. I said the opposite actually.
     
  14. DevilFin13

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    Wouldn't know. This team weaned me off that a while ago. And now I'm hesitant to do it even now with Tanny just because of it. I'm even hesitant to get the shirt that has their name and number. I use my Vontae Davis and Brandon Marshall shirts for 'I'm too lazy to do laundry and need a shirt' situations.
     
  15. DevilFin13

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    The only thing I'd add is that he doesn't seem to be on the elite level of decision making-quickness. That may be an unfair comparison given that the current elite crop may be the best to ever play the game. But being optimistic about it, he's been a QB for a lot less time than them, even at similar ages in the league. So maybe it will come. I'm not sure the high trajectory throws changes without a change in his release point and/or his stature (he's very upright and doesn't bend at the knees much).
     
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  16. CaribPhin

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    This guy isn't Shou. We can easily tell which person Shou is at the time. Shou understands numbers and what constitutes value. I haven't seen anything here indicating that he is in this thread.
     
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  17. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    And what if I became president. Those eventualities apply to every team, so asking them as if it provides support for an argument is not the best move. The relevance is mitigated by the fact it applies to all NFL teams. Depth is an issue when you can dress on 53.

    Has been for a while now.
     
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  18. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    I never said he was Shou. There were a couple other anti-Tannehill guys here the end of last year, who got banned. Was wondering if he were one of them. Nevertheless, I didn't accuse him, I simply asked if he'd been on here under a different name.

    Frankly, DJ, he did say that Tannehill was not good because he hadn't made a difference in our win total. That is why I pointed out that he doesn't play all those other positions.

    I've come to realize, you can bash on Tannehill all you want, and no one will complain. However, dispute with the Tannehill bashers, and people will come out of the woodwork to call you all sorts of names, and be extremely condescending to you.
     
  19. brandon27

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    This type? What do you mean by that DJ?


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    Back to Ryan...

    What I see here... we have a QB, who's playing in and around the top 15 at his position in the league. We were on the hook for 2 years at 18.5 million already, now for those first two we're on the hook for 21.5 million. So, big deal? The rest of the guaranteed dollars from what I've read are fully guaranteed on injury, or somethign to that effect. By all accounts, it's a very team friendly deal, and it's not too painful at all if we walk away after two years. So, we're paying him a bit more than we were going to this year, but you've at least committed to him, and locked him up. Which tells me that the FO believes the complete overhaul of the WR position is going to benefit Ryan greatly, and make this an even better deal for the team moving forward.

    Back to the point of "this type of QB"... I don't know what were getting here. I probably don't want to. I want to keep this simple... This is a QB, in the NFL. Who's started, played well. Is still growing and progressing. There's two QB's coming up very shortly who are going to make a BOATLOAD of cash in Luck and Wilson. Why wait to lock up your guy until those two get done and drastically inflate the QB salary? Get it done, provide that message to the lockerroom that he's your guy, he's the leader of that huddle, he's not going anywhere.

    QB's don't grow on trees in this league. The notion of trading him for picks to a desparate team, is ridiculous. The notion of letting him walk and drafting someone new. Ridiculous. We have a better shot right now starting, and extending Ryan Tannehill than we do at starting over. We have a guy now that can play. He may not be elite. He may never be, and we can all argue that all day long, but you can't spend your whole existence as an NFL team searching for a QB. You've got one. He's not the best, sure. Chances of him succeeding now that you know what you have in him though, far outweigh the chances of the next best QB like Luck to fall into your lap. It just doesn't happen that way. Especially when you know you will likely be drafting mid to late in the pack again next year, not near the top. You know you have a team talented enough to be in the playoff picture, so you aren't going to get a top 5 guy in the draft at QB, you're going to hope to get lucky with a late round guy. That just doesn't happen often.

    He's what we have, he's good enough to win in this league, and can take this team to the playoffs. We've fallen 1 game short the last two years with abysmal OL and DB/defensive play. Keep building around him like we did this offseason, keep coaching him up, there's no loss in this scenario. I firmly believe the FO recognizes that. I said it earlier, my understanding of the deal from an article I read on PFT last night, we basically committed to him, without really fully committing to him.

    The market for QB's is expensive. You can't help that, that's what you're going to pay when you get to the second contract for a worthy QB. You can't just trade the guy, or walk away and try and move on, or you just spend your whole life waiting for your whole life.
     
  20. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You misunderstood everything actually but that's okay. You just wanna bash me and call me an idiot. I never said trade for Bradford. I never said trade everyone for picks. Go ahead and quote me you troll.
     
  21. jw3102

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    I have stated many times I don't think Tannehill will lead the Dolphins to the SB. But he is certainly in the area of a Dalton or Smith, so I really have no problem with this contract. If he proves me wrong and makes a giant leap forward in the next year or two, the Dolphins FO will have pulled off a steal in comparison to the contracts Luck and Wilson are going to sign.

    If on the otherhand he plateaus over the next couple of seasons and the Dolphins stay around the 500 mark in wins and losses, it isn't a contract which will hamper the team for years to come.
     
  22. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Quote me then. I said "or whatever" so yes, I was exaggerating.
     
  23. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I just saw Brunell, Jemele and Mike Smith talk about the contract Tannehill got. None of them thought it was a great deal.

    Some of you guys really need to stop being such homers and learn to accept criticism. There's a reason why the Dolphins are always being criticized for handing out huge contracts.
     
  24. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I'm already on the record for saying I like the option to opt out after a couple of seasons.
     
  25. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    I never said he hasn't contributed to "a win." That would mean I thought we've won the few games we've won despite him.

    Some of you are so dishonest. Quote me. It's that simple.
     
  26. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    The fact that any of you believe I'm a troll and could've been banned is just sad.

    I can't criticize the Dolphins current and former front office? This forum doesn't feel very welcoming for new posters with differing opinions. Only very few have defended the fact that I took this position.
     
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  27. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Quote me on those claims. There's several posts on this thread of me saying I actually like him and wished he ran more, but that I wouldn't give him this contract.

    Nobody has been condescending to you. You're the one linking me to people who were banned. So because I disagree with you you want moderators to keep an eye on me?

    Chill out. I root for the Dolphins. I don't agree with everything they do and have done. Other times I've loved their moves.
     
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  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    I will be honest with you.

    I have seen no behavior of yours that deserves a ban. While I disagree with your point, you have been pretty respectful in our conversation. I appreciate it. Even though you are wrong. :tongue2:
     
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  29. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You're only comparing Tannehill to other QBs. I'd rather use that pick on someone much more talented for their position.
     
  30. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Newton is a much better QB than Tannehill IMO. He's proven he can play. Kuechly is one of the top MLBs in the league, if not the best.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think Tannehill is much better passer than Newton.
     
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  32. finsfandan

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    I appreciate it. For the record I've already stated that I like our option to opt out after a couple of seasons instead of tying up 45 million guaranteed for three seasons. I hope I'm wrong and Tannehill is a steal but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
     
  33. finsfandan

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    I would say Tannehill is a slightly better passer but much more hesitant to run. If Tannehill actually used that skill he has I'd say he might be a better QB.
     
  34. finsfandan

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    Dez Bryant.
     
  35. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You're not comparing best seasons.

    I'm sure opposing defenses are much more worried about Newton than Tannehill.
     
  36. finsfandan

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    I really believe Dez Bryant contributes the most to his team out of all those guys listed, yes. The disparity between Romo and Orton is huge, but you're not comparing Bryant to their WRs.

    Look at Matt Ryan. He's just as good as Tony Romo but with a bad team he can't win.
     
  37. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    Also look at Flacco and Eli and Brees aside from Ryan. They've proven they can win but not without great teams. Tannehill might not even be as good as them so why give him a huge contract?
     
  38. Clark Kent

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    Cam Newton missed two games, played with fractures in his lower back, ran for 6 TD's, had no oline, and his entire starting WR corps left in FA (Smith, Lafell, Ginn).
     
  39. jdang307

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    Cam Newton had the potential to be very, very good. Better than what I've seen from Tanny by far.

    But the last two seasons, meh. His throwing mechanics have gotten fracked up. He's never been accurate but he's taken a step back the past year. It was painful to watch.
     
  40. finsfandan

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    Thanks for the context. I haven't followed Newton much and I had a feeling those stats were misleading.

    Newton passes the eye test. Tannehill... not sure...
     

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