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Game of Thrones - Season 5

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  1. Deerless Dice

    Deerless Dice Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dorne has been a snooze fest. I worry for Bronn though, he took a dagger wound and that may turn into something nasty. He's the only saving grace of those Dorne scenes and he might not make it out alive.
     
  2. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I guess I'm in the minority, as I liked the episode a lot. I can understand why fans want to hurry things along, but when you have so many sprawling stories that interconnect, there has to be time for others to catch up (I keep hearing complaining about cuts, but could you imagine how slow the progress of this season would be w/o them?). While characters like Arya, Tyrion/Jorah and Bronn/Jaime are slowly getting to where they need to be, there was major happenings in King's landing w/Cersei consolidating power and the Bolton's doing the same in Winterfell, with Littlefinger playing both sides against each other. I get that these characters aren't as popular as the others, but I'm generally interested in everyone at this point, and I enjoy any storyline progression, even if the fan favorites are in exposition stages.


    I'm not sure why people feel let down by Dorne. We've barely scratched the surface of what it has to offer. And so far, the introduction has been action packed with two cool fight scenes. And now that all the players are gathered together, we'll see what Dorne really is about.
     
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  3. rafael

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    I wondered if it was poisoned as well. I get the impression that the sand snakes poison their weapons as a matter of rule rather than as the exception.
     
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    The wolves they use in GOT are from Canada. They did an interview with the trainer who said Ghost has lots of screen time in episode 7. So I take it we see a fight scene involving jon snow
     
  5. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    [video=youtube;QfuOtoPBFw4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfuOtoPBFw4[/video]
     
  6. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    As we saw in ep 6, Ghost was left behind at Castle Black. So, no, Ghost's scene(s) will not involve Jon Snow.

    This is correct. Oberyn poisoned his weapons, and his daughters take after him.

    They've taken the first 30% or so of the book Dorne plot and stretched it out over 6 episodes, inserting a lot of rewrites as filler material along the way. This plot should be much further along than it actually is. And we've seen shamefully little of Doran Martell.
     
  7. TiP54

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    The idea what bunch of robed fanatics took over KL and that pretty lame. Wouldn't be hard at all to wipe them, all things considered. I'm sure there's a big picture plan, but as of right now...Laaaaame
     
  8. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Why is it lame? The crown not only allowed it to happen, they empowered them. What could anyone do outside of the crown? And until Cersei was apprehended, the crown had no reason to act against them.
     
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  9. TiP54

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    I completely understand that.

    However the moment they lose their main backer, all you have to do is denounce them as King and send in armed guards/army to clear town of bunch of dudes in robes who probably won't do as well vs an actual solider in armor instead of naked high bloods in brothels. Let's be real here.
     
  10. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    well, at that moment... yes she was the most beautiful woman I've seen... :shifty:
     
  11. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Season 6 casting calls are going out. Based on the descriptions, it looks like at least 3 characters who have been cut so far may be making on screen debuts.

    I'm not linking the descriptions, in order to avoid spoilers.
     
  12. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Dude... That's someone's daughter.


























































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  13. Vengeful Odin

    Vengeful Odin Norse Mod

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    The show hasn't done a good job explaining it, but there are essentially the Sparrows (including the High Sparrow) who are the brains of the outfit, and an offshoot, the Faith Militant. In the books they're essentially a religous army, and more daunting than what you've seen in the show. These are the guys that have the 7 pointed star carved into their heads. Most are young men (like Lancel) and have some form of military training already.
     
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  14. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    They have multiple hostages. The King's mother and the King's wife. I don't think the King is going to be doing much of anything at the moment. Even if he could, there is a war being fought on the King's behalf and Tommen doesn't have an army at the ready. In the meantime, the church clearly has plans for an uprising as per the conversation with Sparrow and Olena. And the reason the church's arms were removed in the first place, was because they ****ed with Crown and swayed way too much influence. Cersei, being who she is, was unable to think two moves ahead, didn't see the obvious dangers.
     
  15. Deerless Dice

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    Was nice to see the Lancel bomb finally drop, seeing as Cersei both slept with him when Jamie was a prisoner of Robb and also used him to poison Robert during the hunt that lead to his eventual death. I wonder if Littlefinger is going to use his influence over his brothel manager (the guy who implicated Loras and Margaery) to get him to recant his testimony so they go free while Cersei goes down
     
  16. rafael

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    I don't think the crown has a ton of armed guards around. In the book most of the army is away trying to regain lands under Jaime (who refused to return when Cersei called for him). I don't recall where they are in the show, but Tommen specifically says that he will "call his army back" so wherever they are, it's not at King's Landing. So in reality the largest armed force in King's Landing is probably the one controlled by the High Septon. And that's before you consider that it seems that the people would probably back the High Septon instead of the Crown (the "few vs. the many" line by the High Sparrow). Reality is that Cersei needed an army and created one she thought she could control (she also wanted plausible deniability). But reality is that she didn't control it and now may well lose her crown (or Tommen's since the the High Septon refused to endorse him).
     
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  17. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    If they don't get James Purefoy (Marc Antony - Rome) for the bigger role, I'm going to be pissed. He's perfect.
     
  18. Desides

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    Butā€¦ they already cast the bigger role. He's sleeping with Dany in every episode. :shifty:

    Not sure how applicable this is to the show, but in the books, there are 2 large Tyrell armies to the north and south of King's Landing. They are ostensibly loyal to Tommen.

    It seems like in the show, King's Landing is largely undefended except for the gold cloaks, who are doing nothing about the Faith Militant because of the royal decree allowing them to exist (and the general unpopularity of Lannister royalty).
     
  19. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Where did Kevin Lannister say he was going after he told Cersei off? I have to imagine he's coming back after they introduced him earlier this season. Otherwise what was the point?
     
  20. texanphinatic

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    Back to King's Landing cause he don't take no **** from Cersei. In the books, I want to say this is about when he came back. Won't go into anything further though.

    The Faith Militant in the books were mostly seen as trained soldiers tired of war who converted to a holy army - like Lancel. Most of the Lannister army was either with Kevan in Casterly or Jaime in the Riverlands in the books. With Jamie gone, that seems to be largely unaddressed. I am interested to see where they take the Tyrell hostage situation, it played out much differently in the books.

    Keep in mind, that trial by combat should be possible for all parties.

    This episode was still somewhat lackluster for me (this whole season has been ...) but definitely better than last week. I like Jorah and Tyrion getting down to business, glad that Bronn is not being offed, somewhat interested to see what the Snakes have planned with him in mind, and how Olena and Kevan get their groove on. Less excited to see Stannis potentially kill his kid (please let's not go there) and the ongoing Ramsay thing (dear lord just kill him off already).
     
  21. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    It's kind of crazy that no one is talking about the BIGGEST thing that happened this episode...

    Tyrion has met Dany. Dany has met Tyrion.

    Season 2 has always been my favorite season. Namely because it was the Tyrion Lannister show. Watching him take power and play the GoT was amazing TV. Not only was he cunning and clever, but he did it with style. Dany has had her share of epic moments throughout the series, but she's constantly unsure. She means well, but has no idea how to rule or play the GoT. And her advisers were.... quite frankly ****. They had no idea how to rule either. Just a bunch of back seat drivers without long term vision and planning abilities.

    Now? Dany's got herself a player. Arguably the best player left on the Westeros chess board. And unlike her previous counsel, Tyrion isn't one to just back down without a challenge and just say "Yes, Khaleesi." The Mareen story line was intended to show us Dany's weaknesses as a ruler, despite her idealism. That **** is coming to an end. Arguably the two best characters have finally hooked up together.

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  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    P.S.

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    MOAR.
     
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  23. finsincebirth

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    Holyyyyyy ****
     
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  24. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Episode 8
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    The last twenty minutes were incredible. Loved it. I love that these dead can actually move. Reminded me of the opening scene in 28 weeks later. A chaotic frenzy of awesomeness. The walking dead zombies aint got **** on these guys. And we also learned that dragon glass isn't the only defense against the White Walkers. Apparently, Valyrian Steel works too. Is that a big clue for what's to come?

    Think about it this way...

    1. We know Dragon Glass kills White Walkers.
    2. We know Valyrian Steel kills White Walkers.

    What do these two things have in common? Valyria. What is Valyria most famous for? Dragons. Dragons can create dragon glass, and they bound to Valyrian's. We don't know the mechanism behind creating Valyrian steel, as the process was lost in the Doom of Valyria. But it's not a stretch to think that maybe Dragon's were instrumental in that process?

    A lot of fans are itching for Dany to take her army and Dragon's to Westeros and wreck shop against all those who claim the Iron Throne. Seems a bit... easy. Those Dragon's are described by GRRM as the Nuclear Weapons of the day. And we know Dany's ancestors took control of Westeros through conquest. Hell, they created the Iron Throne from the "1000 blades of Aegon's fallen enemies." Maybe history repeats. But Tyrion brought up two interesting points tonight.

    If Dany's going to Westeroes, she needs to inspire devotion. It's not enough to have the common people behind her, as the wealthy and powerful lords could still mess with her, as are the current Masters of Essos. How do you rally the Lords? Saving them from an unstoppable force of White Walkers and their zombies is one way... Without an equalizer (Dragon's), how can you stop the White Walkers? Seems like an impossible task given that every dead man becomes fodder for the Night's King army.

    I have a suspicion that Dany may never truly to able to control her dragons. And really, there's no "how to train your dragons for dummies" available at the local Mareen, Barnes and Noble... The final season will be like the Avengers/Justice League, Game of Thrones style. All these different storylines that have nothing to do with the Iron Throne don't really tie in. Bran wargs Dany's dragons, Ayra becomes a ninja assassin and infiltrates the Night's King and his crew or something, etc... Would be a nice way to get everyone working together after working apart for so long.

    And I also think their might be another connection between Dany (Valyrian) and the White Walkers. Remember back in season 2 when the warlocks told Dany that when her Dragons were born, magic suddenly came back? That's why they locked her in their dungeon and stole her dragons? Maybe Valyrians and the White Walkers are somehow, connected? They're clearly opposites (Ice and Fire)... Dragon's came back and now winter is coming. There's one problem with that theory... White Walkers arrived in the opening scene of the pilot episode, long before the Dragon's were born at the end of season 1. So the timing isn't quite right. But it does kind of fit, right?


    But yeah... Cool episode.

    p.s. LOL at Tyrion not giving a **** and making the Queen work to get him on her side, as oppose to begging for her mercy like everyone else and getting sand kicked in their face. Dany was digging him. It was only two scenes, but I already love them together. Once her walls come down with him, they're going to be fun.

    p.s.s. Episode 9 is coming... The penultimate episode is titled
    A Dance with Dragons
    . Can't wait! /Bart Scott

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  25. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    OMGOMGOMG... that might be the greatest episode EVER! How am I supposed to sleep now?

    Seriously... Dany and Tyrion sitting drinking wine was faptastic... I was on the edge of my seat for that one... wonderful dialogue.... and like Clark said.. the last 20 minutes... OMG the Giant...
     
  26. Deerless Dice

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    I really thought Edd was a goner when Wun Wun broke out of the hall and Jon was looking for the Dragon glass. I'm glad he made it out. The entire hardhome sequence was amazing, possibly better than Blackwater Bay. Well worth the wait. When Jon parried the white walker and his sword didn't shatter, the expression on the white walker's face was priceless. I also loved when the Night King had his stare down with Jon and did his "Come at me, Crow." After Hardhome, it certainly puts things into perspective. Everyone else is fighting to be in control of Westeros, but as it stands, there won't be a Westeros to win when you have a horde of ice zombies lead by a necromancer getting ready to come south for the Winter.

    Tyrion did a good job of posturing when he had very little leverage. I wonder how effective he will be until/If Dany is able to cross the narrow sea and they're back on his turf. I'm sure he'll want to see the Dragons sooner rather than later. I mean, who wouldn't.
     
  27. rafael

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    Great episode. I really liked Wun Wun, but my favorite part was Dany and Tyrion.
     
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    Fin D Sigh

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  31. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I'm not as high on episode 8 as the rest of you, but it was pretty good. It was helped by a minimum of rewrites. Lena Headey is acting the hell out of Cersei, the dude playing Qyburn is just perfect, etc. Ollie is transparent as hell to me, though I've read the books so I know how this rewrite is going. Harrington is doing a really good job as Jon Snow now that he's allowed to express more range than "angsty teenager". And Arya is finally doing stuff! It only took 3 episodes longer than it should haveā€¦
     
  33. Stringer Bell

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    Solid episode but not nearly as good as Blackwater IMO

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  34. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Blackwater is my favorite episode of the show. Followed by Red Viper vs. The Mountain. I miss Oberyn. I don't think any character's death has pissed me off more. Anyway... I have to disagree that it was "not nearly" as good. The top 5 episodes of this show are very close to one another, and Hardhome is definitely top 5.
     
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  35. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    [video=youtube;l7VuGknEfQY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7VuGknEfQY[/video]

    I talked about the House of the Undying earlier, as I mentioned the Warlocks stealing Dany's dragons because magic had returned during their birth... I watched that scene again and to my surprise... Check out the Throne room. Completely covered in snow and ice, with the roof all smashed up. Dany walks out the door when she hears a noise, and it appears the vision/dream/whatever leads out to behind the wall. Foreshadowing perhaps? She doesn't get to Westeroes in time to even fight the other Kings for the Iron Throne, but arrives to fight the WW?
     
  36. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    That battle was one of the coolest things I've ever seen on a TV show. Not even trying to pay attention to what did or didn't happen in the books anymore. I just remember the 4th and 5th books were pretty boring, so I'm enjoying the ride.
     
  37. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I never thought of them as boring. A lot of really interesting things happen. I always saw the problem as GRRM was spreading everyone out too far. For example, early on if we visited King's Landing, we saw interactions between major players. Ned Stark, Robert, Cersei, Littlefinger, Vary's, Jaime etc...Then later, Cersei, Tyrion, Vary's, Littlefinger, Sansa, Joffery. And after that, Tywin, Cersei, Tyrion, Joffery, Sansa, Vary's, Littlefinger, Tyrells, etc...

    All the character plots had butterfly effects with each other and it was exciting every week. Serve and volley. Now, when progression of the story takes place, it feels "slow" or incomplete because we get bounced around from character to character, who are in Mareen, Tyrion traveling in Essos, Dorne, KL, Winterfell, The Wall, Behind the Wall, Stannis somewhere in the North, Bravos, etc... It's a lot. Thankfully, D&D decided to get to the point. Maybe some changes people don't particularly like, but I don't think the alternative is better. It needed to be this way. GRRM wrote too much filler to allow for the characters to age and mature. And where AFFC and ADWD should of been winding down to the end game, it only created more plots, subplots, etc... to deal with.

    Hardhome is a significant episode in a number of ways. Mainly, D&D are doing their best to get to the point. Right now, we're at the stage where book knowledge matters very little. Which is a good thing. I'm excited to see how D&D wrap it all up, and I'll be equally excited to see how Martin does the same. They're sure to be similar, but different. Which will make both mediums a surprise.
     
  38. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Found this online... Kind of funny how much GoT has changed from Martin's original vision...

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    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Is it Sunday night yet????
     
  40. Stringer Bell

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    The problem I had with it was I never doubted the outcome. They didn't do a good job setting it up IMO. I knew Jon Snow was going to make it out of there. Blackwater on the other hand was very tense and more dramatic.

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