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Is our weakest link the head coach?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dorfdad, Jun 3, 2015.

  1. Dorfdad

    Dorfdad Well-Known Member

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    After a disappointing late season collapse and seemingly endless discussion on the fate of our organizational structure last year culminating with the resigning of Coach Philbin, and very little coaching changes. I have come to the conclusion that even after what I consider to be one of the best drafts in the last 10 years "on paper" and the addition by subtraction of personal and an aggressive free agent period that we still have something holding us back. That roadblock I believe is Coach Philbin.

    Let me start with saying I was all for Philbin - he was my choice for headcoach at the time. He was part of a team that had consistently good offensive players, and schemes that fit the personal. Sadly it seems Philbin wasn't the COG that made that wheel turn it seems. I get that Philbin wasnt the only one designing the offensive schemes here but he had a hand in it, and had to sign off on it. But it's not even the scheme so much as I feel Philbin while a very detail oriented coach and talker is consistently out coached on game days.

    Not one winning season under his belt, His basic clock management is awful culminating in multiple situations that cost us games (cough green bay), He doesn't fire up the team, and his in game adjustment to me are pretty underwhelming, and if last year was any indication of his pregame pep talks we consistently came out slow under Philbin. Again these are all my opinions. IM no coach just a fan who lives and dies by the team during the season.

    I really like the off-season moves, but im not confident in the head coach of this team being to outcoach our division rivals at all. I know it's not even preseason but this is Philbins 4th year and i don't see any improvement in his game and that scares me. We have enough talent to win some games even with bad coaching, but if we wan't to get invited to the playoffs were going to need better coaching.

    Do you feel my fear is warranted, or do you think we can actually win with Philbin as our head-coach?
     
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  2. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Throughout this offseason I keep getting excited about the moves made. The players added through free agency, and the draft class. This roster looks pretty damn impressive on paper. I find myself feeling optimistic. And then I remember it's still Philbin at head coach.

    I haven't completely written him off. Maybe this is his year. Maybe Ross will be rewarded for his patience in the man.

    But I can't help but feel a little bit of air come out of my balloon every time I remember this team still has the same coaching staff that allowed last season's collapse to happen. It just doesn't seem right to change so much about this team from the players to the front office, but leave the coaching staff in place. It's like completely overhauling a car, but leaving the old engine in it. Because there's no way that was part of the problem. / sarcasm

    If Philbin gets lucky and all key players stay healthy he just might be able to coach this team to the playoffs. Any adversity whatsoever, I think things could go south really quick.

    The good news: At the end of this season, Stephen Ross will know everything he should need to know about whether or not Joe Philbin is the guy. He cannot accept anything less than playoffs if he wants to sell any season tickets at all next year.
     
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  3. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Yes, lowest paid unit.

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  4. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    My view since the season ended is that it was going to take two solid drafts and a change at the head coaching position to get this team beyond mediocre.

    With the signing of Suh in free agency and what appears to be the first of the two solid drafts this team needs to start filling some glaring needs. It appears the FO is starting to put the pieces together in an attempt to build a talented team for the future.

    I still see 2016 as the year the team will take the leap into the playoffs and I expect that giant leap to be under a new and hopefully much better HC than Philbin.
     
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  5. cbrad

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    Philbin makes way more than Sturgis.
     
  6. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Weakest link is still at guard until I see otherwise.
     
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  7. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Will the coaches run it enough?
    Will they be aggressive enough when it counts?
    Will they make better in-game adjustments and not just at the half?
    Will they make the changes necessary if there are obvious holes?
    Will they provide enough inspiration to keep the team blazing in the second half of the season, or will they let the fire die?
     
  8. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    No doubt about it.
     
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  9. CashInFist

    CashInFist Well-Known Member

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    This.
     
  10. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I think so.

    I might have too much faith in Todd Bowles, however I believe Philbin is by far the worst head coach in the division.
     
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  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure how anyone can definitively say that coaching has been a major issue during Philbin's tenure. The wins and losses have pretty much reflected the level of talent on the field with the exception of 2012, a 5-6 win team that won 7 games.
     
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  12. LBsFinest

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    You actually thought this was the case in Green Bay?

    Philbin was NEVER qualified to become a head coach.

    THIS is what he did in Green Bay...

     
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  13. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    I honestly believe this team is ready for a good playoff run. It's scary to imagine us being "all in" this season but being led by Philbin. Makes me cringe honestly.
     
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  14. DolphinGreg

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    Hardcore fans seem to hate the guy.

    Then again, being a hardcore fan usually means you are highly opinionated and want to argue about something.

    If you look at this team and you think the head coach is the problem, great, good for you.
     
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  15. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Which is why fans don't make decisions lol.

    90% of coaching happens outside of public view, tbh I think coach evaluation doesn't go much deeper than wins and losses.
     
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  16. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah, but what are you going to do.
     
  17. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    the point you're conveniently ignoring is that he actually formulated the gameplan. that blurb even says so.
     
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  18. RoninFin4

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    Yes. I just don't see any more than 9 wins, despite the talent, with Philbin, and for that matter Coyle, still in place.
     
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  19. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The funny thing seems to be that the most bitter critics are always that same teams fans. For example, outside of Green Bay, everyone just thinks of Aaron Rodgers as awesome and Mike McCarthy as an offensive genius. Talk to a Green Bay fan and Rodgers is great and McCarthy is a total buffoon.



    And people around here want to crown Tannehill the next big-time, franchise guy. They project him as as top-5 guy in some cases. They mention Super Bowl (when the team hasn't made the Play-offs). And you know what's gonna happen? The NFL fans who don't root for Miami are going to love Tannehill over the next few years and Philbin is going to get the credit as this team becomes a Play-off team. And then all the Dolphins fans will cry, ***** and moan when Philbin gets extended again.


    And the beat goes on...


    ...no teams' fans like their head coach.
     
  20. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Um, no he didn't. Don't know what you're reading ....

     
  21. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    That is one of the silliest things I have ever read.
     
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  22. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Blaming the GM was en vouge for a while there. Delmas, Albert, Moreno, Finnegan, all w injury issues, all got injured, all played a significant role in how the season went and yet hardly a whisper about Hickey making bad signings. If what's his name made those same moves w the same results wanna guess who'd have been taking the heat for it?
     
  23. DolphinGreg

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    It's the truth.

    Dolphins fans don't want to hear that they're predictable and that what they have is actually quite the average NFL head coach.

    What they want to believe is that the team is really, really good and that hiring someone new with make the team an instant winner.


    I don't derive my self worth from the Dolphins W/L record. If they suck, they suck. I'm perfectly willing to admit the coach and the QB and rest of the roster are all to blame for the inevitable ending, be it good or bad.

    Some folks seem to want to lay it all on the HC. There's always an anti-HC thread running even when there's no games being played and everyone's given their opinion 1000x.

    90% of you have a bitter hatred for whoever the HC is at the present moment. We get it. Grass is greener. Blah, Blah, Blah...
     
  24. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There have been people pointing this out throughout the year.
     
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    Yes, everyone outside of GB knows McCarthy is a buffoon and most of his supporters are in GB
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    It is not the truth. It is a silly opinion.

    Everyone doesn't think the same way. It isn't, "I like tannehill so I dislike Philbin". That is just plain stupid.

    Thanks for telling me how much better you are than 90% of Dolphin fans.
     
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  27. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do believe Hickey got a pass for not being Ireland.

    If Ireland had an offseason like 2014 a lot more people would be calling for firing him.

    However, Hickey did pretty much accept his demotion.
     
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  28. DolphinGreg

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    Dude...every fan-base hates their HC. Just zoom out for a minute and it's clear. Not only that, it's the most hardcore fans--the ones that think they have more information than others--that come to such ridiculous conclusions.

    What I find stupid is not my view nor your view but the very notion that anyone in such a system could be incapable of seeing how predictable that is. What's dumb is that any person in that system might come to the conclusion that they are unique in their views.

    It's the furthest thing from unique. It's the opposite of originality to have that kind of opinion.

    It's the most over-cited view on the planet.

    Every fan-base winds up being the most critical of it's own people and no surprise most anti-Philbin fans have a view of the HC that can easily be considered a stereotype--thus it's easy for them to blame that weird construction of a person-like entity they have in their heads for everything so easily.

    When you're not arguing reality and you just view the HC as some walking buffoon of a stereotype you can win every time and no one can dissuade you because you aren't in reality anymore.

    What I'm asking is, why would anyone want to be that guy?! That kind of fan is an idiot. If people hate Philbin, at least be original. Have a view that isn't exactly the same as every drunk idiot calling for the HC to be fired from the 5th row of the stands.

    That it's the proudest and more loyal fans that boast about how much they know or how long they've studied the game that seem to come to these views is what's really stupid.


    And then to come back with, 'well, I'm entitled to my opinion.'

    Yeah...and you're free to walk in front of a train. Go after it if you want to. It just doesn't make you or anyone else seem very smart.



    / Jim Rome mode off
     
  29. Fin4Ever

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    Greg always does that..He has a very high opinion of himself..that last post of his was a "ramblin wreck".:up:
     
  30. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Don't confuse a high opinion of oneself with an utter disdain for irrational views which are purely the concoction of a weak mind looking for sympathy.

    Let's see...I'm bored so why not start another anti-HC rant thread...

    ...that isn't going to inevitably ruin the forum or run off those contributors that put thought into what they write?

    Oh, wait, it actually does! Yep, it's brings down the whole thing. Negativity for negativity's sake doesn't create a good vibe.

    Nah...blame me for being mean to people who troll boards like that and for trying to discourage such behavior. Totally makes sense.

    When in 5 years this board is 100% arguments about who sucks more you'll have an inkling of what I was thinking about right now.
     
  31. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Not every fanbase hates their head coach. That is just stupid. Opinions are more diverse than you are giving credit for. It is very stupid to say, "All fans hate their headcoach". That is like saying, "All children hate cheese".

    Also, who cares about originality? That is the dumbest thing to worry about when discussing football.
     
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  32. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    What I find boring are the, "I am smarter than most fans because they disagree with me" rant.
     
  33. cbrad

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    Well.. I happen to know quite a few NE fans over the years, and there's not only not one that doesn't think highly of Belichick, ALL of them think Belichick is not only a great X's and O's coach (I agree) but also great on the personnel side (I disagree). Furthermore, every goddamn one of them defended Belichick throughout all cheating scandals etc..

    It's a small sample size yes, but I don't think HC's of very successful teams tend to get hated (of course there'll be some exception, but it's an exception).
     
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  34. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Compare that with the number of people calling for Philbin's head or saying he did a poor job last year.
     
  35. Unlucky 13

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    I have been opposed to Philbin since he was rumored to be a candidate for the job, and I haven't seen anything to change my mind since.

    I desperately want the team to hire someone who's a proven NFL head coach before next season. It would be a damn shame to waste all of the talent that we have.

    And for the record, I loved both Shula and Jimmy when they were here. I gave Wanny a shot, until he proved he shouldn't be a HC.
     
  36. DolphinGreg

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    Absolutely every fan-base has individuals that hate their HC. Don't twist my point. Not every single person within a fan base has the same view but the harshest critics, are on average, those fans who watch a given individual most closely. This is not a football rule, this is any system. Who's your biggest critic? Your wife? Your girlfriend? Your parents? Your kids? You're going to name someone that knows you more intimately than most other people.

    Go out and talk to enough people and you hear the same things over and over and over and over again.

    Sometimes the sentence ends with Philbin. Sometimes it ends with Mike Smith. Sometimes it ends with Rex Ryan. Sometimes it ends with Marvin Lewis. Sometimes it even ends with Mike McCarthy or Sean Payton. The point is...you collect enough opinion and there's a clear trend.


    I never said you were a jerk. I never said you were dumb. But I do believe it's dumb to do certain things because they don't require much effort. It doesn't require any effort for me to blame everything on the coach, whimsically constructing stories that fit the evidence at my own discretion.

    But fitting the evidence doesn't mean a story is right. I could write an infinite number of stories that fit the evidence.

    People see Philbin as a stereotype. It's clear to me (and others) by the phrases they use and the tone of their posts. I can only conclude that they feel they can get support for such non-sense beliefs online and so they do it to feel better and in some way connected to something. Wonderful for them, I don't care and I it doesn't make me feel all warn inside.

    It's just....Philbin is only one of a long list of things that isn't perfect about the Dolphins. The HC is about average. The QB is about average. The offense and defense as a whole are about average.


    Yet, as with every fan base, a ton of people here love to jump on the HC because it's easy. Maybe unoriginal isn't the best word to describe that action, devoid of effort as it is. Maybe lazy is a better word.


    When most people do the same thing as you, you're either doing the common sense thing or you're doing the lazy thing. Here, I would say the lack of work that goes into these beliefs indicates the latter. The irony is that once again I'm defending a guy's image who I don't even care that much about. Jesus Christ...how is being neutral on Philbin such a remarkable view in this forum? Good God. And to think there are people on the internet who actually quite like the guy and his stance on things?! Lord knows what would've happened if I presented myself like that.
     
  37. Bpk

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    I wanted Philbin, but mainly because Boom seemed high on him.

    It's sort of like starting out with high hopes on a fix-up date, then gradually getting to know the person until you realize you don't really like them at all. lol.
     
  38. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    no Coyle is the weakest link, Philbin is the next weakest link
     
  39. Bpk

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    [video=youtube;FI6gZxLnwdw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI6gZxLnwdw[/video]
     
  40. cbrad

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    Greg, I think you vastly underestimate how many of us that think Philbin is a problem think that way because we can identify problems. It's just like many here agree OG is a problem. That's not because it's the easy road to take; it's because we actually see a problem.

    Just start with game management. How does one not see Philbin's game management as an issue that needs fixing? Or the inability to find the right role for some players. Or the fact that while Philbin seems to be good at making halftime adjustments, we tend to be behind early in games more often than not and it was true even for games we won (I showed those calculations for the past 3 seasons in a thread months ago). This means his game plans coming into the game are not up to par.

    Point is, there are many valid reasons for placing blame on Philbin, and many in the rest of the NFL don't have a high opinion of him either (it's not just us).
     
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