That's all well and good, but it doesn't change the end result, that for passes going 40+yards, by whatever way, the best in the league only had 15 of them. Now, it may lower Tannehill's number, I don't know. Regardless, whether it's 40+ in the air, or a 2 yard dump off going for 40+ yards, they are completed by the best, at a rate of less than 1 per game.
Wilson didn't face anywhere near as much pressure. First he was in a run based offense so the D played run first most of the time. Seattle also ran more zone-read which makes the D hesitate. When Wilson did face pressure it was rarely from two areas. When he did get pressure from two areas Wilson usually turtled like most QBs. As for the YPA, Tannehill's was just above 7.3 after those first three games. I'd be fine with that going forward. Like everything else that's at least (or maybe slightly above) the league average. It went down at the end when the OL was in shambles, but that's to be expected. Far and away the biggest key to QB success is protection. Even an average QB can look like a superstar with great protection. Tannehill has been average to better than average with some of the worst protection I have ever seen.
Its too bad PFF didn't provide all of the info instead of just their stupid Pff "stat" in 2014 like they did in 2013 but in 2013 this is how Tannehill did at depth (ball in the air) using passer rating: 1-10 yards average- 90 Tannehill- 93.9 11-20 yards average- 91.1 Tannehill- 79.6 21-30 yards average- 75.8 Tannehill- 39.0 30+ average- 91.3 Tannehill- 52.7
This forum is like a merry-go-round. The same stuff gets thrown around, over and over, no matter how many times it's addressed or disproven. Wins are a team stat. You know, offense (including oline, running backs, tight ends, and receivers), defense, special teams, and coaching all play a big part in wins. But good to know there's still people who believe that Tannehill is playing at all these various positions.
Is there any QB stat that isn't a "team" stat? Basically, a "QB stat" is just a stat that includes the effect of the QB. By how much is another issue, but you can't dismiss a stat just because others contributed to it.
Yeah yeah. If everything is a team stat then why do you guys bother talking stats at all? Why not just stick with your eye test stuff?
I know. I don't usually respond to those posts. Three years of stats are posted but people will go with a small, one year sample b/c it fits their narrative. And posting team stats to prove individual performance is as ignorant as claiming that Brad Johnson must be better than Marino b/c Johnson has a better SB record. I'll probably just drop out of this thread again as all these old arguments that have already been dis-proven just get recycled.
Last year according to you passer rating was a team stat and we had all the same debates. Now that Tannehill is slightly above average in passer rating its widely accepted to be a QB measure. Funny how predictable that was.
And after the first 8 it was down again. Anyone can cherry pick. In his last 8 games, he only had one game above 7.1. As for Wilson and pressure: From the PFF thread. Last year was the same in 2013.
So Brad Johnson was like the Chad Henne of the late 90's? I honestly don't remember his game but statistically he was pretty decent. He commanded the 6th ranked passing attack his best season and had two receivers ranked in the top 14. Thats pretty good QB'ing for the year. He did appear to be inconsistent though. Probably grades out to be pretty similar to an Eli Manning.
I don't get it. It's OK to defend Tannehill against overblown criticisms such as with the deep ball. But why do people have to do that by putting out blatant misrepresentations about Russell Wilson? Some day people will just accept that Ryan Tannehill is a pretty good quarterback and that they don't have to justify that assessment by pretending Russell Wilson is overrated. On that day, they'll stop being wrong.
If the stat changes when the player isn't on the field, it's a team stat. I think you guys are being purposefully obtuse on this. Wins and loses are whole team (including coaches) stats.
I agree that if the stat changes when the player isn't on the field it's a team stat. That's a sufficient condition but certainly not a necessary one. Would you say that a running back's stats like average rushing yards are purely individual stats? You seem to be implying that (they don't change when the RB is not on the field), but it's clearly not true because it depends on the OL among other things. No, anything whose outcome depends on two or more players of the same team is a team stat, and there is no QB stat I know of that isn't a team stat.
I think it's a fair point to be honest. When someone says that wins are a team stat, it's a fair counterpoint to say well so is a QB rating. The components of a QB rating involve catches that were not made by players other than the quarterback, interceptions executed (or not executed) by defensive backs, touchdowns scored by receiving targets, etc. That's not being obtuse. That's raising a perfectly valid point. The argument is over the degree to which a quarterback's skill dictates the variance in the QB rating versus the degree to which a quarterback's skill dictates the variance in the win record. And while I would say that there are different degrees, they're not on different planets.
Shades of grey my man, shades of grey. How much any single stat is dependent on teamwork vs individual effort in football is a sliding scale. This isn't baseball. Wins and losses are very much on the team side of the scale though. Completions with drops factored in is more on the QB side. This is why it's so much fun to talk football.
Yeah, no quarrel with that. I was just responding to the more black or white statement about dismissing a stat just because it depends on what the team does.
Passer rating is not purely a QB stat. It's thrown around a lot now because it's another area that improved last year, but I do like how you tried to minimize his rating. In some ways, the roles have reversed now, haven't they? Someone who was using rating last year to bag on Tannehill will now switch to the "it takes two" argument. However, I don't think rating is in the same ballpark as win record, s far as team stats go.
LOL. Thats a very LBFinest type of response. Having read and enjoyed many of your posts I know for a fact you're better than that. Anything else you wanna add to the above? Or are you seriously saying that Wilson is superior in every facet of QB play?
Its really not a big deal to me, I just think his deep ball game needs to improve..whats the biggie?...moving on... see, there nothing really to argue when we put it into the right context, now if someone wants to debate on ryan when throwing passes that travel 35 yards and over in the air, then its a different skill then throwing 20 yards darts.
I appreciate the compliment .. sort of I'm seriously trying to think one thing Tannehill is clearly superior at. Pocket presence, accuracy, evading pressure, running, touch, efficiency, production. What can you definitely point to, and say Tannehill is better than Wilson at. I'm not even getting at the deep ball. Just objectively, what is better?
Good thing is, Tanny's pretty good at those darts to a spot. Hitches, comebacks, no? Last year, Still's most frequent route was the hitch.
I'd say Tannehill has the edge in arm strength, accuracy, reading / anticipating coverages, going through progessions. RT does better w making the "routine" play, 5 steps, see its quarters, find his target and make the throw in rythym. On a pass first team I'm taking him all day. Wilson is an unconvential guy, and I think that's why there's so much variance in people's opinions on him. He's much better at improvising, turning negative plays into positive ones. He forces defenders to be cautious in their rush lanes, man coverage is very risky, he's smart, protects the ball well, on a run the ball play defense team he's my choice by a wide margin. The tipper for me is that Imo RT would do fine throwing 25 times per game, handing off, making a few plays here and there. I'm not at all sure that RW could be successful on a team that asked him to drop back 35/40 times on a regular basis, w no run game to keep defenses honest and no defense to keep him in games when he's not playing well.
You don't say. I can't believe we are going to go into the season with the same problem 4 years in a row with the Head Coach being a career offensive line coach. Surely Coach Philbin has jumped up and down to put in his guys, ones that keep their mouths shut and just play. Those are the best ones to have.
Look. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. Although it makes for a lively discussion here, this wont be settled til this season comes around. If Tannehill starts connecting on longer passes we can look back and say there was a problem between him and Wallace chemistry wise. If there is no improvement with the new group the narrative can continue and we can just keep saying that Tannehill doesn't through a good deep ball. We will see which it is in a couple of months. I am betting on Tannehill and the new group of guys.
real good..dude throws darts...but with anyone who has a trajectory that is so linear like his is, I think the deep ball might be his own kryptonite, and thats because he tries to change his motion, trajectory, and mentality, when he should just let it rip..
I'll give him arm strength, but that isn't important in my eyes. Or else Jeff George would be a HOF. Arm strength is an asset deep, and we all know about that ... even if you accept he's just average. Accuracy I ain't buying it. Tannehill was 58-60% through 2 years until Lazor shortened the field after week 3. It's easy to throw 66% accuracy when your bread and butter is a 4 yard pass to Landry. Tanny had one of the lowest air yards per attempt in the league, I don't think last but pretty close to it. What would Tanny's accuracy be if they his attempts weren't so close to the LOS? Keep it at 65% while hitting 7.5-8.0 ypa and then we'll be cooking. The thing about Tanny vs. Wilson if you look at their ratings, Tannehill gets worse as his throws pile up. Last year Wilson's numbers improved the more he threw. Throws 21-30 he had 102 rating. Tanny's got worse when you went to 21-30 and much worse 31+ (Wilson's 31+ attempts are too low to be statistically relevant). Accuracy is in the 70s from throws 1-20, and drops to 62 and then 57% for 21-30 and 31-40. Ryan's 4th quarter numbers are also lower, and was abysmal in 2013, and was just meh (80) in 2014. When losing or winning, Wilson's numbers are similar. Tanny when winning is good, when losing his rating drops down 16 points to 83. His numbers when trailing is 13 TDs, 10 INts 6.3 YPA. Wilson was much more consistent. Nothing I see, tells me Tanny is better when you gotta pass 31+ per game. In fact, the numbers say, he should NOT be passing that much. He really should be passing 30 times a game and a run/pass balance should be achieved. Look at Tony Romo. Romo threw less times than Wilson. He also had his best year ever success wise. Instead of saying I'd take Tannehill in a pass first offense because he needs to throw it 40 times, we should be yelling at Philbin to balance the offense since he seems very averse to doing so. Tanny gets worse the more he threw last year. He gets worse in the 4th quarter. Wilson's overall performance and ratings are solid when he throws a lot. There is no evidence he "Breaks Down" when they ask him to throw alot.This past year he was asked to throw more than the year before and all games with over 30 attempts were solid except 1. If Ryan's ypa wasn't 6.9 he wouldn't have to throw it that much either ... LOL jk People doubted Big Ben would be successful if he had to throw it a lot. He was throwing it 15-20 a game, max. Tom Brady same thing. People made the same mistake thinking they wouldn't be as good if you asked them to throw it 35 times a game.
well, guess it just goes to show you how valuable escapability and playmaking is at qb position, cause in your opinion, thats the only trait wilson has over ryan. maybe now you will understand why I have been harping on tannehill for three years to get his *** in gear instead of just playing in a confined pocket..and maybe, get why.
just to show you how important the trait of escapability/playmaker is at the position, when you have the right pieces around that style of qb, id keep an eye out on tyrod taylor in buffalo, theres a reason why I wanted to draft him, he's getting his shot now..
Just bring back Harrington, Lemon, Sage and Henne. Then you all can talk about bad QB play. ?Finally have a long term solution at the position, yet people aren't happy. I'll never understand it.
When Moreno went down I think that skewed our balanced attack numbers. Lamar Miller can't carry that kind of load and I don't think the coaches were comfortable with any other RB on our roster picking up the slack (with good reason). Hopefully, Jay Ajayi can pick up the slack this season.
Tannehill is not close to Wilson, he's not better than Wilson at anything. A more interesting discussion would be Tannehill vs Cam Newton. On NFL Network before Newton got his extension I heard Lindsey say something 'if Tannehill is worth just short of $100 million then you know Newton will get at least a million.' So objective fans see even Newton as being better than Tannehill. These are some of the splits that separate them. Cam is better late in downs, late in games and late in the year. While Tannehill is better in the red zone. [TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD="width: 64"][/TD] [TD="width: 64"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Tannehill[/TD] [TD]Newton[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Down[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]1st[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]86.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]2nd[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]94.5[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]84.2 [/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]3rd[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]72.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]82.1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]4th[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]30.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]105.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Field Position[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 1-10[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]59.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 1-20[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]79[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 21-50[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]73.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]78[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Opp 49-20[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]78.1[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Red Zone[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]98.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]77.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Opp 1-10[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]98.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]70.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Quarter[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]1st Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]83.2[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]93.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]2nd Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]87.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]77.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]3rd Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]80.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]4th Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]75.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.3[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: xl70"]Newton [/TD] [TD="class: xl70, width: 92"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]W[/TD] [TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]L[/TD] [TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"]Month[/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]September[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]9[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]90.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]October[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]5[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]11[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]81.4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]November[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]77.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]December[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]14[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]3[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]94.4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 72"]Tannehill[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 92"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]W[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]L[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"]Month[/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]September[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]77.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]October[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]86.3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]November[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]87[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]December[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]8[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]85.7[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] In before 'except for the red zone those are all team stats....'
Tannehill is not close to Wilson, he's not better than Wilson at anything. Hell, even Luck is playing second fiddle to Wilson at almost everything right now. A more interesting discussion would be Tannehill vs Cam Newton. On NFL Network before Newton got his extension I heard Lindsey say something 'if Tannehill is worth just short of $100 million then you know Newton will get at least a hundred.' So objective fans see even Newton as being better than Tannehill. These are some of the splits that separate them. Cam is better late in downs, late in games and late in the year. While Tannehill is better in the red zone. [TABLE] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD]Tannehill[/TD] [TD]Newton[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Down[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]1st[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]86.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]2nd[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]94.5[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]84.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]3rd[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]72.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]82.1[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]4th[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]30.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]105.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Field Position[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 1-10[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]59.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.8[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 1-20[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]79[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Own 21-50[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]73.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]78[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Opp 49-20[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]78.1[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]85[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Red Zone[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]98.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]77.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]Opp 1-10[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]98.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]70.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68, width: 87"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"]Quarter[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]1st Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]83.2[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]93.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]2nd Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]87.3[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]77.9[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]3rd Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]80.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 64"][/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 87"]4th Qtr[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]75.6[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]91.3[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TD="class: xl70"]Newton[/TD] [TD="class: xl70"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl71"]W[/TD] [TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]L[/TD] [TD="class: xl71, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"]Month[/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]September[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]9[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]90.2[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]October[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]5[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]11[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]81.4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]November[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]77.5[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]December[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]14[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]3[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]94.4[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][/TD] [TD][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [TD="class: xl68"][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl69, width: 72"]Tannehill[/TD] [TD="class: xl69, width: 92"]Value[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]W[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]L[/TD] [TD="class: xl67, width: 64"]Rate[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"]Month[/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]September[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]77.7[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]October[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]6[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]86.3[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]November[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]4[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]87[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD="class: xl65, width: 72"][/TD] [TD="class: xl65, width: 92"]December[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]7[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]8[/TD] [TD="class: xl66, width: 64"]85.7[/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] In before 'except for the red zone those are all team stats....'
Thank you for this breakdown, very interesting. One thing to point out though is that these are career numbers, Cam has been less productive each year whereas Ryan has increased his production significantly each year. You can't ignore their current career trends. I do agree that now is not the time to compare Tannehill to Wilson though, Wilson has absolutely outplayed Tannehill at this point in their careers regardless of whether Tannehill has been asked to do more.
Roy, honest question, do you not believe that the oline factors into plays deep in our own territory, or late in games? Do you believe that the inability to run the ball was a factor in limiting the offense when we were pushed up against our own endzone, or late in games? Do you believe that the inability to run the ball when necessary allowed teams to really tee off on Tannehill late in games? Like, nothing happens in a vacuum. It's all well and good to say that X player is bad in X quarter or down, but if you don't actually look at what happening, then it doesn't tell you anything.
I've heard that Tannehill is the only QB who had weak OLine play. He's also the only QB defenses tee off on.
