Peter King with a quote that I 100 percent agree with.

I agree as well. That last sentence is going to raise some eyebrows, but glad Tannehill is getting some positive press.

 

Hmm, thing is Newton has been to the playoffs

Better question is would you trade Tannehill straight up for Newton?

 

No. Tanny is trending up and I think will continue to improve. Plus I can't stand all Cam's whining and crying. Sack up and take the good w/ the bad like a man.

 

Good to see a prominant national writer giving RT props. I've always liked Ryan's game a lot more than Newton's. I don't think that Newton will ever get a whole lot better than he is, and that he's not likely to age well with the manner than he plays. Ryan, on the other hand, assuming he gets average protection from his OL, should keep getting better.

 

If you would honestly take Cam over Tannehill straight up, you're in a minority:

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...eration-rankings-how-screwed-is-your-nfl-team

http://nfl-teams.pointafter.com/sto...arterbacks-after-super-bowl#19-Ryan-Tannehill

http://espn.go.com/nfl/qbr

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

http://fansided.com/2014/12/24/nfl-qb-power-rankings-ranking-week-17-starters/5/

 

Is that real or media perception? Any examples?

 

Been to the playoffs? With a sub-500 record one year, and the #2 defense (and #26 offense) in the league the other?

Those teams drug his *** to the playoffs.

If their record last year was a realistic, viable record to make the playoffs consistently, we'd have been there at least the last 2 years.

 

If they were in the AFC East, their 2013 record would have been much worse (though maybe still making the playoffs as a Wild Card because of their defense). Last season they certainly would not have made the playoffs. The NFC South has been pretty bad the last couple of seasons.

 

Newton had one down year after 3 years of trending up. IT's not like he's gotten worse every year not sure where that narrative is. Newton's accuracy has never been something I liked. But in 2013 he had a 88 rating, 24/13 line, 61.7% accuracy. Not a terrible year. I'm not arguing for Newton over Tannehill, but he wasn't getting worse every year.

 

No.

 

Sure, if you call 2 point increments in passer rating each year, 1% improvement in completion percentage from year 1 to year 3, and a steady decline in passing yards all three years "trending up".

 

I don't have any specifics, just seeing him get interviewed after games and being mopey, imo "whining" about teammates, generally being negative. In contrast, I believe Tanny has had legitimate cause to complain, throw teammates under the bus, etc and to my knowledge he has never even hinted at it. In that regard, total class.

On the other hand, Cam can be pretty charismatic too.

 

The narrative has never been that he has regressed consistently. Mainly that he's stagnated. He came into the NFL, broke the record for passing yards in a rookie season, then has been pretty much the same Cam, i.e. making similar mistakes. Nobody in this thread has implied he regressed year on year since he got in the league.

 

Ya he's definitely an excitable guy...and a dual-threat play-maker...but there's just so much there I dislike, mostly because of his selfish demeanor. RT IS the example of being a stand-up dude on top of being a good QB. I get the sense RT honestly believes he needs to play better to offset other inefficiencies on the O...I don't think his not throwing others under the bus is all lip service.

 

Still an improvement, no? Not a big jump from that 88 to Ryan's 92 last year.

I think if someone fixes Newton he has the ceiling that is really high. But I'm not sure the right people are there to fix him. He needs a QB whisperer. He took a step back last year after they removed his weapons and didn't really give him anyone but Benji

 

If that's your definition of improvement, you must think Tannehill's due for an MVP season.

Newton's passer rating improved just 4 points in his first three seasons, while Tannehill's went up nearly 17 points​, that's a pretty big difference if you ask me.

 

If you have decent protection you take Ryan all day everyday, if you have a crappy OL you gotta go with Cam.

 

I've never gotten the impression that Cam is a selfish football player. I definitely see him as an emotional player, even on the verge of whiny, but I cannot say he is selfish. I think he showed this last year when he was harboring an injury and still played for his team. If he was truly selfish, I don't think he plays hurt because his brand is bigger than the team.

He has gotten noticeably better at reading defenses. His reads are solid. His issues are mechanical, as witnessed by his high throws. But I think he gets better with these in the future.

 

Sanchez improved by 15 points over his first 3 seasons. And Tom Brady showed no improvement. That is a meaningless stat.

 

It's meaningless? I don't think that's accurate. Now if you want to argue about what that meaning actually is, go right ahead. However, a 17 point increase over 3 seasons certainly means something.

 

It means something if you contextualize it. Brady's first three season ratings ranked him 6, 9, and 10. Those ratings were good for the NFL then. Sanchez ranked 28, 27, and 23 in his first three seasons. Brady was a top 10 rated passer while at his best Sanchez ranked 23. Brady sat among the best while Sanchez was consistently in the bottom third.

 

I agree it means that he's trending up, but be honest Cam didn't start with nearly as bad of a QB rating to have a large increase from. Having said that yes Tannehill all day everyday over Cam.

 

Well..I am in the minority then..Cam should be awesome with his strength,quickness,and arm...but he is'nt.

 

You wanna reread my post?

 

Sorry CaribPhin, I totally read that the opposite..darn,what is wrong with me? My apologies dude.

 

We are in the playoffs if we played in the NFC South last year, and Tannehill would have his playoffs experience.

 

In the NFC South. Didn't the division winner have 6 wins last year?

 

For anyone bashing Cam, let me point something out. Many of the same problems Tannehill has faced in his career, Cam Newton has also faced. From terrible offensive lines to lack of weapons on the offense. In addition, the Panther's have a terrible cap situation, which makes it that much harder to acquire talent to surround him with. And his 4th year, his offensive line was pathetic. Not only did he play behind a pathetic offensive line, he played with broken vertebrae in back, after a car accident. And his entire WR corps left in FA. Prior to that, three straight seasons of trending upward.


Cam Newton's first four seasons in the NFL as a passer rank among the best all-time. Of all QB's in NfL history, Newton ranks..

- 9th with 1,144 completions
- 9th with 1,923 attempts
- 13th with a 59.49 completion percentage
- 6th with 14,426 passing yards
- 9th with 82 passing touchdowns
- Tied for 9th-fewest with 54 interceptions
- 7th with a QB rating of 85.4
- 4th in times sacked with 152

That's not to shabby... And that doesn't even include the rushing statistics, for which he out ranks EVERYONE. In terms of total TD's, Newton ranks second to only Marino in his first four years. Cam is still young and isn't a finished product. If Carolina ever decides to surround him with talent, as Indy has with Andrew Luck, watch out.

Sorry, but if I had to choose between Cam Newton and Ryan Tannehill, I'd take Cam Newton. And I'm speaking as a fan of Ryan Tannehill. Cam + Lazor = holy ****.

 

I think they are both pretty good QB's that both have obvious flaws they need to work on.

EDIT: But, I wouldn't trade RT17 for Cam. No way.

 

Tannehill is on track to beat most of Cam's stats in this, his 4th year.

Only needs 116 completions.
Only needs 340 attempts.
Keep his completion percentage at his average.
Only 3175 passing yards.
Only 20 passing TDs.
Keep to 11 Ints or less.
Keep his QB rating where it was this year...

The only place Cam may do better after 4 years is sacks and rushing, honestly.

RT every day, IMO.

 

Especially if it shows Tannehill in a good light. We Dolphin fans, cant stomach any stats that show our QB is turning into a solid NFL QB.

 

The Panthers got dragged into the playoffs last season, no matter how hard they were fighting and clawing to miss them. What a god awful division that was last year.

 

At least now we're debating Ryan Tannehill up against someone more relevant in Cam Newton, as opposed to the constant Tannehill vs. Russell Wilson stuff.

That said the one consistent thing I see (or rather don't see) when talking about Cam Newton is any talk about what a threat he is on the ground.

You can talk about his passer ratings and passing efficiency and all that and I get it, but that isn't the whole story with him and it never has been. Since his year at Auburn, in addition to being a guy that can scramble for yardage and first downs (which is damn valuable), he's also been a guy that can straight up function within the team's ground game. Dismiss it all you like, but when Sunday rolls around and you're game-planning against the Carolina Panthers, you can't dismiss it because it hurts you as a defense.

As a scrambler he's been as good as anyone out there, including Russell Wilson. We are talking over four seasons 153 scrambles for 1,220 yards and 5 touchdowns. What's most incredible about those scrambles are the 30 missed tackles he created on them and the fact that half (649) of the yards are after contact. So it's a pass play and you think you've got the guy down but because he's so big and strong and athletic, he burns you for a 1st down. That *hurts* if you're a defense. The ability affects everything you do.

Then you take that aside and you look at what he has done as a pure BALL CARRIER. Forget scrambles. They've had injuries to DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart year after year and it hasn't mattered much because Cam Newton has flat out carried the football 252 times for 1,352 yards (5.4 YPC) and 28 touchdowns. And again, it's the yards after contact and the missed tackles that really get you as 520 yards came after contact and he created 25 more missed tackles.

They have an "elusiveness" rating on PFF that is basically your missed tackles per attempt multiplied by your yards after contact per attempt. Cam Newton's elusiveness rating would rate in the top 40% of qualifying runningbacks over the four years in question (2011 to 2014). That's absolutely incredible.

People tend to get all stuck up about the run production as if it doesn't count, but I've got news for you. Every single one of those 33 touchdowns counted on the scoreboard. They didn't adjust the scoreboard at the end of the game to ferret out Cam Newton's running touchdowns. They didn't take away 1st downs he gained on the ground scrambling, or award sacks to the defense after he broke the would-be tackle and ran for yardage.

What you've got is a guy that has scored 115 touchdowns in four years with the Panthers and accounted for only 65 turnovers. That's pretty incredible. Especially considering the lack of weapons around him. Tannehill's accounted for 67 touchdowns and 53 turnovers over the last three years, as a comparison.

I'm not trying to touch the Tannehill vs. Newton debates because people are going to get hurt feelings about it I think. I'm just saying you need to account for the total package with Newton, or else look foolish.

 

I think this is worth reiterating.

Over his first four years Cam Newton has accounted for 115 touchdowns and only 65 turnovers (1.77x)...while Ryan Tannehill over his first three years has accounted for 67 touchdowns and 54 turnovers (1.26x).

That's the reason Newton got paid so much more.

 

Newton has the wow factor, but you can't rely on him to consistently make the bread and butter throws. Tannehill is more a bread and butter guy, but one that keeps steadily improving. I'd take Tannehill over Newton straight up right now because it's easier to plan around him, and also take him for the future because I think his ceiling is higher.

 

I'm just not even sure what that means, this idea that one guy has a "wow" factor but can't be trusted on "bread and butter" throws.

Where does the rubber meet the road on that? Can you explain in better detail what that means from a football standpoint?