Sports Buzz Sunday June 14

Classy of Mike to just say he likes Zimmer w/out throwing Joe under the bus. I guess I'm a little surprised.

 

DeAndre Coleman finished last season actually on the 53 man roster. Everyone disregards the guy. He is still in the mix.

 

he looked poor when he got a few reps..

so we usually keep 5 dtackles..?

 

reserved..rah rah...whatever, just don't call timeout when your at home, at the end of the game, when your in the lead, when your on defense, when its the last drive for the opponent, when you just sacked them for a huge loss on third down, making it 4th and long, and your entire crowd is now on their feet screaming to close the game..ok didpsh^%, otherwise just be yourself.

 

Eh, I didn't see him saying it but, based on the text, he got very close to crossing the line and directly badmouthing Philbin. He basically heaped praise on Zimmer and Tomlin and didn't say anything good about Philbin... that's about as close as you can get to criticizing without being brash.

 

Have you ever considered that there was a good reason to call that timeout and you just aren't aware of it? Do you actually believe that someone could work their way up the NFL ranks as an assistant coach, all the way to being hired as an NFL head coach, without understanding how a basic thing like timeouts work?

I mean... all the plays that we did not make on defense to stop the Packers from scoring on that drive, and yet the one thing people harp on from that game is a timeout. I just have to laugh when I read stuff like that.

 

Was at the GreenBay game, and DJ is correct about that particular instance. Or is that instances?

 

The more I hear Mike Wallace speak the more I think he's a totally reasonable guy who just didn't fit with Philbin's personality nor the QB Miami currently has.

I credit Wallace with being honest and being fair in his views. He really doesn't seem like that bad a guy.

 

I can't remember specifics, but I know there were a couple of defensive TO's called when the guys were absolutely gassed. Our D has spent a lot of time on the field. Need to remedy that through better D and better O. Some better ST pinning teams deeper would be a big 10-4 as well.

 

we completely disagree larry, as you know the game comes down to a couple plays here and there, maybe even one, when you are in position to close a game, at home, with all those variables i listed in our favor, especially the 4th down and long,previous plays outcome, crowd on their feet part, you let it play out..

lets call it what it was, a dumb call..doesn't mean he cant learn from the mistake.

 

those are very rare opps when you have a miami home crowd at its apex and looking for blood..

lets reminisce shall we..

the miami dolphins are hosting the favorite and Super Bowl contender green bay packers with current mvp qb aaron rogers, we battled the whole game and now find ourselves in the lead at the end of the game with one drive left, its 3rd and long, the fans are in a frenzy, cam wake rips off the edge,sacks the mvp who flails in the air losing the ball, we smell blood, now whatever fans were sitting on their *** are now standing, the whole crowd in unison, omg, its 4th and 14, its the loudest its been in the stadium all year without question, aaaaaand timeout??? huh, what...what had happened, who..where...why..

the only excuse is that cam wake signaled the sideline to call timeout.

 

You'd think Mike Wallace would have jived more with a reserved guy, considering he reserved himself from playing that last game of the season.

 

That was my take as well. My first thought when the team called time-out was actually, 'good, the defense looks completely gassed and unless they get lucky, they're probably about to get exposed.'

I think how they lined up after the time-out is what's more important and that was Coyle's responsibility, not Philbin's. Phillip Wheeler was covering Quarles and wasn't all that tight in his coverage to begin with. It's was really an easy play for Green Bay not only because of the match-up but how Wheeler played it as well.

That's how I saw it anyway.

 

Ya that was a good move on his part. He's at a new place, doesn't want to come across as a diva cry-baby right off...save that for a few games of low production.

 

No, I will not call it that. You want to, that's fine. That's your opinion. I don't agree. I wasn't on the sidelines, so I don't know what the team (not just Joe Philbin) was thinking in that situation. I don't know if Coyle wanted to switch to different personnel, give his guys guys a rest, or whatever... and, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that no one else here knows for sure, either.

 

for our sake lets hope someone on defense wanted timeout.

odds are your wrong larry, theres only that one scenario that could justify it, no other strategic timeout overides the amount of rhythm, crowd energy, and positive variables that was on our side... 99 out of 100 times...

we also have the result to look at btw..so saying it was the wrong move proved to be correct.

 

Cautious coach Joe

 

Well, go ahead and laugh if it makes you feel better........, but, at that point and time of the game the timeout was way out of line...D just wrecked the previous play and all of our fans up and screaming, the adrenaline flowing in the players and fans,tick,tock,tick,tock....Rodgers is desperate and not sure what to do..........bam, T.O. your former OC,Philbin to the rescue to help you out...it killed the adrenaline of the players and the fans, and at that instant....Game Over......Should not even be questionable imvho.

 

I guess Larry doesn't think about that momentum adrenaline stuff combined with a 4th down and long situation..

I know he's saying we don't really know so we shouldn't criticize, and to that I would say, there is no legitimate reason except if one of the players on the field signaled for it..thats it, so I'm not sure the reason for his hard stance, strategy gets overruled against all those positive variables, you ride with your defense and crowd..and your fourth and 14..

 

Obviously hindsight is 20-20 but that timeout gave them time to regroup, breathe, and think more clearly. An analogy to the situation would be a boxing match where you're throwing the punches and have your guy on the ropes... all of a sudden you stop punching and retreat just because you're very tired and don't really know what to do next. It's simple, just keep punching until the bell rings!

 

didng....ding...ding...we have a winner...

some want to say that it may of been a strategic scenario to call the timeout, for which I will say, still dumb considering all variables...lol, you never call timeout in that situation...ive never seen it done either..anywhere, not on a home field, not in a long down and distance situation, not on fourth down, not when you just crushed the qb on the previous play..not when your fans are in a frenzy...

but we did, and you know what happened, the whole crowd let out all their energy..you don't play freakin games with your team when their ready to kill...you freakin attack..

result of calling the timeout...conversion by opponent in a 4 and long situation in our building..

 

Only a good analogy if it's the final round; otherwise you might punch yourself out and not do well in later rounds. But 4th and long near the end of the game is basically what you're describing, so yeah I agree the TO wasn't a good idea (I mean, even if our players are spent, they were doing well in the plays right before that, so why break what's not broken?!).

 

Simple. Queasy was unsure of his team's preparation for the 2 minute drill. He didn't trust they would know what to do in that situation. So it was lack of preparation, or terrible performance during the preparation.

Contrast that to the insane decision by Belichick not to call a time out on that last drive in the Super Bowl. Everyone in the world was wondering why he wasn't calling a time out. He basically decided, my defense is going to stop them or we'll lose. So what happens? Butler recognizes a play that he was torched on in practice that week and nails it. Philbin, for whatever reason, did not have that confidence.

 

I guess not..lol

 

I think BB didn't call a timeout intentionally as well, but I think it was to put pressure on the Seachickens' Offense. The dude just has a knack. I'm sure he knew how below-average BeastMode was on short yardage situations, and was confident his guys could stop the run regardless, and made Seattle prove it or lose it...the resulting play call I think surprised him as well as everybody else in the world, even surprised the refs so much they missed the 2 obvious PIs on that play, but it is what it is.

 

Do you have stats to back up this claim?

 

Don't have 'em handy, but I recall that being the conversation right after the SB...that he wasn't very efficient on obvious short yardage situations. Also, that play the DID call was, at the time, very safe in that it hadn't been intercepted ALL season (short throw from inside the 3'ish), until that one.

Edit: Found a stat...3rd and 3-7 to go he averages just over 2 ypc (with a small sample size), and his 2 4th down carries both resulted in 0 yards...maybe that was the basis of the conversation.

But on 2nd down and 3-7 to go, he averages 5.5 ypc, however, a chunk of that's not normally an obvious running play outside deep in the red zone.

Edit 2: In 81 carries inside the red zone, average 2.4 a carry. And one stat I found interesting, not sure what it means/doesn't mean, but he was 6.5 YPC when there was < 3 DL motioning, rather pedestrian with all other formations/motion.

 

I say I don't know why the timeout was called, so I'm going to reserve judgement. But, apparently I'm wrong. Interesting.

 

I think Fields will be back in form this year.....Sturgis ? I'm queasy.

 

Or, the defense was gassed. No, can't be that. There's never been a tired defense at the end of game playing Aaron Rodgers. No, that's crazy.

sigh.

 

Greg, I Think that you are talking about 2 different time-outs..the Quarless score was after the second timeout.

 

Just Fields being back in form would make a massive difference, I agree.

We also signed some guys who also double as good special teamers, so there's that too.

I don't hold a lot of hope for Sturgis finishing the season without pulling/re-pulling something. I REALLY hope he does, just not confident.

 

Nor am I

 

Not a fan, and keep in ST's is where talent shines, Michael Thomas was a standout on the unit.

From my pov, Sturgis is such a net negative, adding Paysinger should help the unit

ST literally can win 4 games a yr, can lose around 2 games a year.

Unless the offense is just that high powered

 

As for Philbin calling time out:

I thought it was the right move, keep in mind Defenders..wear out..pinning their ears back down after down, now Cortland Finnegan really really screwed the pooch in GB, it was not a product of a timeout, he simply blew his assignment..a Vet literally did not know WTH he was doing

 

Lol, I said odds are Larry..don't be mad at me, I'm just making the point that you and the staff don't have a leg to stand on..

 

Oh yeah Pod, well, you and Larry can go fly a kite together.