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The Biggest 'What If'

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Jun 19, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If so Id like to hear them speak up and give good reason...
     
  2. LBsFinest

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    He was never going to sit out the year, as per his own agent, sorry you bought his empty threats.
     
  3. LBsFinest

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    If it was up to me Orlando Franklin and La'el Collins would be blocking for Melvin Gordon and Lamar Miller, that's a dominant rushing attack to ride all the way to playoffs and a very, very good to great offensive line with depth and versatility to protect Tannehill. Those moves were pretty feasible, and we wouldn't be out here lowballing free agent guards because they're in their mid-30s or banking on raw and completely unproven guys like Dallas Thomas and Billy Turner.

    As the team is currently constructed I don't think any aspect of the offense will truly be great, not the passing game or the pass protection, not the ground game or the run blocking....throw in the schedule and ultimately that's why I have them missing the playoffs.
     
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  4. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    His agent already said that it was a bluff. He was signing w/anyone who took him.
     
  5. magicap

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    If and or buts were candy and nuts. ...........
     
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  6. resnor

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    It may have been a bluff...maybe it wasn't. Had he been drafted, he could have sat out and re-entered the draft. It's good PR to now say it was a bluff, since his not getting drafted backfired on him.
     
  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Dunno, I've just seen people complaining about the contract since it was announced. Not alot of people, mind you, but it's cropped up around here in threads since he signed.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yeah well, whoever thinks he aint worth it better have real good reasoning, and understand our cap situation like a glove..Maybe those few just cannot conceptualize how his game affects other positions positively.
     
  9. cbrad

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    I wanted Franklin too, but I don't know how feasible it really was. He turned down the opportunity for more money from the Jets because of familiarity with his former OC McCoy and his offense.
     
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  10. jdang307

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    Common sense, logic, and his agent's mouth. Sit out a whole year, or just roll with the team that drafted you. What's the difference between the 3rd and 4th round? But you're going to sit out if you get drafted 4th, but not 3rd?

    As for the question in the op, you move James to LT, start Thomas at RT, and get a contract extension. Profit.
     
  11. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Funny how that is exactly how I felt, but somehow I think we're going to be disappointed again...
     
  12. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Nice thoughts, LB but I don't think those moves were 'feasible'...we had a chance, just like any team for either or both. Gordon was never on our radar, except for the fans... As to Collins, he chose to go to Dallas on his own, not because we botched anything. The OL is, once again, a question mark for this team, but that shouldn't be any kind of surprise... Hickey (pre-Tbaum) did just the opposite as most of us suspected...maybe he has some kind of crystal ball about DT and BT...I don't know. This year, Tbaum obviously was running the show and he didn't address the Guard situation either....does he share that crystal ball ?? Dunno... But this org. has NOT done what most of us felt they should have done along the OL...I hope they are right...
     
  13. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    No, see, LBs wanted us to be the ONLY team out of 32 that were told by the NFL to NOT draft Collins...to draft Collins.

    And as for Gordon...since he wasn't picked, the entire draft sucks and the team is doomed to miss the playoffs again because ONE rookie wasn't picked.

    Some people place their opinion of what the team should do way above anything the team does, and can't get over themselves when it doesn't happen.
     
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  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, for real. There's a reason that no team drafted him. It's not that the Dolphins are just run by idiots who don't have any clue that we could have used someone like Collins.
     
  15. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Personally I think Tannehill is a very good QB. The numbers he put up with the offensive line and receivers we had is nothing short of outstanding. We put up the 7th highest point total in Dolphins history last year. I am sure if we had the offensive line to go with the receivers that may be in place, with Landry out of the back field and caring the rock. Man we would be hard to stop. But this is the problem we have what seems to be the pieces but the gasoline (offensive line) to run the engine is stale and old. sing with me......spit sputter spit spit sputter

    all together now spit sputter spit spit sputter..........and the offense goes
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    Maybe I am missing something. Never said we should have drafted a OL with the first pick. However it probably would have been my move had I have the decision making authority. Of course this is speculative because you stated there was no OL available in free agency.

    I look at it differently. Not trying or ignoring the offensive line to me is worse then trying and bombing a second or third round pick. At least we could say we tried.
     
  16. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    you hit the nail on the head DJ

    Looking for them to try and do something to improve the line so we have a chance bro. A legitimate chance. I have felt doom and gloom for about 7 yrs now before the damn season even starts because deep down i know we don't have a prayer to win the superbowl. Do you honestly believe this line as it is is a super-bowl caliber line?????

    I dont know how many more 8-8 seasons I can take. It seems this stuff is so obvious. I am not down on signing Suh. But he is for sure not going to take us to the super bowl. If we had all the other pieces and he was going to put us over the top then ok. But Suh is not that piece. Great player yes, but, not that piece.

    I hate being negative but there are lots of improvements we could have made with signing multiple other players to make the team better then in essence putting most of our eggs in one basket with Suh.

    It is staring us in the face
     
  17. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    your right we cant upgrade every unit in the same season. But what did we need more?? the offensive line or Suh?? Who for the next several years will eat up huge sums of cap. More then 4 or 5 normal players all by himself. Not complaining about SUH, just think maybe we put the cart before the horse here and have now made the OL upgrade harder due to money constraints. Maybe not glaring us in the face right now, but what happens when guys like Kenny stills now want to get paid?? If Stills plays anywhere close to what we hope he is going to want 6 or 7 mill a year if not more. Currently he makes under 1 million and due for contract next year (end of 16)
     
  18. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    What olineman did we miss out on because of Suh?
     
  19. LBsFinest

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    How is it good PR? And going undrafted didn't backfire on him, quite the opposite, it's what he wanted and now he can renegotiate his contract after 2 years, rather than having to wait 3 years like all draft picks.
     
  20. resnor

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    So we're to believe that Collins was lying when he said he would sit out if drafted, but he's telling the truth now that it was a bluff? How do you people decide when someone is lying? Either he lied then, or he lied now. I think saying it was a bluff softens the whole stance he took...doesn't make what he's saying now the truth.
     
  21. resnor

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    Who are the big name, have changing olinemen w missed because we signed Suh? I'm not saying oline isn't a need...I'm saying, that when you have a chance to get your defense set with a once in a generation player, you do. Clearly they prioritized offensive weapons and defense over oline.
     
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  22. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    to my knowledge - none

    Reason : We didn't bother to try

    There was the draft and free agency. We could have traded for a linemen.

    Could have done a lot of different things. We dropped our load on SUH. It is what it is and I am happy he is a Dolphin. However, signing a caliber player like Suh is usually the over the top move that brings a team close to the goal of winning the superbowl.

    Is Suh going to put us over the top?

    Is this a superbowl caliber team?
     
  23. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Why does it have to be a big name? Could have been 1 of 100 linemen available in the draft. Could have been a linemen off a PS from some other team.
     
  24. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Only one I can think of is the guy out of San Fran...don't think we tried for him, but could be wrong.
     
  25. Fin4Ever

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    Or, we can get ready and go with what we got, and watch them have a decent year..y'all need to think about the OL again maybe and who we have and what we have done and then ask yourself if the front office did not spend enough on the line.
     
  26. rafael

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    You realize that we signed two linemen Jeff Linkenbach and Jacques McClendon and drafted Douglas as well as tried for Collins and are reportedly among the teams in play for Mathis. I don't agree that "we didn't bother to try".
     
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  27. Fin D

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    You didn't sufficiently prove or explain how Suh had anything to do with not going bigger at oline. Your premise is false.

    Other than QB, the thing that puts teams over the top is an exceptional dline.
     
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  28. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    Yes

    these are depth guys - guys on the cheap because they don't have the money

    Linkenbauch has played for Indy and KC. This will be his 3rd team in 3 yrs. He will probably make the rotation but only because they got no one else

    McClendon was drafted by the Colts in 2010 where he started 4 games. He then went to detroit where he failed to be able to start and was traded to Jacksonville where he started 18 out of 32 games.

    Douglas lets hope he can make the rotation.

    if throwing 4th rounders at the OL is trying I stand corrected
     
  29. 2socks

    2socks Rebuilding Since 1973

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    see post #68
     
  30. Fin D

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    Frankly, you're not making sense. First of all, out of 5 spots on the oline we have 3x1st rd picks and a 3rd round pick. Few teams, if any, have spent more for an oline. You're upset about a guard spot. Average play from the guard spot vs. above average play from the guard spot gives what net effect? Youi should know since you're so up in arms over it.

    #68 has NOTHING to do with my point. Explain how getting Suh kept us from getting a better guard.
     
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  31. resnor

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    Socks...my point is, that getting Suh elevates not only our defense, but our whole team, more than getting some average offensive linemen. I agree we needed better oline play last year, but at some point, you have to roll with what we have...which is a line with 3 first rounders and a third rounder. It is what it is. Suh changes the whole team. He's worth every bit of his contract.
     
  32. Fin4Ever

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    Good Post Fin D....and so correct..I posted the same thing a few pages ago and he did not respond.
     
  33. cbrad

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    Given what we saw last year (and in many recent years), was it more important for the Dolphins to put together a great OL that allows Tannehill above average time to throw and helps our run game more, or was it more important to shore up the DL so that teams don't run right through us in the 4th quarter with the defense blowing leads?

    I'd say both are worth about the same. Getting Suh fixes one of those problems, so I really can't see the arguments for saying Suh was a bad investment.
     
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  34. rafael

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    You just asked that they take 1 of 100 guys in the draft or sign some guy of another team's practice squad. You didn't care about it being a big name and then 5 posts later you want them to have spent a higher pick and big money?
     
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  35. djphinfan

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    this is the truth, besides qb if I'm starting a franchise Suh would be the guy I choose, and if I didn't love the qb he would be the guy again, so i don't follow your philosophy on building a team..He's the ultimate get..

    Brandon Albert is going to be back this year at some point, plenty of time to make a playoff run even if he misses a few games, when he is there, theres enough talent where there shouldn't be any excuses..

    does paying Suh that kind of money (a non qb)what we are, make it more difficult to build a Super Bowl team?, seems logical, but that's why I said you need a good personell man and a great qb..

    We're gonna need Ryan to do much more eventually when the Suh contract makes it not possible to sign guys we other wise would..
     
  36. Fin D

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    There has never been, in the history of the NFL, a guard good enough to impact the game as much as Suh.
     
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  37. djphinfan

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    Not quite sure that's what he saying, pretty sure it's a relative money to the cap thing..

    If I'm a gm, I go after Suh, and trust my talent to the fill the roster accordingly, if I fail that's the way I want to fail.
     
  38. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    It's not unheard of for an O line guy to stink it up for a few years, just to have the light come on. Evan Mathis is one such example...rare'ish, yes, but not implausible.
     
  39. padre31

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    This is one of the reasons "why" I'm not a Philbin Fan..any moron can have a great offense after pouring resources into guys who do not score Td's on the Oline..then there is Cautious Joe..all that $$ and draft picks and they still..were not good

    Cautious Joe is the opposite of Shula's "take'n his'n and beaten you'in and take'n yours and beatin' his in"
     
  40. Fin D

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    But when you boil it down, he's comparing one position to another position. DT vs Guard. Then, when you figure in that the oline is already filled out by 3 x 1st rd picks and 3rd, then it makes his point even less valid.

    I mean this isn't a matter of opinion, like who is better Tannehill or CKap...no.....this one person complaining that not enough high resources were spent on the oline which demonstrably not true. Also the side effect of making that point, is pitting a DT against a Guard in battle of which position is more important, which is also a no brainer.
     

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