ESPN analyst Damien Woody on Miami Dolphins: 'They're soft mentally'

It wasn't directed at you. I didn't quote you. Not every post is about you, ftr.

 

Lol..yep..same ol' every time this comes up..lol

 

Yes, I know he was his OC, but yes, shocking and very very "weird" if you think he would jeopardize his career and integrity to help "his boy". "His boy" was trying very hard to put the smack down on his beloved former OC. Is this what this has come to? Please tell me you don't honestly believe that.

 

It's not???? Lol

 

Come on, I was kidding about the OC helping Rodgers...odds are very high against that they don't make the first down without a timeout.

 

I already responded to this motion.

 

Let's both admit that Philbin probably made a mistake and wishes he could get that one back. I'm fine with that. Every HC goes through a learning period. It happens. I just hope he learns from it but I can't tell you what 2015 will be like.

But let me ask you since it's obviously been a major thorn in your side and you seem to want to bring it up or re-hash it quite a bit...are the Dolphins a different team today if Philbin doesn't call timeout?

Do you really believe that the team would be different today--as in worse? Even if Philbin hadn't called timeout, even if the team had won the game, would that have changed the roster as of right now? I honestly doubt it set the team back the way it's implied.

If anything, it probably had a positive impact in motivating much of what we saw the team do this offseason to re-shape its roster. Who knows, maybe that truly was a defining moment in the 2014 season? But if the team won that day, let alone went on to make the Play-offs, how many of the off-season moves do you think would've gotten made? Less than the number that actually did I bet!

I know that decision by Philbin didn't hurt the team in the long run and if anything it probably helped the team get to where it is right now, plus it make Philbin less likely to make the same mistake again later on down the road when there's actually more on the line and the team might have a real shot at competing in the Play-offs. Who knows, that single decision could've been the thing that put Suh here instead of the team feeling content to re-sign what it had in Odrick.


Nevertheless, at some point you have to let it go and give Philbin a chance to redeem himself. You don't even have to change your mind--I'd just like to see you cut the guy some slack.

 

I don't think you were joking bro, but I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt because we both like Luc and hey..... you are a phinfan. However, they just previously made a first down by hitting Jordy Nelson on 4th and 10 for 18 yards to keep the game winning drive alive. Maybe they didn't have the correct personnel or package in to prevent that from happening yet again.

 

That's a terrible defense..nope, why would they be gassed,they had just sacked Rogers to make it 4 and 14.

You know how I can prove they got it wrong?..... He converted a play that has about a what chance of making it?

You don't mess with that kind of momentum, qb was just clocked and if you don't think he would of been affected by that I believe you to be wrong...all variables were in our favor..at home...crowd..down and distance..previous play..

Seriously can't believe anyone defends it, your only defense is that if one of the players called the timeout on their own.

 

Not all situations are equal. When Wilson faced pressure from multiple OL breakdowns while in the pocket, like Tannehill too often did (bad OL and his coaches didn't move the pocket as often, etc.), Wilson usually didn't escape either. You see Wilson making plays when he eludes one defender or when he's on the edge due to play design and see that as all individual, but it's not. He's facing a different situation. We discussed that Tannehill TD throw to Matthews off a scramble. That was a situation where he was pressured from one area and Tannehill escaped and made a play. Why did he escape and make the play then and not on other occasions? B/c the situation was different. So while Wilson has more experience and that's a factor, the bigger factor is that most often he's making plays in different situations.

 

its a fundamental flaw that I don't like..not only did he not play the incredible odds that was in his favor, he didn't play the momentum or Rhythm card as well..like I said the only way out for him is if a player called it on his own...cause we know it wasn't a personnel thing so..if your trying to tell me he just wanted to gather the troops to regroup, at home, with that type of rare energy in the building, against that down and distance, well, he needs to change his philosophy and learn to have a better feel for that type of situation..

By letting your defense regroup your also letting the best qb in the game shake off the fact that he just got thrown around like a rag doll by the best def end in the game...come on man, this is a ridiculous conversation..lets just all call it a flaw in his philosophy and move on.

 

Lol..it's all good bro....if Luc would have been in on that play last year..No way they make it..lol

 

I agree with DJ.....and like Greg said, if Philbin learned from it,then hopefully when it comes up under exact same circumstances....He makes the right call..That is what is important ! Don't make the same mistake twice.

 

One thing that's hard to teach is how to understand the psychological side of the game. Some people have a feel for what they need to say/do to motivate someone, to throw their opponent out of rhythm, etc.. And Philbin just seems not to have it. I doubt that's going to ever change with him.

I'm on the same side as you on this issue (as you probably know from previous debates), but even if it is somehow statistically better to take the time out (let's say you had enough similar situations to know this), I seriously doubt Philbin made that decision taking into consideration the psychological side of the game (as in.. what's the value of keeping the opponent off balance?). It seems like with him it was more: defense is tired, let's regroup and plan this out by taking a tactical time out.

 

I'm trying to point out ways where I think our qb has to improve to get us to where we want to go, which is having the chance to win multiple titles over the next 10 years.that play your speaking of where Ryan made the throw off the run, do you have a gif of that play?

 

I think CK posted stats proving that Russell Wilson faced a larger percentage of pressure that came from more than one rusher.

 

Their coach is soft mentally, that much is certain. I think the players are salvageable, don't know about him.

 

I've seen the gif on the site here, but I have never successfully posted a gif myself. (I'm an old guy, LOL)

 

That's not really something you can show with stats (assuming you even trust a stat source like PFF or anybody else to gather such info). You have to watch the film. I watched a ton of his games out here and I know that almost every time I saw Wilson standing in the pocket and pressure came both inside and out, he turtled (wisely IMO). If he was outside the pocket, usually due to play design, then it didn't matter if it came from two points b/c they were on one side. But there are very few QBs who escape pressure when a pocket collapses on him. It's almost exclusively the big guys like Ben or Cam. Vick did it for a bit but couldn't last. Wilson isn't Vick in terms of elusiveness and he's smart enough to go down and fight again the next play.

 

Contrast that with Belicheat NOT calling a TO at the end of the Super Bowl. He very well could have...Philbin would have...but he intentionally didn't call it to put the pressure on the offense (at least that was my feeling at the time)...we all know the result.

 

Just lettin folks know I'm not the one who brought up Wilson..

I completely disagree with this evaluation Rafs, Wilson anticipates pressure better than anyone in the game, he gets a head start when he know the pockets intergity is going to be jeopardized, he usually does it by going backwards which creates more space from the defenders then works his way back towards the LOS..I don't understand the point your trying to make about the escapability talent of the best player doing it..

 

That offense was on a roll to..drove all the way down the field, didn't need to regroup at the 5 but we did at the 40...lol

 

I agree.. but did you have to remind me? Nightmare of my life to see NE win another SB. That was such a storybook ending that was unfolding. Now so many put Brady as one of the best because of those 4 SB's. Either way, I think not using Lynch is the real story there.

 

Ya the whole world questioned that call...and based on metrics and percentages, it was the RIGHT call, believe it or not. When the Seahawk caught that crazy catch on the previous drive, I just KNEW it was going to happen to them 3x in a row (lose a SB on a crazy catch by the other team)...and I was so happy about it...then BAM...fck me.

 

And one word can sum it all up..........discipline. That is the entire basis of what they've done and the success they've had for the past 15 years. And I don't mean the, "don't leave gum wrappers on the floor" discipline...do you think BB would even descend to even have to say that to his players? They already know...

 

I'm sure you misspoke. They did win the year before (been to 3 SB, won 1).

 

He's talking about the Pats losing the last 2 SBs by a catch and this one was shaping up the same.

 

LOL thanks dude!

 

Wilson does anticipate well. That's where his experience shows. But even then, in situations where he's in the pocket and gets quick pressure up the middle and side simultaneously, he doesn't usually escape. In those situations he looks exactly like Tannehill does in the same situations. Conversely, when Tannehill gets pressured from just one side or is rolled out suddenly Tannehill looks quicker and makes plays like that throw to Matthews. In other words, it's not just about individual ability. The situation matters. If your team runs most of the time then the D isn't as honed in on the pass rush and the QB's job is easier. If the play calling primarily plants the QB in one spot, then it's easier for the D to tee of. That makes the QB's job harder compared to a QB whose play calling uses more rolls and half rolls to move the pocket. My point is that the situation matters. It's not just about the individual player.

 

Why would they be gassed...after making a huge play...in the 4th quarter...after trying to keep up with Aaron Rodgers? Hmmmmmmm

 

Oh please your playing at home, the crowd is amped and you just knocked the hell out of the qb putting him in a very bad situation, yeah great time to call a timeout because your tired..

I can't take it buddy, your to smart to defend this.

 

Deej, there is no magical power afforded a player by a home crowd, that would make said player have endless energy and never be physically tired.

Not to mention, you have spent countless posts saying that our home crowd and stadium DOES NOT do specifically what you're saying it did this one time.

It is not stupid to be facing Aaron Freaking Rodgers with the game on the line and the ball in his hands and worry that your defense might just be gassed a little in the 4th. It is certainly less crazy then saying a stadium that supposedly doesn't lend itself to energy with a crowd that supposedly doesn't get amped, somehow getting energized and amped to give athletes a magic ability to not feel tired, gassed or pain.

 

Its weird but I don't feel like the Pats won this year. Seattle did.


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Seattle lost more than the Pats won.

Personally, I thought it was hilarious.

 

Sun-life stadium gives you that glow.

 

you have got to be kidding me, of course there are times where a crowd can give a team the energy to uplift a player with some extra adrenaline, why do you think seattle dominates at home, so that theory has been proven true time and time again, even in our sh&^hole, its just in our place it happens very rarely because the construction makes it so difficult for all fans to get engaged and stand, this was the apex of the season, they had everyone on their feet, but that was just one element that was in our favor, take that out of the equation and you still have a dumb decision to call timeout in that situation.

the result was exactly what I expected so theres no sense arguing with me..I was right..go back to the game thread..lol