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How will the Patriots fare?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by The Sportz Guy, May 12, 2015.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    he lost about 10 to 12 bs of muscle recently, maybe his whole career was a scam..ped's...tiger that is.
     
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  2. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    He's big ole b**** is all. Titty-baby personified.
     
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  3. Alex13

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    not with that suspect secondary...and i say that without even knowing their schedule the first 4 weeks, if brady's suspension will hold up
     
  4. Sceeto

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    It certainly was not too harsh of a punishment. S--t, you can go all the way back to when that deusche ex-con came out and plowed a path for their kicker. That, spygate, deflated balls. When there's enough smoke, there is usually a fire. They tried and got caught. Simple.
     
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  5. Itsdahumidity

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    People, last week on nfl insiders or nfl live Adam Caplan said T.Vincent initially wanted to give brady 8 gms. Claimed Vincent 'could live with 6 gms, but goodell talked him down to four.'
    My jaw dropped when I heard that.
     
  6. Unlucky 13

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    Good for them. 8 seemed adequate. If they lower it, my head will explode. :censored:
     
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  7. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Let's see if it goes to two games perhaps an agreement on the sidelines between Goodell and Kraft.
     
  8. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    [h=1]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/19/brady-ruling-expected-this-week-litigation-seen-as-inevitable/
    Brady ruling expected this week, litigation seen as inevitable[/h]
    A casual remark from Commissioner Roger Goodell to CNBC two weeks ago created widespread anticipation last week for a potential ruling on the appeal of Tom Brady’s four-game suspension.
    As a new week begins, a source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Brady camp expects a ruling this week.
    Goodell has had post-hearing briefs from the league and the NFL Players Association for more than two weeks, and the coming week will be the last one before the launch of training camps.
    The source describes the anticipated outcome as a “sham,” with litigation to promptly follow.
    The question then becomes whether Brady and the NFLPA will seek a preliminary injunction aimed at allowing Brady to keep playing while the litigation proceeds. Which would make Brady available for the Thursday night opener against the Steelers, even if he eventually serves a suspension.
     
  9. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    Perhaps the best case for us would be for the suspension to be upheld, but Brady appeals. It doesn't get resolved by the time the season starts, so he plays early games while under appeal. The appeal is finally heard, and he is still suspended, but then misses the first game against us. :cool:
     
  10. 77FinFan

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    Nobody gives two craps about the poor equipment guy sitting at home. If there was nothing done illegally why was he canned? Cheaters.
     
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  11. djphinfan

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    hey Johnny..there has to be a decision before their camp starts, teams are always gameplannning vrs their first opponent.
     
  12. Fin Fan In Cali

    Fin Fan In Cali Dolphin fan since 1970 Luxury Box

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    Yes sir as it will probably come early this week.
     
  13. Fin4Ever

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    This whole situation is a joke...The NFL should have suspended his AZZ for the whole year and if you want to get technical, his AZZ should be BANNED from football forever just like Rose was in Baseball. The NFL should be much more serious with an offense like this. This is the Patriots 3rd time caught for cheating and Brady was a part of them ALL. Do they think that US, the fans are stupid or something? CAUGHT 3 times, does anyone think that they only cheated 3 times? I would almost be willing to bet my house that they are always looking for ways to deceive us all and have been cheating for years. It also would not surprise me if Brady,BB, and others are actually putting money on football games..I wish that I did not feel this way, but after seeing this multiple times it is not out of the realm of possibility...Again Commish, ban his azz.
     
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  14. jdang307

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    The NFL asked them to. I thought.
     
  15. jdang307

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    Yeah you don't do that. Steroids are much more egregious than this. Tampering with footballs before this was only a $25,000 fine before. It blew up and so the NFL had to come down hard, and Goodell is very conscious of the appearance he favors Kraft.

    If this was Chad Henne it would have been a footnote. It was seen as a very, minor infraction. But they went all in and can't back out.
     
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  16. 77FinFan

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    If true that is also BS.
     
  17. danmarino

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    Some people still don't get it.

    His tampering with the footballs, and if anyone believes he didn't tamper with them they are stupid, did more than help him grip/throw the ball. There is a lot of evidence pointing to their turnover ratio once Brady started messing with the balls. No matter if he knew or not, if his cheating lowered the Pats turnover ration, then this is waaaay bigger than what most believe. Turnovers are a huge predictor of wins and losses. If deflating the footballs affected that T/O ratio, which the stats seems to suggest, then the Pats truly have never won a SB.
     
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  18. muskrat21

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    when would chad henne ever be in an AFC championship game to cheat?
     
  19. VManis

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    I think there is a bit of Al Capone syndrome going on here. The Feds ultimately nailed Capone on tax evasion because they couldn't make a case for the other crimes. Over the years the Patriots have been accused of cheating in multiple ways by multiple teams. I think the frustration and animosity from the other teams reached a breaking point and this was a gotcha moment.
     
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  20. Galant

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    As per the OP - the Pats will do just fine. History clearly indicate that and I don't see any reason to think otherwise. I'm surprised at how many articles/shows I've seen suggesting that a 4 game suspension will really hamper them to the degree that they're saying the Phins win the division this year. Pats will win the division again this year. We need to get that wild card.
     
  21. Itsdahumidity

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    Wish I could thank this post elevendy-million times. jdang, yes the steroids scandal was bad and they should always be associated w/ that type of cheating. However, the pats* systematically cheated their way to the top in various ways. Cheating that benefited the entire team unlike MLB's individual players & their stats. And y'know how people say Bonds, Clemens etc. didn't need to cheat b/c they were great already? And IMO that's true but I don't care-they broke the most sacred sports law. Punish them. Can anyone say, with 100% confidence, brady didn't need to cheat?
     
  22. Unlucky 13

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    Exactly. Whether they needed to cheat or not, they DID CHEAT!

    A rich man may not need to steal $100, but if he does, he should be punished the same way that a poor man would be.
     
  23. jdang307

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    And Jerry Rice used stickum. Delete his records and kick him out of the NFL? Or punish them for what they were caught with, and move on?
     
  24. Unlucky 13

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    If he had been caught red (stickum?) handed, he should have received the same penalty that a nobody 5th receiver on another team would have. Not laying the hammer on superstars in sports has always been one of my pet peeves.
     
  25. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Yes...delete away. I don't care HOW big a player's career ended up...how big would it have been without stickum? No one will ever know. And, much like the Cheatriots, there's no validity to a "they/he didn't even need to cheat" argument, because THEY DID...so they most certainly thought they "needed" to. The very fact they did should be an indictment, non-adjustable.
     
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  26. jdang307

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    So he gets a pass because he never got caught? It's as bad as getting caught, admitted to it. Cheating happens. Half the league is on steroids. Punish those who get caught, and move on.

    Do you want to have what the MLB has? Once A-rod gets the RBI record, the MLB will have the all time leaders in hits, home runs, MVPs, Cy Youngs, RBIs, intentional walks, walks, intentional walks in a game, intentional walks in a season, home runs in a season, etc. etc. effectively and literally banned from the HOF.

    Luckily the NFL doesn't view cheating so sternly. Steroids/PEDs? Okay do your 4 games and let's give other players some brain injuries.
     
  27. Unlucky 13

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    I'd be happy to nuke half the league if it meant doing a better job of making sure that the rules were followed in a fair and equal way.
     
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  28. danmarino

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    Im not sure what Rice has to do with the Pats cheating
     
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  29. MikeHoncho

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    It's the ole "Babe Ruth drank and ate hotdogs in the dugout, therefore Barry Bonds is a first ballot hall of famer" dodge. (ftr I think Barry Bonds was a HoF before ever 'roiding up)
     
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  30. Colorado Dolfan

    Colorado Dolfan ...dirty drownin' man?

    Pointing to bad behavior to validate more bad behavior is all the rage.
     
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  31. PhinFan1968

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    I'm sure the PEDs had absolutely nothing to do with the "earning" of those distinctions...

    I used to be a major MLB fan, until the PEDs stuff...the league can go to hell. Haven't so much as watched one game since. If football gets to that level, I'll do the same. There's tons of other stuff I could do that wouldn't be based on a sham.
     
  32. jdang307

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    I wanted to flush out his opinion on cheating in the league. He was consistent and said he'd nuke Jerruh Rice too.

    Me, I'm the opposite. Those who get caught cheating do their time, and them come back. Ray Lewis basically was involved with the murder of someone and Mike Vick murdered a bunch of dogs. Some deflation that wasn't even really proven is small potatoes. 3-4 Seahawks get caught on PEDs. The NFL is such a violent league, a tiny bit of cheating is small potatoes. You gonna knock of Brady and Jerry Rice from the halls of fame for small transgressions? Not I.

    But we're both entitled to our opinion. I was flushing out his.
     
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  33. jdang307

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    Football is past the level of steroids the MLB used. The MLB followed the NFL into PEDs as the used it in the 60s. Sorry buddy. You're past it.
     
  34. Itsdahumidity

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    What on earth are you talking about? On the field. On-the-field. Who cares what Lewis & Vick did off the field? Yes, as human beings they've done questionable things so judge them till your heart desires. Did they compromise the integrity of the game?
    Some deflation? Small potatoes you say?



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  35. MikeHoncho

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    Why did you leave out OJ Simpson? Pacman Jones? The list goes on and on of people whose actions justify the Patriots cheating.
     
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  36. resnor

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    The question has always been, for me, how many other teams are doing this stuff? We have many players, both current and retired, coming out and saying that they also tampered with balls. Hell, the Colts balls, the four that they bothered to measure, didn't even all pass minimum. Why didn't they test all the Colts balls? Alot of this seems like teams snitching on the Patriots because they don't like them. They are arrogant, and they win alot. Teams are sick of it.
     
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    A lot of people say Rodgers likes a more inflated ball or that other QBs like this or that. It is a huge difference that Brady/the Patriots paid/bribed a guy to steal back the balls after referee inspection, bring them to a bathroom, deflate them, and return them....all after the official pre-game measurements. I bet Rodgers didn't do this and I bet the Colts didn't do this. Not to mention, these two guys talked about it all the time, knowing there were major ramifications to being caught.

    To me, this indicates these guys are going above and beyond to not just stretch the rules, but outright cheat. This McNally guy was also the one who took part in the 2004 practice ball-in-game scandal and they were warned to not goof with the balls again. The same team who lost a first round pick for illegally taping. The same team rumored by tons of players to screw around with the headsets or rewiring Brady's helmet. It's not "just deflated balls" to me at all at this point.
     
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  38. resnor

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    There may be fundamental difference between deflating after the check, and trying to sneak balls through the check. I will agree with that. However, in either scenario, if you are using balls on the field, that do not meet the requirements, then you both are cheating. The way the Patriots went about it is definitely more egregious, but if you're concerned about cheating, then both are cheaters.
     
  39. rafael

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    The T/O ratio to me is huge. That was the first thing I thought of when the under-inflated balls issue came up. The lower pressure makes footballs easier to throw, catch and hold onto. If one team's offense has that advantage it can translate to fewer T/Os and more offensive efficiency (fewer bad throws, fewer drops).

    The same with the extra info that they got by video taping and having Brady's helmet speaker on all the way to the snap. Having somebody in a young QB's ear all the way to the snap telling him what to watch for or pointing out defensive shifts and cues is a huge advantage.

    Nobody can say how many regular season wins, playoff wins or SB wins wouldn't have happened w/o the cheating, but it seems delusional to believe that it had no effect.
     
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    I don't really agree with that. If Rodgers wants the ball inflated as much as possible he'll tell them to go to the max or maybe slightly over and if the ref says it's approved you're not cheating. Reality is that there is a range in most things and being close is generally good enough. To me it's like speeding. If you're going <5 mph over the 65 mph speed limit most cops will let you go. That allows for human or mechanical error. In fact, when speed limits are set they don't go to the top limit deemed as safe, they round down. But what Brady did was far more egregious. He was going way beyond that range. Beyond anything close enough. He was knowingly and purposefully cheating. I'm actually surprised the NFL only went to 4 games. To purposefully and knowingly cheat and lie to the NFL about it again? I would have thought that 8 games was the minimum and that a year was possible.
     
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