Brady destroyed his phone, suspension will be upheld

It was Doug Flutie, and he had no motive or reason to lie about it.

Also, Brady's former Pro Bowl center Damien Woody said on live TV that Tom Brady has been cheating his entire career since day one and never stopped. And that everyone from the players to coaching staff to front office to the owner himself all knew about it.

 

Does anyone care about the new info released today, concerning the NFL leaking false info to Chris Mortensen? Has anyone else read the email exchanges between the Patriots and the NFL offices? The NFL really seemingly did nothing to correct the misinformation that was flowing when this whole thing broke...and seems to have been complicit in releasing the information. If all that is true, I just can't fathom why Goodell/the League would want to taint the Patriots and Brady. It just doesn't make any sense.

 

I thought all of us (including you) agreed that this wasn't about the footballs, this is all about the Cheatriots getting caught cheating again, and Tom Brady not cooperating and impeding the investigation?

 

I don't. it doesn't change the fact that Brady cheated while on a team that's been caught cheating and accused of cheating on multiple other incidents.

 

Honestly, biases aside, it seems to me that the NFL is trying to make an example of the Patriots. And that they really don't have the sound evidence to be doing so. The science and procedures of the investigation were quite flawed, and this whole issue with Brady's personal cell phone is just irrelevant and 100% PR schtick. This stuff about the NFL leaking false info to a journalist is yet another reason that Brady and any other NFL player simply should never give these League people access to their personal stuff; they are neither trustworthy nor competent.

 

The person who leaked it? Mike kensil, the guy whos had a vendetta against the Patriots since Belichick spurned the Jets. They don't even have hard evidence the Patriots balls were under inflated.

Not saying it will happen, but as PFT surmised, I would NOT be surprised if Brady ended up with a large fine and no suspension.

 

http://nesn.com/2015/07/patriots-publish-emails-to-nfl-asking-to-correct-false-deflategate-reports/

Crazy part is that the NFL was FULLY AWARE that the under-inflation data (the stuff they leaked) from Mort was false. And yet they DIDN'T CORRECT it until months later when the Wells Report came out. They let the lie propagate into a PR thing.

Why would you give these people your personal cell phone? Lol.

 

That's what Tom's lawyers advised him. This was an "independent" investigation, so they're argument was, it wasn't under the authority of the NFL or Goodell, so they told Wells, absolutely not.

Key point: Wells never asked for the actual cell phone. They only asked for the content of the phone and emails. Brady's team said hell no. But they never asked for the phone. That's what makes Goodell's "leak" of the cell phone destruction curious. When Brady destroyed the phone, for whatever reason, the NFL had NEVER asked for the actual phone. Once Goodell requested stuff, Brady provided every single record, phone calls, text messages, and told the NFL they identified the 24 NFL related personnel that he sent messages too, and would help them get the info.

NFL said no, 24 people is too many people and impractical. The NFL absolutely has been shady in this whole affair.

 

The NFL already tried to get the texts from the equipment manager, and he refused. That was the whole reason they asked for Brady's texts.

 

The NFL should not be correcting misinformation in the media. Would open up Pandora's box.

 

Pandora's Box was already open. They most definitely should have corrected the misinformation that was leaked by their own office.

As to the lying, etc, yes, I believe that is what the league is trying to hammer them for...But it's looking less and less like a slam dunk in the "they didn't cooperate" area. This whole thing stinks to high heaven, on all sides.

 

They should not be leaking it, you mean. Right?

Or that's okay, because it leads to offseason interest ...

If Kensil doesn't leak the faulty info, does this become a story? If instead of 11 out of 12 balls were 2 lbs under, it was: NE balls were suspected of being low, were tested and refilled during halftime" is it a Wells investigation?

Probably not. $25,000 fine to McNally, like it is in the rule books. I'm surprised nothing has been done to Kensil. If I were Kraft I'd absolutely be banging the table.

 

Just ban Belicheat, Marcia, and Baddell from the NFL for life, and move on...simple.

 

The independent investigator did.

Unless you are suggesting the investigator was not independent.


and are you sure they didn't get the text messages from Jastremski? Because they're right here

http://www.businessinsider.com/brady-patriots-employee-texts-deflategate-2015-5

All the records show no communications between them for 6 months. I think you are operating on false evidence or you mean something else?

 

The only thing that makes any sense, is that Goodell was told by enough teams that something really fishy was going on, and he thought that he would find boatloads of evidence to support. Then he came up mostly empy-handed, and is trying to save it.

 

Yes, the NFL should have a policy prohibiting leaking information.

Yes, this is still a story even if the leaked information wasn't leaked.

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They only were able to get texts from the league issued phones.

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Your never ending defense of the cheaters is sickening. When the Phins take back the division for the foreseeable future where will you be? How do you want to be remembered?

 

I just see jdang as standing up for what he believes is right, regardless of which team it is. Sure, the Patriots are cheaters. That doesn't mean the league is right in how they are handling this.

 

IMO it's not just about this. It's about everything that has been going on for a decade. Here's an article on some of the stuff:

http://nypost.com/2014/10/12/they-are-cheaters-spygate-the-nfl-scandal-that-started-it-all/

The filming was fairly straightforward — a staffer pointed a camera at an opposing team’s coaches from across the field. And it had gone on for nearly a decade — since Belichick took over the Pats in 2000, NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell later revealed.

It was so obvious, the Pats were busted several times before Spygate erupted, including a year earlier, during a 35-0 thrashing of Green Bay.

When the Lions played the Pats in Foxboro in 2006, the same thing happened, Sports *Illustrated reported.

But it wasn’t just a matter of filming opposing team’s coaches — it was also how that information was allegedly passed to Brady.

As the scandal broke, the NFL was investigating a possible violation into the number of radio frequencies the Patriots were using during the Jets game...

In this scenario, the extra frequency is critical, as it allows the team to do something in real time with the stolen signals, out of earshot of the NFL monitor, and change its plays accordingly.

If there’s an open channel during the play itself, you can also alert the quarterback to open receivers he may not see.

O’Leary repeats a rumor that Pats backup quarterback Doug Flutie once said he accidentally picked up Brady’s helmet during the 2005 season.

“He was amazed that the coaches kept right on speaking to Brady past the 15-second cutoff, right up until the snap,” *according to O’Leary.

“The voice in Tom Brady’s helmet was explaining the exact defense he was about to face.”

“There was confirmation that there has been taping since 2000, when Coach Belichick took over,” said Specter, who called for an independent probe similar to a Mitchell Report on performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. It never materialized.

That same year, Pats linebacker Ted Johnson told USA Today that an hour before game time, a list of the opposing team’s audibles — the signals a QB would use at the line of scrimmage just before a snap to change the play — would sometimes appear in his locker. He had no idea where the lists came from.

There was a report that Goodell was pissed at Belichek or Kraft, I can't recall which, after the whole spygate incident b/c he felt they had lied to his face. Then in this incident they come up with that ridiculous explanation for "the deflator" that it was just b/c he was losing weight. It was so obviously a bald-faced lie again. I would guess that when someone keeps lying to your face, you eventually reach a point where you just say, "F*** You".

 

A-fkng-men.

How ANY single person that isn't a Cheatriots fan...hell...even them...can give these Emmer Effers the SLIGHTEST benefit of the doubt is beyond comprehension. I'm not saying the NFL is wholesome and Goodell is a good guy...they suck a$$ too.

If Philbin/Tanny/Miami pulled the sh*t the Cheatriots have pulled for the last decade+, I'd swear off them AND football until such time as they left the building for good. Is integrity a lost thing? Why the hell do so many people defend these a$$holes?

 

It was also telling when Brady denied even knowing who the guys who handled the balls were. Stop defending the ******* Patriots. They better get what they deserve.

 

Proof positive that brady is a fraud. I don't know how many times I have said it. Early in his career he would just stand there in the shotgun motionless(past the 1st 15 sec). Not gesturing to his linemen nor WRs. Just listening.

 

What you really think that Bill went from a nobody with the Browns to a bloody genius overnight?

 

first, my post you quoted clearly was about brady* second, bill (big cheater) was on the verge of being fired in ne.

 

Look, I get that it's all the past stuff piling up, and I get that it's Bill/Kraft/Brady lying to Goodell...I said as much months ago. However, I don't think that NFL looks good right now in all this, and I have to think that Goodell was sure that the Wells investigation was going to find way, way more than they found.

 

Because they win....they don't want to be left behind. Totally effing ridiculous they have been allowed by this a hole commission to do this for 10+ years is outrageous and if I was Ross I would be asking for Goodell's immediate resignation and threatening a lawsuit for damages from lost revenue from playoff games, et cetera

 

Try more like $400-500 million. I heard that he eventually wants to own the LA team, since he is from Cali, just a rumor though