Second-year Miami Dolphins receiver Jarvis Landry putting in the work because, ‘I wan

The concept of #1 WR also changes depending on the makeup of the rest of the WR (and TE) corps. When you put together a group like we have where each seems to excel in a different aspect of the game and they at least in theory complement each other (Lazor needs to step up to make this happen in practice), an ideal offensive scheme would lead to no single WR becoming the primary focus of the defense. You want to create a scheme where the defense can't afford to keep double-teaming even what would otherwise be a traditional #1 WR because the offense would just gash them elsewhere.

Can Lazor pull this off? I don't know but we'll see. We talk about Tannehill, the OL, Suh, Philbin, etc.. but as important to our success will be how effective Lazor is in putting together a scheme that maximizes our diverse but complementary receiving talents. I think his job is far more difficult than that of Coyle, who can afford to be more conservative as long as he's smart about it.

If Lazor does pull it off, maybe no WR on our team will end up being a "true" #1 and we'll just have 1a, 1b and 1c (don't forget Cameron in this discussion).

 

Hines Ward is an almost perfect comparison in terms of numbers—similar skill-set, same position, high targets, modest ypc, etc. He represents what Landry’s numbers might look like if Landry had a long career, but I’m not sure I agree with the comparison of the two beyond the numbers. It’s actually a horrible comparison if you ask me. Hines Ward is too unique. There aren’t more than a handful of guys who played that position with his style.

Hines Ward was a violent hitter. He operated on the verge of being a dirty player. Even as a veteran, he was putting vicious hits on opponents. Recall, he even broke the jaw of a Bengal player on special teams during a hit many viewed as unnecessary and suspiciously aggressive. And that was towards the end of his career! Hines Ward loved contact and thoroughly enjoyed being a gritty, underneath player. Even his blocking was mythic.

His mentality led him to embrace his role on that team and become a beloved embodiment of “Steeler football” in Pittsburgh. While he wasn’t prone to diva behavior, he played with the same sort of swagger, bravado and physicality that Rodney Harrison did. Opponents hated that smile while his fans loved it. He talked trash and irritated his opponents. Make no mistake, Hines Ward loved his role in Pittsburgh and the reputation he had around the league.

Do you think of Landry as a violent hitter with tons of bravado? A gritty fighter on the verge of dirty with a nose for contact? A trash talker who specializes in irritating opponents? There aren’t many WRs who played like that and it’s no surprise that Hines Ward’s lack of size and speed didn't end his chances. He was more than happy to do all the other things to earn what success he could. A see a parallel in Zach Thomas there.

Landry doesn’t strike me as the Hines Ward or Zach Thomas type. I think Landry wants to do the exciting things and believes that if he works hard, his physical skill set won't be a limiting factor. I'm not sure how I feel about that.

Landry is looking to win with energy, athleticism and execution. He'd rather do it with hands than physicality. He’s far more into the finesse aspects of the position where as Hines Ward challenged the happily embraced its physical elements. I agree Landry has skills, but I wonder how he's going to overcome. Hartline showed that a good work ethic, an above-average pair of hands and reliable route-running are not going to endear you to the fans for more than 2-3 years before they turn on you. If you don't transcend in some way, you're destined to become a journeyman.

Maybe Landry can be more physical? I don’t know. I’m not going to equate Landry to proven players though that were amongst the best in the league at what they did, let alone guys who might go into the Hall of Fame. Right now Landry is definitely not a Hines Ward type of player. Not on the same level mentally. He has not proven he'll go that far. When rookies are watching videos of Jarvis Landry blocking, then I'll know he went as far as Ward did...because you know who the coaches probably showed to Landry, right?

Landry isn’t Welker either—no one is. Welker was a right-time, right-place kind of player. In a side by side comparison with Landry, I'm estimate Welker was quicker and was probably willing to take bigger hits (aside from a few concussions). His overall toughness was a distinct advantage. We haven’t seen that type of Welker-esque acceleration out Landry nor evidence he’s as tough as Welker was and willing to be hit as often. Plus, Welker’s production was brought out when he played with Brady at QB and Moss over the top—both likely Hall of Famers. It’s easy to see why an otherwise average-sized body, willing to take a little punishment, thrived for a while in that NE offense.

Victor Cruz showed what elite long speed can do in the slot, another big physical advantage that Landry will never have. Cruz could go 80 yards if a LB missed a tackle or took a bad angle which is why when he was healthy he was able to rack up nearly double the yardage that Landry did last year. Think about that for a while.

So it’s something to consider—what is a slot receiver worth who can’t transcend his physical limitations? The entire measure of a slot receiver is based largely on his ability to go beyond short throws for short gains (the low hanging fruit that can be swallowed up by a play-off defense). We need look no further than Davone Bess who did just that in Miami for several years. Recall, no one cared much when he disappeared. The attitude was, ‘good, now we can get a WR with the ability to really test a defense.’ Landry faces that issue as well. So what do you do?

The answer is obvious: you keep building around Landry until you have 4-5 other good pieces. Landry isn't hurting you. He's just not helping as much as the good feelings police say he is. Will a good running game paired with WRs like Stills, Parker, Jennings, and a TE like Cameron be enough? Hopefully. But it also means limited production for Landry in terms of sheer numbers. The question for me is still out there. Landry doesn't bring speed a la Cruz or the distinct attitude of Ward. Maybe he has similar shiftiness to that of Bess and Welker but will this offense help his numbers a la Welker in NE or limit him a la Bess in Miami? Either way, working out of the slot means you have to do something special. Right now--despite the fact I love Landry's positive attitude and commitment to the game--I'm not quite sure if he's doing anything special.

 

Actually at LSU when Landry was on STs his reputation was as a violent hitter with a nose for contact. That was how he first made a name for himself.

 

Playing in college is just that. Welcome to the NFL. Maybe he can take his LSU reputation and start one in the NFL that entails breaking tackles and blocking at a high enough level that he gets more acclaim?

I wouldn't say it if I wasn't sitting here hoping for it. I'm a fan. I want to see it. Put it out there. Earn it. I hope there's a reason for him to be here for 10 years.

The truth is, a long career ain't gonna be about 1-handed catches. It's going to be about the Hines Ward stuff.

The question is, how will he do enough to be a great player...or simply sustain his being a good player? I don't think it's going to be making those 9-yard receptions with 1 less hand, I'll tell you that. He's not going to wake up with more speed or longer fingers. That's stuff is going to be what it is, sorry to say.

Maybe what you're talking about is going to display itself this season. I hope it does. I didn't see anything special there last season in terms of physical play. He's definitely a small-frame guy by NFL standards so maybe he can thicken up over the next couple years?

 

disagree with a lot of that..from what I saw out of the rookie he looks to have honey badger type talent, not the biggest strongest or fastest, just pure football player..I'm surely not gonna cap his ceiling based on a forty time..this is a unique talent and individual capable of pulling off great things..

Welker was a great player, ad I was very against him being traded, I believe he should go in the hall of fame one day..Landry can do special things as well..dont have to be a deep threat to be a great receiver.

 

I don't see the need for him to thicken his frame...I'm not sure where you started your ceiling with him, are you upset he isn't sammy watkins type talent, from the sound of it you sound like you don't think he will do great things or achieve pro bowl status...and if that the case, I disagree, he's a 90 to 100 catch 1000 -1100 yard receiver all day every day.

 

I disagree with your assessment that he's a finesse player. I see a ton of core strength in him. Here's a quote from Daniel Jeremiah:

“To me I see similarities of two guys when I watch him, and it’s pretty high praise,” said Jeremiah. “You see the way Anquan Boldin has played with that toughness and that physicality. And then Hines Ward. I think those guys are just instinctive and tough, physical, strong hands, and I think he has all that. He might not have that elite blow the doors off speed, but his game speed is plenty fast enough so I think they have a nice building block there at wide receiver.”

And I recall that he was characterized as the toughest, most physical skill player in that 2014 draft by McShay. Mayock, Dilfer, Millen and Kiper also said something similar as well. If you see a finesse player you're probably one of the few who does.

 

Hmmm, I remember Alshon Jeffery more as a comparison. Big guy who doesn't get a whole lot of separation.

 

Hmm, I don't see the same explosiveness from Parker as I do from Green. Same body type, height and weight. We'll see.

 

yeah he should just retract that whole post.

 

I don't either. I was the one who repeatedly brought up the Alshon Jeffrey comparison, but nationally the most frequent comparison I heard was AJ Green.

 

Considering we are in a division with possibly 3 of the 4 best defensive lines in the entire league (including us) a quick passing game is going to be pretty important, as it will be more effective than running or longer-developing plays.

One thing I noticed last year, no stats to back this up or anything, is that Landry and Tannehill together run the screen plays/quick passes extremely well. Those plays were barely ever misfires (which you actually see pretty often across the NFL) and Landry was getting 6, 7, 8 yard chunks fairly easily. If they're that seamless for them, it will continue to be a high % high YPC (compared to rushing yards) vs. these really good d-lines.

 

Tannehill also throws that seam pass well. If your TE gets down the seam quickly, the LB that would normally help constrain that quick pass in the middle has to get depth quickly. That helps open things up for jerk routes (Landry), short crosses (Landry and Stills) and quick slants (which I think Stills could be particularly effective at). I also find the RB pass in the flat (flare or screen) to be effective against a good pass rush. Miller is not a good receiver, but Williams, James and Ajayi are.

 

djphinfan,

Landry seems thin to me. He seems small overall. I’m just wondering how that’ll affect his offensive role with 3 weapons on the outside and a seriously capable TE on the inside. Last year, Landry competed with Wallace and Clay with Hartline being a virtual non-factor. This year, Landry has to compete with 3 other good WRs, a great TE and RBs whose role will probably increase. That’s 2-3 other names we’re now trying to incorporate. You keep predicting a big season for Landry but you haven’t shown how that’s going to happen amidst all these other additions. Are you predicting Tannehill goes over 5k yards and you’re just not telling anyone, lol?

In catching 85 balls, Landry only put up 758 yards last year which is pretty damning for a WR hoping to be the weapon you claim he’ll be. Even if he caught 90-100 as you say, he still wouldn’t reach 1k yards with the average he has. Have you thought realistically about your claims? It doesn’t seem so.

Don’t take my projections of Landry so personal. It’s not your job to set the rules for what can and can’t be said here. You’re equating conservative projections to hate. You even describe me as “upset.” That couldn’t be farther from the truth. So far, I love the guy’s attitude. He looks like a valuable asset, particularly given his 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] round status.

Rafael,

I agree with your assessment of what makes a true #1 receiver. I think that’s very fair and a nice, concise description. Those sorts of qualities tend to transcend the QB, the team and the offensive system.

I also agree that Miami’s WRs—while much better than in recent years—look a bit like someone pieced them together on paper. Let’s put aside Jennings for a second who’s a short-term addition. I’m not sure football is as simple as having a deep threat (Stills), an underneath/slot option (Landry) and a big-bodied possession receiver (Parker). That’s a little idealistic on the part of the fans to think it’ll be that straight-forward and that the roles will be that clear-cut.

Parker will have to stretch the defense and use his leaping ability and big body so he’ll complement Stills down the field. Stills can’t just run go-routes all day and be Ted Ginn 2.0. We need a more complete player opposite Parker to balance the offense. Landry, imo, will be limited by his physical skill-set as well as the presence of the TE (who in this case is really good!).

Rafael,

I am not incorrect. I stated that he has been working on the finesse (i.e. non-contact) aspects of his position—things like acceleration, top-speed and hands. That is true. It’s what the reports have been all off-season.

What he’s chosen to focus his work on over the past few months doesn’t have anything to do with the strength of his abdominal muscles (i.e. “core strength”). That’s a completely separate issue.

As for anyone who claims Landry is on par with Hines Ward and Anquan Boldin—two of the toughest WRs the NFL has produced over the last couple decades—you’ll have to show us some proof of that. I don’t have to say more than I have already to make clear the hyperbole in those comparisons.

What I'd take away from the quoted bit is that Landry will be a "nice building block." That much I think is true. I've said from day-1 that I like the guy and I like the pick.

 

I don't see the WRs as limited or pidgeon-holed as you seem to. In fact, I think they were brought b/c of their versatility. They have different strengths, but all should be able to play all three positions and attack all levels of the field to some extent. I don't Stills as just a speed guy. I see Jennings as the prototype for a well rounded WR. Parker is not a guy I love in terms of odds of becoming a true #1, but I can't say he doesn't have potential. Landry is the one I see as most limited in being able to attack deep due to his speed, but I'll wait another season before I declare that a fact.

I never said you were incorrect. I said you were in the minority opinion as most seem to list physicality as one of Landry's predominant traits and make the comparisons to physical players you claim he doesn't compare to.

 

I don't feel like I'm unfairly criticizing Landry. I'm worried that some folks are over-valuing what Landry did last year and have convinced themselves he's far more dominant in the slot than I believe he is. If someone believes Landry is a future stud, that's there business. Me personally? I'm going to need evidence before I jump to those conclusions. For all the opportunities he had last year, Landry's production and overall highlight real was pretty marginal. The were few if any big returns. The ypc average was really bad. The net yardage wasn't great considering the # of receptions. The yac wasn't too impressive. So if it's not in the numbers, maybe it's in the highlights? But when you look there, the highlights themselves just don't show more than a few instances where he made a difference, maybe half a dozen over the course of the season.

So again, I'm not constricting my predictions. They're just not that high to begin with. Why would they be? Why would I project the guy to gain an extra 400-500 yards this season when the number of receptions is already high and will likely go down? Not only should I believe others when they make those unjustified claims, but somehow I'm supposed to have reached those same conclusions myself? To anyone who's feelings are hurt, well, I'm sorry if what I consider to be a logical approach is offensive but I just don't respect the Landry love because I think it's based more in fans hearts than their heads. All I can do is look to reasons why he might increase the production and ask myself if I agree. Is there break-away speed? No. Is he playing with a QB prone to inflating WR numbers? No. Do I expect him to get more targets? Not with the talent around him having gotten better.

He's a Dolphin and I'm a fan. He's not an all-pro though. To be honest, ODB Jr.'s star is shining so bright I think a lot of fans in Miami believe that by association Landry will do those same things. Maybe it's ODB's success that is really behind all the Landry love.

As for the other guys, that all entails stuff happening that hasn't yet. There are a lot of questions I'm asking myself right now. Stills has to show that he can develop a chemistry with Tannehill that Wallace couldn't. Stills' attitude is surely better, but can Tannehill improve his accuracy? I'm in the camp that believes he needs to. Stats being what they are, I've seen too many ill-placed passes down the field to believe Tannehill can just keep doing what he's doing and the Dolphins will be easily above 8-9 wins.

Parker's health is a concern, as is how Lazor will use his weapons. Will Landry even gets reps out on the perimeter at all? How will Jennings fair? Has much has age affected him?

As much I we've all praised this WR-corp, there are still major questions left to be answered. Even I've anointed them at times. I think even I need to be careful in not assuming too much. For the last several years we've wound up feeling worse about our WR-corp in December than we did in August. Maybe that trend will reverse itself this year.

 

Yeah definitely don't see any AJ Green in him. Like, none. Other than body type. Getting to Alshon's level would be good. AJ Green would be fantastic. But unlikely.

 

I'm not that high on Landry either. Not higher than I think he should be. I like him, but if he's our best WR I'm disappointed.

He's not a guy I see threatening outside consistently. He's a slot guy, but not a Victor Cruz slot guy. He's a guy who, last year, caught the ball an average of 3.5 yards from the LOS and then ran it 5.5 yac (decent). To threaten outside, he needs to get to Nelson/Julio Jones 10 yards from the LOS for me to be happy, taking away reps from Stills/Jennings/Parker. Randall Cobb is another slot guy, who caught his balls an average of 7.35 yards from the LOS, and had 6.8 yac per. We'd be ecstatic if he reached that.

 

I was specifically addressing your claim that Landry wasn't a physical player. I'm not as high on Landry as many here. I was the guy that cited his athletic limitations when we drafted him. But I'm not going to claim that he's not a physical player. That is one of the positive characteristics of his game.

 

Brad,

this is how I talk...dont take it personal..

imo your analysis of landry's game is off, everything from his body to his style of play..

he was a rookie last year, he worked extremely hard in the offseason strengthening his game physically and mentally, he didn't just practice one handed catches, he put in the time, his improved quickness,mental sharpness, conceptualization of the scheme is worth another yard or two per catch..

I'm willing to bet he will lead the team in targets, so with that, I know what his hands can do, I project what his intangibles are bringing to his game, and i come up with a number..90/1050/8

 

I could give a crap whos #1. Catch the ball! Move the Chains! Score TD's. And you'll be MY number 1 Baby!

 

I think you meant "Greg"

 

We need you talking to the whole team Sir...

 

Djphinfan,

It comes down to whether you’re talking about averages or high water marks. I’m focusing more on averages. You may be thinking more of best case scenarios. A lot of what you’ve projected is more of what I’d considered a best case scenario for Landry.

I’m not hesitant in believing Landry can average on the order of 800 to 900 yards. That being the case I wouldn’t be shocked if at some point he went over 1,000 yards. By comparison, Hines Ward averaged 857 yards per season and went over 1,000 yards 6 times in his 14-year career. But if you dig deeper you see other important information.

Interestingly enough, in the years Ward went over 1k yards, he averaged 12.0 ypc. In the seasons in which he failed to reach 1k yards, he averaged 12.1. So he was no less the player (actually better) in those lean years!

That proves Ward’s production correlated with targets and receptions. The 6 years Ward went over 1k yards were the same years in which he had his largest reception totals. He averaged about 90 catches in those big years as opposed to about 60 in the bad ones. Why so much of a disparity? Why does Ward’s production seem so erratic?

The story the numbers tell is clear. While Ward was always a reliable option, when the Steelers had more explosive weapons, his production dropped off. Plaxico Burress, Santonio Holmes, and Mike Wallace all stole targets and yards from Ward while they were in Pittsburgh. When they were around, Ward’s production was more in the neighborhood of 700 to 800 yards with the exceptions being 2001 and 2002 during which Burress and Ward were both able to reach 1k yards.

And just so we’re clear, Roethlisberger really wasn’t a factor. Several of Ward’s best seasons happened prior to Ben’s arrival and certainly prior to the young QB's ascension. Ward averaged 879 yards per season with once Big Ben joined the team.



No one will debate that it's going to require a lot of targets for Landry to break 1,000 yards. For him to do that regularly, this offense will need to feature him prominently. Last year, we saw how the presence of another prominent WR (Wallace) may have had some ill-effect on Landry’s limited yardage totals. Well, as we all know, the competition around Landry has gotten significantly better. So if it happened to Hines Ward, who I think was a more feisty WR, and last year it seemed as though it may have happened to Landry...why predict such an inflation?

Now, in your defense, Parker may not be 100% this year and Cameron is prone to concussion problems. If the production in certain areas is markedly lower than we would otherwise predict, the offense could easily rest upon the shoulders of Landry and Stills this year. Landry may be featured by default at some point if that were the case—which I don’t think is the point you’re making. If that happens, you may win the short-term debate on a technicality. Then again, I think my point would probably be proven when the offense faced play-off caliber defenses in January.

 

I wonder if Greg was able to view the perfect strike to LANDRY in stride in the end zone...beautiful perfect 60 yard throw by Tanny...Y'all know that since we drafted Landry that I told you he is deceptive and can get deep with no problem and did so many times in his LSU career...Hey, I'm not an Engineer mind you, but Landry and Tannehill will hookup deep quite a few times...Makeshift WR Group? I, imho, predict that we go with 6 WR's this year, with Preston possibly winning that last spot because of his size, and the fact that he had great plays & catches in OTA's, and TC so far. Rishard is beasting in camp of course, and by keeping 6, we do not need to rush Parker or Stills back.

 

Yes Juice will never be a game changing #1 receiver but he does run crisp routes, has amzing hands to go all with his perfect work ethic. He can easily make a couple pro bowls and even be the best slot receiver in the league for an extended period of time. I would only put ODB, Evans and Watkins ahead of him right now

 

I don't know if I'd take any of the other 2nd year guys over him at the moment, and that's not homerism talking.. wait till you guys see this kid.

 

I agree with most of that, though I do think Juice can be a legit #1. Sure hes not the tallest or the most athletic but he runs great routes and can work the middle of the field much the way a Hines Ward did.

FYI, I'd refrain from calling people "clowns" as thats not what we do here.

 

I dont think ward is more fiesty, I think landry deserves the targets, I want him to get the targets, over the other guys, I wanna see the inside out game, hes the star and the others are playing off his game, thats how we should try to win..Hes a win matchup all the time on the inside..just like welker, who has two rings with no randy moss playing next to him.

Landry is just as gifted as welker, and Im the biggest welker fan you will find, just as fiesty as ward, lets run the offense thru him and see how far we get..

that was a pretty deep ball in practice today, he's gonna set people up the smarter and more savvy he gets..2nd year player if full veteran mode.

 

With how many touches he's getting during the brief 11 on 11's now, could be ridiculous during the regular season. And he gets open EVERYWHERE on the field, against man or zone.

Also what a perfect teacher to have brought in for that.. Jennings.

 

If you mean Super Bowl rings, if I'm not mistaken, Welker has 3 Super Bowl appearences but no rings. 2 losses to the Giants with the Pats and one to the Seahawks with the Broncos.

That was a nice deep ball... let's hope both Tannehill and Landry keep that up. Can't wait to see some more of them to Stills and Parker as well.

 

Djphinfan,

I’d point out that this is a really small disagreement we’re having. Our projections are only separated by about 250 yards of production and maybe 15-20 catches—but the debate does have interesting implications for the offense. It seems like I’m projecting ‘good & valuable’ while you’re projecting ‘great & integral.’ Statistically it’s not that much but philosophically it’s pretty important.

I don’t take issue with your being a fan of Landry’s abilities. The guy will absolutely be an exciting player to watch this season and no doubt a fan favorite. However, I still think you’re unrealistic in your view of how this offense has been and will be structured.


It seems like you view Landry as the star but I don’t see things evolving that way. I don’t see Bill Lazor ignoring the talent on the outside for the sake of Landry getting touches. I say that because I think Lazor is a smart guy and I don’t see this offense reaching its maximum potential if it’s featuring Landry as heavily as you’re calling for. To me, we saw what a lot of Landry gives you—it equates to the dink and dunk stuff we got last year. I have no doubt that more Landry would equate to Tannehill having Chad Pennington-esque efficiency numbers (which is a positive thing) but that’s not really what this offense needs in order to evolve beyond what it has been with Ryan Tannehill at the helm which, defense collapse aside, is not dominant.

I’d like to see this offense become as dangerous as the one’s in Denver, Indy and Green Bay, always capable of putting up 30+ points. I don’t think that featuring Landry as you describe would give you enough explosiveness and big-play potential to do that. You need physical assets like Parker, Cameron and the speed of someone like Stills to accomplish that.


Furthermore, I don’t think that at any point this offense will be run through anyone. It’s a misconception that a great many successful offenses were built that way anyhow. There are several examples of offenses defaulting to special players who are just physically dominant: Pittsburgh's passing game heavily features Antonio Brown, Dallas’ heavily features Dez Bryant, Detroit’s heavily features Calvin Johnson, New England’s heavily features Gronkowski, New Orleans’ (did) heavily feature Graham, but no one is making the case for Landry dominating on physical size/strength. Even a lot of the team’s that do tend to feature a single guy are forced to do so because those are the only guys that reliably get open: Cincinnati with Green, Atlanta with Julio Jones, Indy with TY Hilton, Philly with Jeremy Maclin, etc. Most offenses want to move the ball by spreading it around. Certainly ours does by design.

In general, it’s not advantageous to run through one guy unless you really have to and he’s really that supremely unstoppable. For example, Green Bay has a ton of weapons. Nelson is the biggest threat but Cobb, Lacy and others are huge factors, too. Indy is another example that just spent the offseason diversifying their offensive roster. Denver too is a team that makes use of a big list of weapons.

I think of most successful offenses more as being the “sum of their parts” where the presence of one player helps the production of all the others as opposed to units that feature an individual player because that player is just so good that winning demands you involve that guy. In most cases, featuring a single player turns out to be a bad idea. Most of the units that feature a single player never have enough balance or enough answers to go the distance.

Miami is going to have every opportunity to spread the ball around and get match-ups everywhere. To think that a single player will be irreplaceable in all of it is unwise from my perspective.

 

Hmmmm, going into year 2, Jarvis Landry reminds me of.............Jarvis Landry...under rated by many....I guess that deep ball 60 yard bomb that Tannehill hit Landry in stride for six was, according to a few fans projections, a "fluke"...not to me...I have been telling everyone since he was drafted that he can go deep and make defenses pay....but, I will say, that I like him moving under the radar.

 

If we're going to throw it 600 times there is definitely enough targets to go around. We get the "feeling" the staff has a role for Landry in mind, and what the number of catches they want.

But if it's 100 catches, 150 targets, and 9 ypc I'll be disappointed. If Landry can get to at least 10.0 ypc, if not 11.0 ypc, it won't be so bad. Wes Welker/Edelman numbers. That's fine. But I don't want just a Wes Welker. I'd like a Randy Moss above him as well, or a Gronkowski next to him with 1,300 yards in his rookie season.

I want Parker/Stills/Jennings going ham, in addition to Landry getting his lunchpail catches. Then we'll be a real threat.

 

it's an interesting debate because I don't think you need the so called alpha male either( wanted to get rid of Marshall) but Landry is unique as he is the chain moving type, I think with him getting the most targets creates an efficiency combined with perimeter threats,that is a formula that I want to see, I just think the way you talk about him sounds as if you've closed his ceiling, for me, I think I did that with him coming into the draft, now it's back open, that something that I gave wiggle room for him in his college career is coming to fruition.. I think there's more to his game

 

Yep! Poor little Wesley Wanker. Still sitting on the sidelines looking across the field and wondering what it would be like to play for a champion.