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Straight Outta Philbin

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 21, 2015.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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  2. GARDENHEAD

    GARDENHEAD Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    And of course, Armando's gotta make it all about Armando.
     
  3. JPPT1974

    JPPT1974 2022 Mother's Day and May Flowers!

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    Glad he is doing a great bond with the team. That could help!
     
  4. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Philbin trying different tactics to bond w/his players is the same story we heard last season. And it's just as nice to hear now, as it was then. That's not my concern though. Can he properly prepare a football team for 16 weeks in the regular season? Did he learn when it's appropriate to call time outs? Has he loosened up his coaching style, or is he still conservative to the point of being queasy? Did Joe Philbin learn anything about being a coach is a far more pressing issue than stories about bed checks, movies, etc...
     
  5. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I wonder if he has made the trip down to speak with The King (Jimmy Johnson). He could learn a thing or two about coaching from him. And before everyone goes nuts yes I know Jimmy didn't work out for us. Doesn't change the fact that Johnson was a great coach and even Belichek goes down to speak and learn from him almost every year.
     
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  6. Fin D

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    Philbin has not been a conservative coach. He's had conservative moments here and there (ALL coaches do, from Belichick to Kelly to Harbaugh) but he is not an overall conservative coach.
     
  7. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I don't care how he does it. If he has to hit gravity bongs with Reshad Jones, watch love stories with Tannehill, eat chicken and steak burritos with Olivier Vernon, spit freestyles with Lamar Miller, wrestle Alligators with Cam Wake and Suh...I don't care....just win some football games, lets stay healthy, lets win in December, and lets do something in the postseason.
     
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  8. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    That's crazy. It is too dangerous for Wake and Suh to wrestle alligators.








































    You'd have to find a way to convince the gators they'd be safe.
     
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  9. RoninFin4

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    Wake prefers Tigers anyway. Everyone knows this. :shifty:

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  10. Larry Little

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    This is the mark of a man who is more concerned for his team than himself. Unfortunately, the gesture will be lost on people who are the opposite.
     
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  11. Fineas

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    I'm neither praising nor criticizing this movie thing. I think its value depends on whether the players perceive it as authentic, or just something Philbin read or was told the players would like. If they feel it is contrived and non-authentic, it could backfire. Not in a huge way because I think it is a small thing either way, but people can lose respect for a leader when they perceive the leader is being phony in an attempt to artificially gain their favor.
     
  12. SuhMe

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    He's just been a bad coach, that's all. I'm sorry but some end of game clock management decisions that fall directly on him have been horrendous (GB timeout). I really respect him as a person though, and believe he has the intelligence to learn from his previous mistakes and become a quality NFL head coach. That's what I'm praying for at least.
     
  13. Fineas

    Fineas Club Member Luxury Box

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    The GB timeout was a bad decision and there were others, but the truth is that all coaches make bad decisions in those situations from time to time.
     
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  14. Fin D

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    No he hasn't.

    There's been 5 times as many excellent half time adjustments as there have been bad calls at the end of a game. He and his staff have developed virtually all of the talent on this roster. And most importantly, they reevaluate every year to try and improve everything from scheduling to technology.
     
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  15. SICK

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  16. Alex13

    Alex13 Tua Time !!! Club Member

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    lol

    i think the players liked it paysinger had a nice tweet about it

    [video=twitter;634523512733061121]https://twitter.com/SpittyP/status/634523512733061121[/video]
     
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  17. jw3102

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    I agree CK, every team in the league right now has a HC who is bonding with his players.
    My biggest concern going into this season isn't the OL, the secondary, LB corp or any of the other positions on the playing field. My biggest concern is Philbin. Right now everything is great because the team has its most talented team in well over a decade.

    I just wonder how Philbin and his players will react when they go through the rough periods during the season, which all teams do. The last couple of seasons the Dolphins just seemed to quit playing for Philbin late in the season. Hopefully this will be the year he proves he deserves the faith Ross has shown in him, but to me he still has a lot to prove as a head coach in the NFL.
     
  18. jw3102

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    Five times as many excellent half time adjustments as bad calls at the end of the game? Yet his record as the Dolphins HC is 23-25. Somehow all those excellent half time adjudgements have yet to lead to a single winning season by the players Philbin and his coaches have developed the past three seasons.

    Perhaps it will all come together this season. But right now Philbin deserves his ranking as one of the NFL head coaches who is most likely to be fired if his team doesn't make the playoffs this year.
     
  19. Fin D

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    You have to understand, the logical outcome of what you're professing is that player talent doesn't matter.
     
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  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    Crazy mother ****er named Philbin,
    Head coach of the Miami Dolphin
     
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  21. CrunchTime

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    Its on the job training at our and especially Ross expense.He is a multibillionaire .Maybe because he is a good judge of people .
    I thought Philbin should have been fired but I am not the one to make those decisions and he is the HC of our beloved Dolphins so I am supporting him .So should you IMO.
     
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  22. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

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  23. Fin D

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    A Car Pulls Up, Who Can It Be
    Dat ***** Sagulero sayin we need an OG
     
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  24. Piston Honda

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    Ironically, Philbin's nickname comes from a call he made bc he was concerned about the offensive line. What position on the team are fans almost universally most concerned about? Offensive line.

    There's talk that the season could be ruined if the offensive guard position isn't addressed in a major way. OG, probably the least important position on the field. So, who's calling who Queasy, is it the pot or the kettle?
     
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  25. firedan

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    So was the flick worth a look?
    Has Queezy P given his review?
    Are they looking for Guards and a safety during intermission?
     
  26. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Oh my lord. This is the funniest thing I have seen on here in a long time. Bravo Sick!
     
  27. Paul 13

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    Showed my wife that pic and she laughed then asked "Is that Fillman?"

    p.s. - We saw the movie last night and it was really good.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  29. roy_miami

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    If Tannehill wasn't such a choke artist maybe he wouldn't have to try win football games with the perfectly played timeout?
     
  30. LI phinfan

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    My eyes just fell out of my head reading this... Are you actually serious? Tannehill is the least of this team's worries. But then again it would go against your hater agenda with RT. Choke artist?? Lol
     
  31. cbrad

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    Haha! Yeah, roy_miami is going to have to climb down a bit from that "choke artist" comment or it's just bait (deserved, I might add) for those who claim Tannehill is being unfairly portrayed.

    I think what is true is that Tannehill isn't that high on the "game-winning drives" stat: he averages less than 2 per year, while someone near the top of the list will average 3+ per year (leaving out exceptions like RW that have 5 per year). But that's not a reason to say Tannehill's a "choke artist".
     
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  32. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    He's also 0 for 9 at closing out games in the four minute drill when we've had one score leads, which leads to philbin having to try to win games with defensive timeouts, which he's actually been successful at doing several times, he was a perfect 5 for 5 before it didn't work vs Green Bay. Bruce Ariens kodaked vs the Eagles last season and won. Andy Ried kodaked vs the Seahawks last season and won. But the one time it doesn't work for Philbin against one of the all time great QBs he's a moron for even thinking about trying it...
     
  33. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    These are all of our 4 minute drill attempts (its ridiculous we've had so many in three seasons and its even more ridiculous we fail to convert at 100%):


    2012
    week 4 Cardinals 7 point lead with 3 minutes left. sack/fumble/TURNOVER
    week 5 Bengals 4 point lead with 2 minutes left. PUNT
    week 6 Rams 3 point lead with 2 minutes left. PUNT
    2013
    Week 2 Colts 4 point lead with 4 minutes left. PUNT
    Week 6 Bills 1 point lead with 3 minutes left. SACK/TURNOVER
    Week 11 Chargers 4 point lead with 2 minutes left. PUNT
    Week 12 Panthers 3 point lead with 4 minutes left PUNT
    2014
    Week 6 Green Bay 4 point lead with 2 minutes left. PUNT
    Week 10 Detroit 3 point lead with 3 minutes left. PUNT
     
  34. Fin D

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    Let me see if I get your point.....

    We have the LEAD in a "4 minute drill" and we lose and that's on Tannehill....who plays on.....offense?
     
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    Not sure why you're using "4-minute drill" here.. isn't that when the offense has the LEAD?

    I think it's best to look at 4th quarter comebacks. Tannehill has 7 in 3 years, and the breakdown is 1 in 2012, 4 in 2013, 2 in 2014. So, in the last 2 years he has as many 4th quarter comebacks as the cases you listed.

    And anyone who saw how that Mario Williams strip sack occurred in that Buffalo game in 2013 would NEVER list that as a negative on Tannehill.

    Point is, success 50% or so of the time (if that's really the correct result) in the 4th quarter is not something you'd say is indicative of a "choke artist" QB.
     
  36. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    Its a pretty significant advantage if the QB can end the game on one play, a-la what Rodgers did to the Patriots last season. The Packers were in an almost identical situation against the Patriots as we were against the Packers, they had the ball and a 4 point lead (5 points for them, but the same difference) with less than 4 minutes left. And Rodgers was able to complete the passes he was asked to complete. They never had to punt. The defense didn't have to make a stop to win. Its huge when your offense can win its fair share of games with the lead and give the defense a break once in a while.

    Also, against Buffalo Sherman said he called a run and Tannehill changed the play to a pass. I don't mind changing the play but if you're going to do it better understand there is a good chance Mario Williams and the rest of the defense is amped up in that situation, so I absolutely blame the QB (so did Sherman).
     
  37. cbrad

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    I agree it's a huge advantage if Tannehill could improve on the 4-minute drill. I'm just saying that's a bit cherry picking one situation and doesn't justify saying he's a "choke artist".

    btw.. here are some stats on the 4-minute drill from 2011-2013:
    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfls-four-minute-offense-prevent-offense

    50% of the time offense punts, and of the 16 out of 23 times they make a FG, no 1st down was made, meaning it was all due to field position. TD's are made only 7.5% of the time.
     
  38. roy_miami

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    Again, and I haven't looked at every QB, but the lest I checked Luck and Wilson had 5 opportunities to close out games in the 4 minute drill between them (if memory serves I believe they converted on them all). So other QBs seem to have way less opportunities, and when they have them they win at least some of the games themselves.
     
  39. cbrad

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    No I got that.. but you do understand that the 4-minute drill isn't the only thing you should look at before saying a QB is a "choke artist". Just saying the label isn't justified.
     
  40. roy_miami

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    Cool article. I was going to point out that most of our 4 minute drives end with a pass play which seems to be much more aggressive than league average until I saw this in the article:
    Also on average teams are successful at running out the clock 33% of the time, which is a hell of a lot better than we are (interestingly, our one closeout came when we ran on all 3 downs).

    And lastly I can't believe the team with the lead wins at 92% I would have guessed it would be closer to 70%
     

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