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Barkley vs. Moore?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Aug 23, 2015.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Purely theoretical as I don't think this is at all likely, however, with news that the Eagles have Matt Barkley on the trading block...

    [video=twitter;635213542841544704]https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/635213542841544704[/video]

    ...IF Barkley could be had for less than Moore is currently making ($2,600,000 per Sportrac), would you cut Moore and take Barkley as a number 2?
     
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  2. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    If preseason is an indication of Matt Moore's ability to run this offense? Barkley would probably be preferable.
     
  3. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Moore might still be the perfect guy for us, I don't know. As I just said in the other thread, Moore is probably only a few starts away from being his normal self. He's a guy who's had absolutely no playing time so of course he doesn't look sharp.

    Now, you could argue that with a strong defense (which some think Miami will have), what you want would be someone who'll either (1) protect the ball and avoid risk or (2) someone who'll go out and play like Ken Stabler or Russell Wilson--someone who's not afraid to make a daring throw which might be the thing that helps win your the close game.

    I don't know if the back-up QB matters that much but I'll certainly agree that Moore, right now, doesn't look like someone who's playing at a level worthy of 2.6M.
     
  4. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    "for the right deal.." uh... how about we wait till you cut him and some team will pick him up? No team is throwing second/third round picks for Barkley...
     
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  5. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    No. Moore is a backup QB. If Tanny goes down, the season is over anyway. I wouldn't trade even a 7th rounder for a backup QB.

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  6. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I would absolutely trade a low round pick for Barlkey, install him as the number 3 QB, and then look for him to be RT17's long term backup from 2016 onward.
     
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  7. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    it's taken you to this preseason to see that moore sucks? he had 1 decent year in carolina, everything else he has done as a pro is god awful.
     
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  8. MikeHoncho

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    If only Resident Dumbass Dion Jordan weren't completely useless/suspended...
     
  9. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    With Moore and Freeman back there I don't see a reason to trade for Matt Barkley. Moore seems to be one of those guys that is ready to play if he has to, despite not looking all that sharp. Between him and Freeman, the backup QB position isn't really all that critical right now. Both Moore and Freeman have proven that they can play in this league at a high level.
    I don't even want to think about Tannehill getting injured....We need to protect him....Maybe look at upgrading the O line any way possible before the season starts.
     
  10. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This.
     
  11. Georgia Fin

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    Can't believe people have not learned their lesson with Eagles backup QBs. No thanks
     
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  12. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I'd go a 7th...or Dion, if even Chip would take him (which I doubt at this point). I've always liked Barkley...and if he were $1M+ less than Moore, I see no reason why not to bring him in. Then again, this isn't considering how much Moore has had to do with RT's development. Haven't heard anything about it, but there have been tons of backups that have helped the starter quite a bit.
     
  13. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    The primary reason it wouldn't happen is Tannehill. He loves Moore. Evidently he and Matt basically run the meetings.

    Tannehill will object, and coaches will cite some nonsense about messing with the dynamics of the meeting room (which may or may not be valid), Marino will side with Tannehill and Moore for whatever his opinion counts, and then it won't happen.

    But the Dolphins did try and trade for Barkley as a third before they signed Josh Freeman. A Philadelphia journalist was very specific about that because he was trying to explain to Philly fans why the Eagles began a sudden dalliance with Tim Tebow but then put it on hold for a week or so. He explained that the reason the Eagles had to delay was because they had been ironing out a trade with Miami for Barkley, but Miami changed their mind and signed Josh Freeman rather than give up a price for Barkley. So the Eagles had to switch gears and figure out how to make room for Tebow at the position. That may have been when they decided to make GJ Kinne a receiver.

    Bill Lazor loves Barkley.
     
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  14. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    Cmon guys. What do you think RT would look like playing with the unit Moore had to play with?
     
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  15. RoninFin4

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    Better.
     
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  16. huck1974

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    I agree. Not a fair evuation though.
     
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  17. SuperMarksBros.

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    This. You cant lose your franchise qb and still have big expectations. Roll with the backup and move on.
     
  18. Vertical Limit

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    How sad is it now looking on it.... that we would actually offer Dion for Barkley... I even forgot Dion existed.... can we cut his *** already?
     
  19. P h i N s A N i T y

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    Just realizing Moore must be the second longest tenured player, behind Wake. Still glad he's our backup because the Bills/Jets/& even Pats would probably have him starting week 1. I'm intrigued by Barkley, but backup QB should be the least of our concerns.
     
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  20. byroan

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    Denney is the longest tenured.

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  21. ChrisKo

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    You forget about the longest tenured player, John Denney!
     
  22. P h i N s A N i T y

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    I knew that was coming... I never forget the LS, but I try to. Also Fields has been around a while now.
     
  23. CrunchTime

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    If Lazor becomes the head coach then I think Barkley would be someone he would be interested in .But that would only occur if Philbin has a disastrous season and Lazor would be named the interim HC.....not likely since Coyle is senior to him.

    By then Barkley would be on another team.Nice thought that I agree with but Karma seems to be in the way.

    For those who think Barkley if cut would land on our squad it would require a trade of Moore before the end of the preseason .Barkley is not eligible to be on our PS as far as I know .
     
  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    What? Matt Moore played very well for us in 2011 and he also played well when Tannehill got hurt in 2012 against the Jets.

    Moore is a perfectly capable backup QB.
     
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  25. Ohio Fanatic

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    It's less about Moore and him being a very mediocre (at best) #2 QB in the league and more about the money they are paying him to do it. Moore has shown absolutely no ability IMO to run this offense, just doesn't fit his skill set. So, why would you overpay him to be our backup?
     
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  26. P h i N s A N i T y

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    this is all your opinion, based on very little data.... the team seams to think differently.
     
  27. ckparrothead

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    Bill Lazor would get the nod over Coyle in an interim situation, IMO.

    Have to remember that a movement built over last year and during the off season to see Kevin Coyle out the door. Philbin had to go to bat for him and make a decision after long deliberation to keep Coyle in place.

    Also have to keep in mind something about any scenario that could get Philbin fired during the year.

    Expectations are high on both sides of the football, but they're very high on the defensive side due to the personnel and the strength of the defensive line with Suh as an addition. Due to strong preseason showings and general excitement surrounding Suh and the defensive line, people are expecting a defense that allows sub-20 points per game. Yet, we're not far removed from a final month of 2014 where the defense was allowing something like 36 points a game after Louis Delmas went down with an injury. Delmas is down again and it sucks and everyone acknowledges that, but I think the optimism and excitement has run straight through any kind of accounting of the possibility that his injury could have a similar effect as it did a year ago.

    So what would be the form of Philbin's destructor? In my opinion it would be the defense allowing a lot more damage through the air than we all thought it would have, perhaps also being softer on the edges than we'd have thought as well. I think we can trust that Suh will blow up the middle.

    I don't think we're going to find ourselves losing a bunch of games and pissing everyone off because the offense can't score. I trust Ryan Tannehill's operation of Bill Lazor's offense that way, especially with the new receivers unit, more than I trust Kevin Coyle's operation of a defense missing Louis Delmas.

    But I really believe even if you take aside speculation over which side of the ball lets us down most in a losing scenario, Coyle's being nearly fired this off season probably guarantees his not ascending to the title of interim HC.
     
  28. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    moore sucks. there are better backups around.
     
  29. fin13

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    The problem with moore is his salary which I think it's 5 million, this salary was acceptable when RT was getting paid dick now I think we are at 22 to 23 million with the 2 qb's
     
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  30. Rocky Raccoon

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    Ok, name them. Who would you bring in to replace Moore as the #2.
     
  31. Unlucky 13

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    I don't think that there's anyone "on the street" who's better than Moore is. I also think that at this point, he's a "sunk cost" for the 2015 season, and that you have to factor in the human aspect of his relationship with RT and the coaches. However, I was totally on board with moving on from him each of the past two offseasons, and I am again following 2015.
     
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  32. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    rg3, matt hasselback, jake locker, mike vick.
     
  33. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I like Locker too, but he's retired. Dogkiller is hopefully done too. Hasselback and Griffin are....ya know....on other teams, so we can't go out and sign them. This is very likely Hasselback's last season, too.
     
  34. dolphin25

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    I'll take sucking if that means a 13 play drive for a TD by a QB who was 4 for 4 on 3rd down completions. I'll keep Moore.
     
  35. rafael

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    I agree. I just think Moore is a bad fit for this system. If we'd had a guy like Barkley through camp I expect he would have beat Moore out, however at this point replacing Moore doesn't make sense.
     
  36. Sleepy

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    To be fair to Moore, Tannehill would look just as bad playing alongside those scrub 2nd and 3rd stringers.
     
  37. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    chancer are higher that the longer the drive the more apt he is to throw a int... regardless of how many passing plays occur.
     
  38. Clark Kent

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    Michael Vick? I don't respect Michael Vick as a person. JMO. Don't really want to get into that. I'm talking as a pure football player only...

    1. Michael Vick is talented. Obviously at 34 and all the punishment, those talents have diminished a bit. But Michael Vick can still sling it w/anyone and can run a little.
    2. Injury issues make it hard to justify him as a starter, but he's a solid backup and spot starter. Could come off the bench if an injury occurred and win a game.
    3. Familiar w/Bill Lazor and his system. Prior to his hamstring injury and subsequent emergence of Foles, he was playing well in Kelly's system.
    4. Good weather/conditions for a guy like Vick in Miami.

    Honestly, Vick would make a good backup in Miami. As for Moore, I like him as a backup. In fact, he's one of the better backups in the league. I think this offense fits him just fine. He's a 2nd string QB who has starting experience, leadership, liked by teammates, etc... Just because he's not having a great pre-season, doesn't mean he sucks (not directed at you, Unlucky13). He's playing w/guys fighting to make the roster... Put him in w/the starters, and I think he looks fine. Not great, but certainly serviceable and above average relative to other back ups.
     
  39. Unlucky 13

    Unlucky 13 Team Raheem Club Member

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    I don't want any part of dogkiller. I've hated him as a player since he was a freshman at VT. Hated him as a person since before his crimes were made known.
     
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