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Dion Jordan suspended for 2015 season

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Sumlit, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Cam Wake went to Canada, after quitting his mortgage broker job, to play for 70k per yr and work as a personal trainer. No TV, no distractions, no partying etc.

    He famously leapt and grabbed a bill from a 12 foot tall ceiling on a locker room bet.

    Dion Jordan is no Cameron Wake
     
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  2. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    We traded up for an athlete not a football player.. That was the big mistake right there..
     
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  3. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    At this point he's not even Dion Jordan...
     
  4. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I'm done with Dion Jordan, but it has nothing to do with this picture. His attitude and drug abuse is enough. Time to move on. He's too expensive and too raw to keep around. Even if he was in tip top shape.

    Having said that, this picture is not even that bad... Seriously. Dion Jordan could easily whip himself into shape in no time. He's an elite athlete (not football player, athlete). Most of them do gain weight in the off-season. It's not very healthy being single digit body fat year round. This isn't Jamarcus Russell showing up 300lbs to Raiders camp. But like I said, **** Dion Jordan for other reasons. His lack of passion and commitment to the game and to the team is enough for me to realize he's damaged goods.
     
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  5. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Indeed...he straight-up stole from the team...and shat on the fans in the process. /peace
     
  6. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Or he's a young man improperly prepared for life, especially a life of riches in a city known for the pursuit of pleasure. He has character/maturity issues. Those don't form or get resolved overnight. It's a pain and it's a frustration that he hasn't worked out so far, and maybe never will, feels like a waste of a pick, but I don't see that this was malicious. He's going to hurt himself far more than the Dolphins and the fans. I hope he can get himself together. As others have said, he has such a gift in front of him, it would be so sad to see him just leave it to the side and walk away.
     
  7. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Lane Johnson....
     
  8. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Sad, yes. Do I have pity for him? Hell no. He's had guidance, sorry, but it's all on him making stupid decisions, decisions that financially impact several people. He can piss off. He's had 2nd and 3rd chances.
     
  9. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Brandon Albert... Johnson would of cost the 3rd overall + 2nd rounder to move up. BA was on the shopping block for a 2nd rounder only. Jeffy was to busy spending money on Mike Wallace, Brandon Gibson, Wheeler, Ellerbe and thought Martin would be OK, despite the warning signs of mental instability.

    Could of had Richardson or Star Lotulelei at 11. Or traded down and recouped the 2nd rounder spent on Albert, and picked a whole host of players including Tyler Eifert, Shariff Floyd, Xavier Rhodes, Desmond Trufant, DeAndre Hopkins, etc... ****ing Ireland man.
     
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  10. SuhMe

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    Damn Ireland, Tannehill, Lamar, Simms, Pouncy, Thomas, Mathews, Wake, Vernon, Koa, Jelani, Reshad, Jamar, and Grimes are really screwing up this team lmfao.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    honestly should have stayed put and drafted Long. Could have had a beast guard. Thats what i said at the time thhen i looked into dion and was sort of sold that he might be good but nope, was fooled..
     
  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Just a thought...

    Are we positive that picture was really Dion Jordan?
     
  13. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I think that most agree that Ireland did bring in a few guys that have benefited the team here. It's just that his misses were so obvious as to make you scratch your head at the time and wonder what the heck he was thinking.
     
  14. LBsFinest

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    Lol you are really reaching with half these names.
     
  15. Destroyer

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    Don't forget Vontae, Sean Smith and Odrick.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    yes
     
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  17. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Tannehill is on Philbin and Sherman. Simms isn't very good. Michael Thomas? Matthews has barely played. Vernon is inconsistent. Koa Misi is always hurt, passed on Gronk too. Jamar Taylor hasn't done chit. And Brent Grimes was signed a year after trading one of the best CB's in football, Vontae Davis. You sure showed me!
     
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  18. SuhMe

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    Way to leave out Pouncy, Wake, Jelani, Reshad lol. And he drafted Tannehill smart one, not Sherman/Philbin. And how's that piece of garbage Dallas Thomas doing now? Just wait for Jamar and Matthews this year too, and Koa is solid, you're just an ignant hater lmfao. Oh yea, and Vernon was a third round pick. You sure showed me BAHAHAHA (bad pick with Clay in the 6th too). If he was half as bad as most Dolfans believe, he wouldn't be the assistant GM in New Orleans, but unlike most of us Dolfans, they're not stupid over there and that's why they've got a ring.
     
  19. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    I think everyone acknowledges that Ireland could find talent. Every GM including Matt Millen can find talent. What Ireland really sucked at was roster building and filling obvious holes that would bite us year in and year out.

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  20. cbrad

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    No question Ireland had some successes, but there's a reason he was so reviled. His "find an acorn" approach led to some nice finds in the lower rounds, but missed far more than should be tolerable in the higher rounds (especially the 2nd!). Some of his free agent signings literally hurt this team, both from a roster quality point of view as well as the cap, for several years. I mean look what he did with the LB situation: got rid of Dansby and brought in Ellerbe and Wheeler. Or Mike Wallace, a good WR but not a system fit, etc..

    So yeah, Ireland had successes, but his failures were so bad that it's hard to focus on the successes, and wasting a 1st and 2nd on Jordan isn't helping matters (though for some reason the Pat White pick still just sticks out more than all the others).

    In any case, you can't argue that just because someone has a job in the NFL that the team they work for wasn't stupid in hiring him. If that were the case, they'd never fire people. Would you say Wannstedt wasn't half as bad as we think because he had winning records like we never had under anyone except Shula? Or because he was hired again afterwards? No.. that man helped destroy a once proud franchise (wasn't the only reason but a big one).

    So yeah, despite some important successes (esp. Tannehill, though almost any GM in that situation would have done the same), I think Ireland deserves the blame he's gotten around here.
     
  21. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    that's what I was wondering too lol
     
  22. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    For what its worth..Omar had said he wouldnt post that pic, because it could not be verified that it was in fact Jordan.
     
  23. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well it looks like Jordan and he definitely posted this pick to his Instagram account. So he was at some beach resort at the time and the chick looks the same. Not conclusive but to channel my inner Ted Wells, more probably than not.

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  24. SuhMe

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    Vinny Cerrato. Who btw never found another NFL job in any capacity after being a GM for over half a decade.
     
  25. SuhMe

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    Other than Dion Simms and Reshard Matthews who both have developed nicely they are all startes. 3/4ths of our starting secondary are Irelands guys, half our d line, and 2/3's of our starting lb's. What a reach lmfao.
     
  26. SuhMe

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    He deserves plenty of blame, but gets no where near enough credit for drafting and signing the players he did. New Orleans noticed however and that's all I care cuz there front office knows more any Dolfan on the planet. Oh yea, and Seattle's front office too. SuhMe b******, thank god for Daniel Tosh or I'd be the biggest a****** Dolfan in the world lol.

    http://tosh.cc.com/video-clips/zf4vvs/unauthorized-biography-of-nick-saban
     
  27. cbrad

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    So let's just be clear.. you'd never criticize the hiring of a coach or GM that already has a record in the NFL because the people who hired them "know more than we do". Or the signing of a FA because "they know more than we do", etc..

    Yeah, I can't get behind that mentality. Do you do that with everything? Like with politics? Politicians usually make decisions having more information about what they're deciding on than most voters. You don't criticize them either even if they have a track record, just because "they know more than we do"?
     
  28. SuhMe

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    Well when 2 recent previous superbowl winning teams hire a man for scouting purposes, that's significant imo. Just like the contributions he made to this team e.g Tannehill (who yes, I know most GM's would have taken, except of course the 6 teams ahead of us because Luck doesn't count). How's Trich and Mark Barron looking now lol. And it's not like TB and CLE couldn't have used a QB, Tannehill was a big risk at the time. But go ahead, say it was all Philbin and Sherman, even though Ireland had control of the 53 and draft. And btw I don't do politics, don't care, but fooseball, that's my jimmy jams.
     
  29. cbrad

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    Why did we fire him then if he was so good? Why didn't Seattle and NO hire him as a GM? Why did Seattle decide they didn't want Ireland after a month of checking him out. Helping scout players he may be good at, but "those than know more" seem to think he's not a good GM.
     
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  30. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Seattle kept him at scouting, and he's not there anymore...after 1 season. That's more significant to me.
     
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  31. SuhMe

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    We fired him because he wanted to can Ross's boy Philbin. When you want to fire a guy that your boss wanted all along, that can be a problem (Even Ross refereed to this schism when Ireland got the boot). And there's only 30 real GM spots in the league at most because of control freaks like Chip Kelly and Andy Reid, extremely difficult to land and retain which is why the position league wide has such a high and quick turnover rate. I know Ireland wasn't great, the Vontae trade still irks me to this day, but he did do a hell of a lot of good work here just like Hickey and that's why in my opinion we are a top contender.
     
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    You shouldn't make excuses with Ross when it comes to Ireland's firing after saying all that matters for you is that "those that know more than we do" made the decision.

    He got fired because the "bad" outweighed the "good", which is a sentiment that happens to jibe with what the majority of fans had/have of Ireland's tenure here. And I see nothing in what Hickey has done so far that is comparable to the "bad" from Ireland. Has Hickey wasted a 1st and 2nd rounder on a bust? Has he picked anyone as bad in the 2nd round as Pat White? Has he given big contracts to way underperforming players like Wheeler and Ellerbe? Not yet. If he has a bust it looks like it will be a 3rd rounder or below.

    Point is, one can acknowledge the good Ireland did (esp. Tannehill), but you seem to be unwilling to see how the "bad" helps balance that out. If we're a contender today (dark horse, more like) then it's not just because of Ireland's "hits", it's also because Hickey and Tannenbaum helped clear out a lot of Ireland's "misses".
     
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  33. SuhMe

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    No, Tann the Man.
     
  34. SuhMe

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    Compared to most GM's since Ireland was hired, he did a fine job overall. Watch the majority of our starters on defense this year and Derrick Shelby, that should help you understand.
     
  35. cbrad

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    I doubt my opinion of Ireland will change regardless of what happens this year. Would any of the arguments I gave suddenly be nullified if we played well this year? No.
     
  36. SuhMe

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    Well like in soccer, If you f*** up as a striker for 89 minutes, and then score in the 90th, no one will remember the first 89. Tannehill, and guys like Reshad, are like goals to me, and in sports that's all that matters, scoring more than the opposition not "whiffing less", to each his own.
     
  37. Finster

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    But he didn't score more, that's the point, and especially in the 90th minute, that's when we can't score, unless we're down by 3, then who cares if you score in the 90th...

    Ireland failed as a GM, which is why he isn't a GM, he's better in a position where he's not making the decisions.
     
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    Yeah.. but whiffing less usually means scoring more :wink2:
     
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  39. SuhMe

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    I guess our opinions on Reshad, Tannehill, Lamar, the list goes on vary significantly. For being such a failure as a GM acquiring an assistant GM position ain't too bad lol.
     
  40. SuhMe

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    You must have never played soccer. If you ever did and played striker at a high level like myself, you would understand hits far outweigh misses, same is true with NFL GM's.
     

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