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Something ive been saying for two damn years!!

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin-Omenal, Aug 27, 2015.

  1. Fin-Omenal

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    http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=13517698

    His deep ball has been bad, most logical people get that. I noticed a couple seasons back his trajectory seemed off...he wasnt getting enough air under his throws and seemed to be throwing the deep ball on a line.

    Sounds like this problem was recognized and his mechanics have been changed.....this is good news for us as Dolphins fans that this ongoing hole in his game seems to have been remedied.
     
  2. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Interesting about the trajectory of his deep passes because I've felt the opposite. I thought his deep balls had too much rainbow in them, as oppose to keeping a lower trajectory ala Marino and Rodgers. I think that's been the general consensus too... It's hard to comment on his current mechanics because I haven't seen any good camera angles for his deep ball. Just shaky cam stuff from camp. Obviously, once the games get under way, I'll be able to comment more. Whatever the mechanical changes, they seem to be working. Good enough for me.
     
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  3. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Previously his throws were always lacking arc. That is without question. That's because 95% of what he's used to throwing are lasers on curls/comebacks. The previous years he's lacked any real ability to drop a ball into one of those windows.
     
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  4. Fin-Omenal

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    I've always thought he didn't adjust his body enough on the deep throws, if you watch a guy like Brees he sort of leans back after setting up with his elbows high and throws as accurate of a deep pass as you will find. It seemed he was too upright on his release and it was all arm and on a line.

    Throwing a deep ball on a line will result in some pretty bad accuracy issues.

    One of the reasons idc if its preseason or not in regards to those passes, you can actually see the mechanical difference. And that's encouraging.
     
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    Ha! You want to share with the forums your fav way to have a chick get you off??

    I have the text.
     
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  6. Fineas

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    It's not a single thing. The QB should not have the same trajectory on every deep pass because the WR, pressure, time of release, safety positioning, pass distance, etc. are different. I have felt many of his deep deep passes (45+ yards) lacked trajectory and would have been better with more arc and more opportunity for Wallace to run under it. But you don't necessarily want to throw a high arc 28 yarder or a high arc pass to a WR that is the type to beat his man early (with a move) but then lacks the long speed to maintain the separation far downfield (e.g., Hartline). You also don't want a high arc if the safety is in a position such that it will give him time to get there. Each play is different and the QB has to be able to "calculate" many factors in deciding (which is more of an instinctive reaction than a deliberate one) how to throw the ball.

    As a general rule, I think Stills will call for a higher arc pass to give him time to adjust and run under it.. Lower arc and earlier release for Landry and Jennings. Probably a higher arc and maybe slightly underthrown for Parker as he can excel in "jump ball" situations. But many other factors should go into it as well.
     
  7. Fin-Omenal

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    That makes sense.
     
  8. FinSane

    FinSane Cynical Dolphins Fan

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    He should've just had the balls deflated

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  9. Clark Kent

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    True. Rodgers always has that lean and bent knee on his back leg too.
     
  10. Clark Kent

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    True. Rodgers always has that lean and bent knee on his back leg. Same for Marino if you watch any of his deep ball highlights.
     
  11. Fineas

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    I don't really remember that with Marino. I never thought he was especially good at the true deep ball (40+ yards) and most of his shorter ones were low trajectory.

    As for Rodgers, the truth is he attempts very few of the true deep balls (40+ yards). He has attempted only 7 in the last 2 years (completing 3). He threw more earlier in his career, but wasn't especially good at it (11 of 43 = 25.6%) between 2009 and 2012.
     
  12. CrunchTime

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    I agree that Tanny has added the arced ball to great effect to his passing skills .In previous years he reminded me too much of Henne and Feeley in that they rifled the ball much of the time.

    Tanny can rifle them too when needed.:yes:
     
  13. 77FinFan

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    I wish I knew if Cameron was on his game and just some close drops, or.......
     
  14. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Nah, Dan was the truth w/ his deep ball. I'm on my phone ATM, but go check out YouTube and search for Marino highlights from a guy named slippery soap. He has Marino td highlights from almost every year. YouTube deleted a few but you'll get to see it for yourself. I know 1994 has a bunch.

    P.s. do you consider 40+ yards in the air a true deep ball? That's right around the max for arm strength w/ accuracy included. Very few QBs attempt those. Most don't have time. It takes a fast WR 4.3 seconds to run a 40. Never mind balls 40+ yards in the air. That's almost a hail Mary type of attempt in terms of time for a QB holding onto the ball
     
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    Marino, was probably the best, deep ball thrower in the league.40+ yarders. Pure beauty to watch.I have watched thousands of his throws over and over...Marino could flat out lay the ball beautiful over the shoulder bread basket passes and it would not surprise me to find out just how important Marino's work with Tanny since last year until now has been in helping Tanny improve the footwork, sliding in the pocket and the arc on the long ball. Everything just keeps getting better with Tannehill over time. He is becoming a real good QB, and has grown up right before our eyes..if he played 4 years at QB in college, this would be what his rookie year might have looked like, this year...I truly believe he will be around 105 this year, 4750 yards, 45 TD's, 8 int's, 400 yards rushing with 5 rushing TD's. Gonna be a beautiful season and if we stay healthy, and keep getting better, and stronger as the year goes along, then we just might be clicking on all cylinders, and possibly win it all. I have seen it happen so many times for others, this might be our time to start dominating for quite a few years. If we falter for any reason whatsoever this year, then Philbin, Coyle, & Benton will have to go.
     
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    I don't agree about Marino. Sure, he completed some over his long career but not that many and not so many over the shoulder breadbasket ones like you describe. To confirm my recollection in this regard I just watched all of his TD passes from the 1983 and 1986 seasons. Perfectly placed 40+ Yd passes generally go for TDs. In those two seasons combined he had 6 40+ yarders (in the air). One was a Hail Mary fluke. One the Wr had to stop and literally turn around to catch. One was a line drive pass to a wide open (by 10 yards) WR on a flea flicker. Another was a good pass but also line drive. Only 2 could even remotely be said to match your description.


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  20. padre31

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    That was always Henne's problem, he threw bullets not 3 pt shots.

    THill has improved, from TC vids anyway. Real issue to me is that should be one of a host of things he has improved on.

    Yr #4, the Wr stuff should be a distant memory and the game should be fast for him now, suspect we are seeing this on the field. Other thing I love about Tannehill is his mentality, for Dr he takes being a Qb very seriously
     
  21. jdang307

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    Dan Marino is one of the rare QBs who can throw it at a low trajectory and still have it drop right in with barely an adjustment by his WR. One of a kind. Tough to expect that out of anyone really.

    Start at 45 seconds in.

    [video=youtube;eTc3H-o0vGI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTc3H-o0vGI[/video]
     
  22. Fin4Ever

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    But of course..you are right as usual
     
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  23. Da 'Fins

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    Actually, Rodgers has more rainbow and worked on that (there's an espn point about his need for greater trajectory early in his career).

    No doubt another issue is his hesitancy. But, long passes are less about timing and more about just plain accuracy.

    And body angle, as the Rodgers breakdown shows, is vitally important to that accuracy.

    Marino is a different animal. There's no imitating him at this level. Having Tannehill try to do that, imo, would be like telling Zach Johnson to try to hit a driver like Dustin Johnson.
     
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  24. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Totally don't get that reference. I only watch real sports bruh :tongue2:
     

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