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Tyrod Taylor Named Bills Starting QB

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  1. NCPhinFan

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  2. JDelenne

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    Not surprised. I think he was in line to be the starter anyways.
     
  3. DolphinGreg

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    I don't understand why this took so long. TT was clearly the best option they had.

    I can't lie. The way TT looked in preseason scares me a bit. I liked him coming out of college not because of size or physical traits but he seemed like a great kid with a terrific attitude who was willing to work. I think he's finally going to get his shot and it won't help Miami's cause.
     
  4. NCPhinFan

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    His mobile ability is what scares me more than anything, but I think our improved defensive line will be able to handle it better than last year's defense. He looks like he has a good feel for their offense and has a decent arm. Dolphins/Bills games should be really fun this year.
     
  5. Stitches

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    Was hoping Cassel would win the job, followed by Manuel. Oh well, hopefully we just prove to be the better team and up to the challenge they'll present this year.
     
  6. slickj101

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  7. Clark Kent

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    When they put him back in the game and he threw another TD, I thought it was game set match for Manuel to get the job. Especially since they've got more invested into him.
     
  8. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Not surprised that Taylor has won the job. He's worked his *** of to get where he is at, and people better not sleep on what he can do in a game. Plays quite a bit like Michael Vick used to, so he's capable of making a name for himself in the league. Love Tyrod Taylor, hate that he plays for Buffalo.
     
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  9. djphinfan

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    Had him in my mock draft the year he came out..Thought he would win the job in buffalo..
     
  10. Piston Honda

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    Looks like they're going with the Sea hawks model. Not gonna work in a division with good QBs.
     
  11. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I'm not sure if that's true. Buffalo beat the piss out of Aaron Rodgers and the packers. If buffalo can get serviceable QB play, they have a chance to win this division. They were 9-7 with an inferior team compared to 2015. They are built for Buffalo winters too, w/defense and ground and pound.
     
  12. Tin Indian

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    I see the Bills giving us more trouble in the division than any other team. We know how to play the Pats and usually manage to get a split with them, but the Bills just seem to have it for us. If they can get average QB play they will be a force.
     
  13. Clark Kent

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    Edit: phone dbl post
     
  14. djphinfan

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    Not a bad model to try and replicate...Tyrod can play..gives them the best chance to win..Playmaker..efficient with his passes...Happy for him, he deserved his shot.
     
  15. ckparrothead

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    It's funny how everyone is saying how unsurprising this is.

    When Tyrod Taylor was added to a QB mix that involved E.J. Manuel and Matt Cassel, he was picked universally to be an afterthought in that race.

    The only other person aside from myself that I know of and that I read (either here or elsewhere) that flat out predicted Tyrod Taylor be the starting QB for the Bills was djphinfan.
     
  16. Rocky Raccoon

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    Put me in that former group. I didn't think anything of it when they signed Taylor. I thought he was strictly another arm to have during camp.
     
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  17. Clark Kent

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    I agree very few people predicted it, but I think people find it unsurprising because Rex has strongly hinted at it throughout OTAs, TC, and gave him the start in the 2nd pre-eason game after a strong performance in the 1st game. Personally, I thought Rex was blowing smoke and he would go w/Cassel initially and Manuel after the game he had against Pitt and general play throughout the preseason.

    The Tyrod Taylor experiment should be an interesting one. I wonder how short he leash is w/Manuel coming on hot. There's still a chance Rex bungles this QB situation given how all 3 QB's have performed. I love Rex as a coach, but only if he's got an established QB1.
     
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  18. Bpk

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    CK and DJ... I know you predicted Tyrod would be the starter... do you also think he makes the Bills a tougher opponent for us than if Manuel or Cassel were the starter?
     
  19. ckparrothead

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    Abso-effing-lutely.

    Evidently DJ says he didn't really project that he would be the starter, just that he should be the starter. I guess DJ underestimated the Bills coaching staff's ability to manage the depth chart, which is understandable. I still give him credit.

    But yeah, Tyrod Taylor is far scarier for us than a Matt Cassel or E.J. Manuel. Manuel would be scarier if he ever grew a pair and learned to play with some reckless abandon. Miami has been weak in the past to offenses that can bounce fast players (doesn't particularly matter who) from inside to outside. I was kind of hoping Chris McCain could make an impact that way, but that doesn't look as if it's happening so we're looking at a linebacking unit with Koa Misi and Kelvin Sheppard trying to contain that. That does not leave me confident. You're going to have Tyrod Taylor and LeSean McCoy working in concert with each other against our linebackers playing monkey-in-the-middle with little dump off passes...and IMO that's scary. You're also going to have to reckon with the threat of read-option between Tyrod and LeSean.

    Remember a year ago? Rex Ryan almost beat us with the running game pretty much by itself. Not counting Geno Smith's three scrambles, he ran the football with a combination of backs and receivers on end-arounds 45 times for 258 yards. It was one of the most lopsided displays of NFL play calling that I have seen in years, made all the more impressive by secular trends (more and more the NFL is a passing league), and the scary part is somehow it kept working. Not only that, it helped open the flood gates on an approach that really continued to work all the way through the end of the season, as offenses kept exploiting the soft edges of our defense by going inside-out on us.

    I know he's going to do the same thing this time around, especially now that he has LeSean McCoy and Tyrod Taylor. Not to mention Sammy Watkins, who burned us on an inside-out play a year ago for a touchdown. Oh and of course he has Percy Harvin again, throw in a Marquise Goodwin for good measure. Rex tends to be a guy that doesn't give a sh-t if you figure out what he's thinking because he still believes in the reasoning behind it. He's probably going to be pretty transparent on this one.
     
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  20. Clark Kent

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    Don't forget about Robert Woods, who is having a good camp from all reports.
     
  21. djphinfan

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    he's more accurate than mike Vick, and has that same type of elite escapability..So yes, I think he's better than the other two, and I think when you have a running game like that his skill set fits nicely, get your bulk of yardage on the ground, throw efficiently in the short game, and have a qb that can make a play out of nothing, combine that with a good defense, I believe you can win with that recipe, I think it's a dangerous opponent..prolly a pickem to a 1 or 2 point favorite ( for us)game On a neutral field.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    i don't,nice player
     
  23. DolphinGreg

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    Every time I have gotten to see TT he has scrambled well, handled pressure in the pocket well and been able to run an offense and deliver the ball to his WRs effectively.

    I'm not TT's agent. You won't hear my giving scouting reports of TT. I don't keep tabs on all the backups in the league. That said, there are more than a few people who saw something in the kid when he was coming out of college.

    It's "unsurprising" in the sense that we're seeing good things happen to a good prospect who many felt would eventually get a shot somewhere. It's not surprising that at some point TT was able to catch a coach's eye.

    "Funny" is not the word I would use for this situation. I think this went exactly as some people thought it would having seen the three battle it out. I think TT is clearly the best option for the Bills going forward. I have no respect for Matt Cassel at this point and the future for E.J. Manuel is not looking bright.

    Matt Cassel and EJ Manuel were not good options coming in. They were known commodities. As in, it's known that they aren't very good. At least TT has upside at this point. I felt he put quite a bit of that upside on display this preseason, hence he won the job. I think the question is really, why wouldn't he be winning the battle against two QBs who are known to be pretty bad?
     
  24. Piston Honda

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    Good post. I actually think Buffalo has more talent than any team in the AFC, outside of QB. If it's cold, windy, rainy, they can beat anyone. But TBH I'm not worried about them this year.

    The reason is bc they will no longer be able to bully the Dolphins. What Suh adds more than anything is the ability to just collapse the pocket. To pressure the QB without leaving any avenues of escape. A QB like Taylor, or even Wilson, simply can't produce consistently provided it can be done w/o blitzing or leaving CBs on an island. That's what the Bills are going to experience when they face the Dolphins.

    I still worry about the Bills D. They will be as tough as ever. But three and outs, bad field position, turnovers, the things I expect Miami's D to produce regularly, will take the starch out of any opposing D over the course of a game. With Tannehill and his new targets, I see an offense that can move the ball enough to at least flip the field and get a FG here and there early on. That'll be enough to force teams like Buffalo out of of their ground and pound comfort zone, and that will be their undoing. The Bills will be a tough out but they will get beat nonetheless.
     
  25. Clark Kent

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    Interesting note... Taylor didn't throw a single TD. I haven't seen any buffalo games in full, but how many scoring drives did Taylor lead? Did he struggle in the redzone?

    In Daily Fantasy, Tyrod Taylor is the cheapest starting QB at $20 bucks ($200 for the roster). I'm thinking about gambling on Taylor as a starter and loading up on WR and RB rather than go for overall balance. I don't think Indy has a defense worth fearing, Indy can't really game plan too much against Taylor, they've never seen him start. Buffalo is @ home too. I'm predicting Buffalo to win this game, so I might just gamble w/this kid and see what happens.
     
  26. PhinFan1968

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    I know I know...it's pre-season and all...AND it's PFF...and I'm bored waiting for the damn season to start already...but of starting QBs, for the pre-season collectively at this point...PFF has Cam Newton #1, Tyrod Taylor #2, Ryan Tannehill 6th.

    Caveat: Tyrod's combined score shows that well over half his grade was from rushing...RT's grade included just over 1/4th from rushing.

    And just for giggles, Cam Newton's combined rushing grade was -0.2, so his grade was all as a passer, coming in on top with a total grade of 6.4 (even after a negative grade from our game).

    Grappaho at 49th with a -2.1 total, Fitzpatrick at 32nd (including all QBs, not just starters...Marcia didn't have enough qualifying snaps evidently).

    And for Clark's question:

    Squeelers @ Jills -- Week 3:
    -- First Jills drive (TD) involved 3 rushes by Jackson ONLY. Think Manuel was playing, but QB doesn't much matter there.
    -- Second Jills drive (TD), Manuel was playing.
    -- Third Jills drive (Punt), Cassel was playing.
    -- Fourth Jills drive (Missed FG), Cassel was playing, missed FG by Carp.
    -- Fifth Jills drive (TD), Taylor playing, included an 18 yards in the air pass, the rest under 10 with some YAC, and a missed throw in the endzone...rushing TD.
    -- Sixth Jills drive (FG), Taylor playing, got the ball at the Squeelers 42 with :09 on clock 'til half, moved it 8 yards on a pass, kicked a 52 yd FG.
    -- Seventh Jills drive (TD), Taylor playing, had some short passes, ran for the TD from the 20 (Carpenter MISSED extra point!).
    -- Eigth and Ninth Jills drives (TDs), Manuel was playing.

    Jills @ Brownies -- Week 2:
    -- First Jills drive (Missed 46 yd FG by Carp), Taylor playing, hit SEVERAL 8 yd and under passes, took a sack.
    -- Second Jills drive (punt), Taylor playing, hit a 22 and 4 yd pass, missed a few deep ones, got 1 1st down, punt.
    -- Third Jills drive (FG), Taylor with a short pass, 21 yd run, missed deep pass, FG.
    -- Manuel in for the rest of the game.

    Panthers @ Jills -- Week 1:
    -- Jills First Two drives (Punt and Missed FG), Taylor wasn't in.
    -- Jills Third drive (TD), got the ball on their 45, Taylor missed his only pass attempt, rushed for 35 yards on 3 runs, got 17 yds from penalties, RB scored TD.
    -- Jills Fourth drive (TD), Taylor missed a few throws, scrambled a few times, hit some short passes, but was really helped because of YAC, RB got TD.
    -- Jills Fifth drive (downs), Taylor passed for 0 yds, passed for 2 yds, scrambled for 5, missed deep 4th down throw.
    -- Taylor was out the rest of the game.

    So in summary it would appear he feasted on 2nd/3rd stringers, and couldn't throw a TD, but his legs were deadly. Longest pass completed was 22 yds in the air.

    Also looks like Carp is trying to make us feel better for letting him go!
     
  27. Sleepy

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    I'll believe the hype when I see it.
     
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  28. fin13

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    I'm in Toronto and listen to Buffalo's radio, the press loves the Jills nothing like the Miami press, as far they are concerned they are going to the dance.
    **** they need Omar up here
     
  29. PhinFan1968

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    Ya man after reading those drives for those games, it REALLY seems like Manuel out-played him against better competition...I guess Sexy Rexy wants his own Mike Vick Jr. But with the defense they have, they can play short ball and win some games.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    I think that qb stabilizes that team.
     
  31. djphinfan

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    I dont think theres any hype, just a guy who won the job.
     
  32. Da 'Fins

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    Bills will be a viciously tough team. They are a great team outside of QB. And Taylor is a dangerous player who can play well enough to beat anyone.

    I'm amazed at some Dolphin fans who are so uber confident we'll handle Buffalo. We may beat them but it is a serious tossup at best. At Buffalo, they should be favored, imo.
     
  33. bran

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    im not worried about tyrod taylor.
     
  34. padre31

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    Rexxy the Coach is one of the best in the league imo, and that team has physical talent on both sides of the ball and Rexxy usually has great ST play. His act does wear out and he is a terrible talent developer, but the Bills are loaded with talent for the upcoming season.

    As for Taylor, what bothers me is Coyle's inability to effectively adjust, and our Lb corps is not particularly athletic outside of Jelani Jenkins with the, once again Philbin gonna Philbin, bizarre change in Chris McCain
     
  35. jpep13

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  36. ckparrothead

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    Robert Woods is easy to forget, IMO. I just have never liked the player that much. Very mediocre. Not quite Legedu Naanee, but not a mile off either. Woods is either tuned in and looking decent, or tuned out and looking like complete dog sh-t.
     
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  37. Vertical Limit

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    I will have to see it to believe it in the regular season and playoffs for me to believe the hype on this guy.. The Bills' QB controversy reminds me too much of our controversies in the past of Griese, Fiedler, AJ Feeley, Rosenfels.. nothing earth shattering..
     
  38. ckparrothead

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    Well let's not move the goal posts here. I don't think anyone is pretending this dude is elite. I don't even know that anyone has suggested he's franchise caliber. Most people are just saying that on a team that could have a potentially elite level defense, with guys like LeSean McCoy, Charles Clay, Sammy Watkins and Percy Harvin at the skill positions, not to mention an OL that don't look half-bad...then this is a dude that can lead them to some victories.

    Remember Jay Fiedler? That son of a ***** somehow managed to win 42 games with the Dolphins over the course of four seasons. And yeah I would forecast Tyrod to be a better QB than Jay Fiedler.
     
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  39. vt_dolfan

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    What scares the crap out of me...is the speed they have at Back, QB, and WR. Buffalo if they get their offense clicking...is going to be scarey. What worries you is that Taylor can buy enough time to allow Watkins to get open...good luck with that. Yeh..Ill have 20% more grey hair after the Buffalo games...
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    It's not just Watkins though because I think Percy Harvin is probably most dangerous when he's got a QB that can scramble around and work with him. The problem with Percy has always been health and attitude, and the fact he's an irregular receiver. Percy already gave a big fat endorsement to the choice of Taylor as the starting quarterback and I don't think that's coincidental, as he knows going back to college with Tim Tebow what tends to work best for him.

    Between LeSean McCoy, Percy Harvin and Charles Clay, I think the Bills have done a real good job setting up QB friendly options for an irregular style quarterback. Not to mention Chris Gragg, whom I liked a lot going back to college and has had a great preseason. Marquise Goodwin and Sammy Watkins are both good on east-west plays too. That was one of the few things Goodwin could do in college despite being mostly a track star playing football.

    They're not built to be a 35 point per game offense. They're built to steadily achieve 20+ a game, IMO. If the defense is as good as people speculate based on the combination of their personnel and Rex Ryan's aura...that's all they need.
     

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