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Redskins Writer's Take on the Dolphins Matchup

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Sep 4, 2015.

  1. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Dan Snyder is.
     
  2. Redskins202

    Redskins202 New Member

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    Yea bro I meam atleast he didn't crumble down and change our name .
     
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  3. padre31

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    ST always is over looked
     
  4. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    RG3 is going to be gone soon. You will still have an owner that makes the last years of Al Davis look sane and reasonable.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    who is blocking cam wake and N suh again?
     
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  6. shamegame13

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    Our CBs after Grimes might not set the world on fire, but I would still take em over anything that Washupton has. These guys really are delusional.
     
  7. nflfan

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    I am with this last post from Redskins 202 about it not being a rout. I am in South Florida, I've watched most of the Dolphins games for about 20 years running now, Redskins too. For the Dolphins to rout the Redskins 2 things would have to be in play. The Dolphins indeed make the big leap that granted many expect them to do. No way with all respect the 2014 version of the Dolphins rout the 2015 Redskins on the road. And the Redskins end up meeting people's worst expectations. Its possible. But in my opinion, I wouldn't bank on it. I think the wild card as to how this game goes is all about Kirk Cousins. Cousins as a player so far goes on wild rides, good-bad. You just never know what version shows up. As for him not being able to play without a running game, I don't buy it, his best games ironically were where he had no running games (against the Eagles, Browns) and he didn't do bad (granted preseason) when the Ravens shut down the running game. Yes, every QB benefits from a good running game but he's done all right without them. But yeah with or without a running game, he can have a game like he did against the Giants where he throws 4 picks. That's my long winded way of saying if the Dolphins come in and destroy the Redskins, it could be Cousins having one of those meltdown games. And even for Redskins fans, Cousins is a really hard read one way or another. Cousins takes chances, sometimes they work well, sometimes they backfire.

    In my opinion, this has the potential to be a close game. I'd say for me I'd be surprised if this isn't a competitive game. And few would call me a homer on the Redskins board.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

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    As long as Brent Grimes takes the field, the last thing you can call our corners are crappy, or even mediocre. He's a top 10 or even 5 corner in the league. And I think the light is finally going on for Jamar as well. Young guys who may be on the cusp, while a bonafide all-pro solidifies this unit as average or better. Certainly not "bad."
     
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  9. resnor

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    I'm not sure I'd refer to our DL as "good." I don't think that word quantifies our DL. Our DL has the potential to be "great." I don't think the Redskins DL is on the same level as the Dolphins DL.
     
  10. Redskins202

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    Ehh...we have a good FG kicker and punter but our PR/KR has been awful for years as well as tackling.
     
  11. Redskins202

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    Haha.

    Moses and Schreff are young but they haven't been bad as people claim. Schreff got tumbled ONE play in preseason and skins fans went all salty..but this is manly still the bitterness of us drafting a OG first round while.passing up Leonard Williams still pisses of skins fans. Moses was a 2nd rounder last year and has looked decent.
     
  12. Redskins202

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    You dont want Chris Culliver? Who was ranked high last year in pass coverage or Breeland who you can ASK any redskins fan was a shutdown CB?.

    Ok.. but you rather have Mccain tho lol

    Edit neither Hall/Culliver/Breeland had barley any reps in preseason we basically have had our #4-5 and a PS memeber all game long in preseason.

    Amerson the guy that let Smith SR with the TD and was the worst cb last year...Dhall and Cuillver will finally play week 1 and if Breeland had played we would be in a much better situation. Our safeties coverage skills are iffy hut if we want to count preseason as im seeing it they haven't given up any big plays.
     
  13. Redskins202

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    Danny actully.progressing as a owner. The media has always tried to stir crap up. The reason rg3 isn't tested yet is manly because it could be alot.more serious than we think...rg3 has had 4 concussions including his college days..4 bro...not to mention 2 ACL tears.

    And the only reason we never announced a qb battle is because the media would of kept asking us whos the qb.

    Its hard here in d.c media wise but Danny hasnt over soent for washed up players and has hired a very good GM. It could be worst....
     
  14. Redskins202

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    Your not a homer.....guys like you and me are the most realistic fan within the fan base. Look how long it took akims fans to see how bad Shanny/Campbell/RG3 really where....we thought texans would of been an easy win last year and was expecting a playoff birth etc or even the year before.


    Pretty obvious that we overrate our players see Orakpo..
    He was never that good or dominate as redskins fans mads him out to

    . I only can wish phin fans wake up a bit n stop with the 31-10.predictions or " Preseason" crap....Tom Brady looked crappy in preseason and just went 4 td phin fans lol anything can happen.
     
  15. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    You know what...nevermind...it's too easy.
     
  16. Sethdaddy8

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    Skins may have a good D line. But you can't simply say"we both have a good d line." Our d lines are not the same...at all. Our reserves at every point across the front, creates a "good d line."
     
  17. djphinfan

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    i like washington warriors myself, then imagine 90,000 screming..'''warriors, come out and plaaaaaaaaay..''

    but keep using racial slurs in your name, its all good.
     
  18. djphinfan

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    so moses and scherref..........hate to break it to ya, but thats not a good matchup, in fact its bad...two all pro players, two players the best at their positions...if your not crappin your pants about that one, then your just trollin.
     
  19. Tin Indian

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    Sure anything can happen but when any receiver is running as wide open in your secondary, let alone Gronkowski, you have serious problems on your defense. The Steelers D looked awful last night and in truth the Pats D was nearly as bad.
     
  20. dWreck

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    Wow and i thought our divisions fans were delusional. We have the best defensive tackle in football and the best 4-3 DE in the nfl.. on the same line... yet some how according to WAS fans both dlines are just simply "good". LOL. We will be competing for best d line in the nfl while they are competing to not get 1st pick next year. The D-lines arent even in the same universe. This will be a 3+ sack game easy.

    They rationalize it by saying they were good at run stuffing in preseason.. LOL. Are the redskins the jets of their division?
     
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  21. Fin4Ever

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    Remember Marino,Clayton,Duper,Moore in 84 at RFK----Miami 35, Washington 7 ? But I do agree that it hardly ever happens at your house.
     
  22. robh4413

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    Skins fan here. I want to try and paint an accurate picture how the media and majority of fans feel about the match up.

    First and foremost, taking a few fans posting on a forum as a litmus test for the entire fan base and organization is foolish. We know we are well outmatched, especially on the line. That's enough to generate the -3.5 spread on its own. We do not take the Dolphins lightly. The past few weeks, all the fan base has been discussing (other than the off the field BS) is how the Fins are going to terrorize our O-Line. With that being said, we do have arguably the best left tackle in all of football in Trent Williams. On the right side of the line we moved a giant boss hog in Morgan Moses (6'6'' 335Lbs) over to right tackle and have the number 5 overall pick in the draft at right guard (Brandon Scherff). This is much improved over the paltry line that we've had historically. Having said that, they are still FAR over matched. We expect sacks (I agree with you about 3+), we expect turnovers, we expect a stifled run game. We don't expect body bags. Cousins gets rid of the ball extremely fast. You will put him on the ground, but he gets rid of it.


    My prediction is for a 17-19 Skins loss at home.

    Oh and whoever said that we don't have a TE is insane. We have one, he is just injury prone. Jordan Reed is a monster- He will catch 10 balls for 150 yards 3TD and tear his ACL and get a concussion. He's the RG3 of the TE position.
     
  23. SuhMe

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    No way it's that close, because unlike Washington, not only do we have a dline, but also a secondary. And with Kirks turnover history as well as Grimes, plus the line as you mentioned, a 2 point victory would be shocking to me. Our defense is gonna shut you down and our O will pass it all over the field with our quality depth at the receiver position and your lack of quality of coverage/pass rush. Brandon Albert being healthy is Huge. Just face it dawg, Miami is stacked this year and ur not. This year is all about player development for the Skins, not realistically competing for a title, we actually have a shot. I just need to murder Tom.
     
  24. robh4413

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    I wouldn't be shocked if we got waxed, but I don't think you are, "stacked". You're still going to finish behind the Pats. You have a very good defense and a pedestrian offense. "Stacked" is a bit much. Who is delusional here?

    Either way, good luck this year and I'm looking forward to the match up. I've always thought the Dolphins as my #2 squad. Been to a game down at Landshark a few years ago and had a great time.
     
  25. Two Tacos

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    Last year's "pedestrian" offense was close to taking the next step. We had the least amount of 3 and outs, and the most trips to the red zone in the NFL. We were good from 20 to 20 and sucked in the redzone. The hope is Tannehill continues to improve, the dumpster fire that was last year's OL is just a dumpster this year, and the massive upgrade of the WR core pushes pedestrian to good, or even great. OL is the key.
     
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  26. SuhMe

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    Agree to disagree. Just like with Tannehill and the vast majority out there, dudes gonna prove elite this year. Just sit back and watch, we're coming. It's not our fault we have possibly the greatest HC/QB combo in history in our division, people like you sleep on us because of that. Your team is a mess and we are loaded, you'll begin to understand in a few days, particularly if Parker plays. When Rishard Matthews is your #5, you're loaded at receiver, but I doubt you're as familiar with him as most of us. And Cameron>>>>>>>Reed. Same with Lamar/Al Mo.
     
  27. PhinFan1968

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    Fixed that for ya.

    There's an experts picks site linked somewhere around here, where something like over 136 league "experts" make picks...last I looked, Miami had 96% of those picks. That wouldn't rationally bring me to expect a 2-point win.

    Additionally, home teams traditionally get a 3 point cushion on the spread for games that are roughly even (which is pretty close to a 2-point win), yet this game they're a 3.5 point dog to the visitors, which would indicate a 6.5 point swing, in Vegas (which is pretty good at these things), so that also makes it hard for me to believe a "majority of fans" think they'll eek out a 2-point win.

    You're a skins fan, so naturally you're going to give your guys some benefit there...but don't presume to represent the nation and their view of how that dumpster-fire of an organization will do against the Dolphins.

    Accurate he says...

    Edit: The line is now 4, up from a recent 3.5.
     
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  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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  29. Tin Indian

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    I am as confident as anyone that the Phins are going to get the W this week. I will put the caveat out there, it is the first game of the season so you just dont know. On paper this should be a trouncing, but the games aren't played on paper.

    Here's to both teams getting through this game without any injuries and both teams turning the corner. Football is more interesting when teams like the Redskins (there I said it!) and the Dolphins matter every week!
     
  30. rafael

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    I think the characterization of our offense as "pedestrian" is an example where skin's fans may not have an accurate perception of our team. The Dolphins finished 11th in points per game scored last year (24.2) but were actually on pace to finish 8th (26.3) until our LT got hurt and our OL became a shambles. A top 10 offense is generally not considered "pedestrian". And this off-season, outside of Suh, most of our impact additions were on the offensive side. With Albert (LT) slated to start and what should be a significantly improved receiving corp our offense should be far better than the one that was operating at a top 10 pace last season. Additionally, this will be year 2 of a new offense. Historically, when a new OC comes in offenses start to settle in and run more smoothly that second season. That's what we've seen from the starters this preseason. Tannehill and the offense has been very efficient. They've been much more precise and accurate with fewer drops. I worry we may lack a power runner until Ajayi comes back or Jonas Gray assumes the role, but otherwise we now have weapons to attack all areas of the field and improve our redzone efficiency. I doubt we'll become a big play offense that takes a ton of deep shots, but our deep passing was clearly better in camp in that regard than it has been at any point in Tannehill's career so I expect we'll succeed on a higher percentage of those deep shots than we did last season.

    Basically, last season we were an offense that moved up and down the field but were inefficient at scoring TDs in the redzone. We were on a top 10 pace b/c we made few enough mistakes (few INTs and penalties but too many fumbles) and usually got some points out of those drives, but we left a lot of points out there. The additions of Parker and Cameron Jordan (two big-bodied targets) are intended to improve that. I would have liked to come into the season with a better power back option (Ajayi has battled injuries all preseason and struggled to learn the playbook) so I don't see us as a complete offense yet, but we should be better than the one that was averaging +26 points per game last season. I don't expect you'll see a pedestrian offense come Sunday. It may not have a ton of highlight plays, but it should at least end up scoring well into the 20s. We averaged +26 points when our OL was healthy and I don't think the skins are likely to be good enough on defense to make us below our average. I also don't expect the skins to score 20 points against our defense. They averaged under 20 per game last season and our defense should be better than the one that was leading the league in points allowed before they imploded during the second half of the season (injuries and a suddenly porous run D). Obviously, it's any given Sunday in the NFL, but I think the skins would need either a TO advantage and/or STs plays to alter those averages. Both teams were among the most fumble prone last season but the skins (1.9 per game) were worse than Miami (1.7 per game). And IMO Cousins is far more INT prone than Tannehill. Anything can happen, but I would say that the most likely outcome is that Miami wins by 8 or more points.
     
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  31. Brasfin

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    I know you want to trash talk but I wouldn't go that far... Morris has already proven to be a very good back in this league while Miller is still getting his feet wet. I do love me some Miller, though, and think he'll have another good year, possibly better than last season's.
     
  32. SuhMe

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    Alfred Morris was primarily successful because of the read option his rookie year. Since then his ypc has gone from 4.8 to 4.6 to 4.1. While Lamar on the other hand had 4.9 as a rookie, 4.0 in 2013, and 5.1 last year. Not to mention his 4.4 flat 40, and the 97 yard touchdown he had last year. He's got a lot more talent and upside imo and that's why he had a better average last year. I expect that trend to continue into the future, we shall see. I like Al Mo, he's tough, durable, hard working, blue collar and intelligent. But in comparison talent wise to this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdkEjPC-wSY, ha.
     
  33. jdang307

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    I agree but Matt Jones is a beast. Hopefully he doesn't get as many carries this first game
     
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  34. ckparrothead

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    Scherff and Moses against Ndamukong Suh and Cameron Wake by all means should be a nightmare matchup for the Redskins.

    The Redskins also don't have the bigger receivers that could give diminutive players like Brent Grimes and Brice McCain a lot of trouble.

    Stephen Paea is an alright player but I think people made him out to be a higher impact guy than he really is and I don't think he's the guy that's going to make us nervous about the right guard position.

    Left guard I'll be nervous about all year until Dallas Thomas is off the field. And Jason Hatcher can beat him. Knighton could give him trouble as well.

    That linebacker unit in Washington is rough. Keenan Robinson isn't a good player. Perry Riley is linear. Trent Murphy and Ryan Kerrigan are non-factors laterally and in coverage.

    Chris Culliver looks like he's having a tough time going from one system where he was successful to a foreign system. Very common. Could take a year.

    Not impressed with the safeties.

    Jordan Reed could give us trouble underneath and Kirk Cousins is more than willing to get it to him.

    Miami's defense featuring Suh is built to defend the run so it doesn't really matter whether Alfred Morris and Matt Jones are any good, IMO. Unless the Skins have the ability to go inside-out on us and attack the perimeter. Not sure Morris is the guy to do that.
     
  35. ckparrothead

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    Bottom line to me is the Redskins have the look to me of a ball control offense, and that's not going to work out well if the offensive line is overmatched against the defensive line.

    And on defense I see a lot of sloppy play, bad angles, missed tackles, etc. These things should lead to big plays and it's hard for a ball control offense to keep pace when the defense keeps letting up big plays.
     
  36. Galant

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    Redskins vs. Dolphins: Pros, cons, and a prediction

    Rich Tandler
    Sep 11, 2015, 3:26 PM EDT


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    Three reasons why the Dolphins will win:
    —From the Redskins’ standpoint it would be a great story if rookie guard Brandon Scherff could battle Ndamukong Suh to a stalemate. But the reality is that, while Scherff may visit many Pro Bowls in the future it is likely that Suh will get the best of him. This will have Kirk Cousins on the run, unable to get rid of the ball quickly and will disrupt the Redskins’ plans to control the game by keeping the ball on the ground.

    —Even if Scherff is able to hold his own against Suh the Redskins’ revamped offensive line will have to go up against two other very good defensive linemen in Cameron Wake and Earl Mitchell. Someone is likely to get through frequently.

    —Ryan Tannehill has improved every year he’s been in the league. If he takes a step up from last year, when he passed for over 4,000 yards and threw just 12 interceptions in 590 pass attempts, he will be tough to handle. Despite some changes the Redskins’ secondary remains suspect and Tannehill could have a big day

    Why the Redskins will win:

    —DeSean Jackson can take the top off of a defense. He may play a limited number of snaps as he works his way back into game shape and Kirk Cousins might not always have time to throw deep but it only takes one to change the complexion of a game.

    —Matt Jones could be a secret weapon for the Redskins against the Dolphins defensive front. The rookie running back may not do to well slamming into the line. But he is also good catching passes out of the backfield and he has great feet when he’s out in space. A good way to beat the pass rush would be for Kirk Cousins to flip the ball to him about half a dozen times and see what he can do.

    —Tannehill cut down on the number of sacks he took, from 58 in 2013 to 46 last year. That’s a solid improvement but it’s still in the bottom third in the league. Ryan Kerrigan, Jason Hatcher, Preston Smith, and Trent Murphy could have their shots at the quarterback. If they hit home it could be a long day for Tannehill.

    Prediction
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    This is a winnable game for the Redskins even though the Dolphins are probably the better team. In a game where defenses should dominate a deep pass or two to Jackson or a big gain on a swing pass by Jones could tilt the balance.

    But the Redskins aren’t ready to win a game like this. The matchup reminds me of the Redskins playing the Texans a year ago. They didn’t play horribly but Houston had a dominant defensive lineman in J.J. Watt who disrupted things just enough and Washington made just enough mistakes (giving up a blocked punt and a block extra point and losing two fumbles in Houston territory) to lose. I am not yet convinced that the Redskins are immune from such gaffes.

    Dolphins 24, Redskins 17


     
  37. ckparrothead

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  38. Brasfin

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    This article is a little more level-headed than the first one. Their fans aren't getting any more level-headed, though, check out some of the comments on the bottom of the page :lol:

    Can't blame em... gotta prove it on the field.
     
  39. Tin Indian

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    Yep. Gotta prove it on the field and no team should be taken lightly.

    As far as Suh and JJ Watt, they play different positions and are the best at them.

    There is a big difference between the offensive line play with and without Brandon Albert and that sack number.

    If they are expecting last years 8-8 Dolphins, I think they are in for a bit of a shock.
     
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  40. Redskins202

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    Dude your like the homer of this website aren't you.
     

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