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Patriots SPYGATE was much worse than let on...OTL report

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Phins_Fan_87, Sep 8, 2015.

  1. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    They do both, they break the rules and then they do things that arent in the rules but becomes a rule a season later. They always find these cheap tactics. whether its ineligible receiver rules or a defensive line shift or blatant holding penalties on both sides of the ball. They know they can get away with it.

    Im sure they already have something up their sleeve that they wont reveal till possibly december that we are all going to think, how the hell is that not a rule?

    I dont wish injury on satan himself but im definitely rootingg for the bills to bury him into the ground next week. 5 sacks minimum. Get after him Rex.
     
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  2. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    At this point, other teams are idiots for not trying to cheat also. If the NFL doesn't care about cheating, those who don't cheat are now at a disadvantage.

    cheating is wrong. but the clear advantage teams have for cheating is even worse.

    Sad part is, miami probably wouldn't even know how to cheat if they could lol
     
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  3. cbrad

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    We can agree to disagree, and that's what we can do in the end.

    But it would be nice (before we do so) if you could explain why several posters in that Tannehill sucks thread are being accused of "continuously questioning" Tannehill that aren't here religiously defending the Patriots. That's my starting point for investigating this claim, so it would be helpful to see why that doesn't already prove the Venn diagram claim wrong.
     
  4. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    First game of the season Cheatriots at home field their headsets work fine but somehow the Steelers headsets start broadcasting the game or local station. You just can't make this stuff up. Will it ever stop?
     
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  5. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    Why should it? Patriots continue to cheat their way to victories and the nfl doesn't care.
     
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  6. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    You do realize that we arent talking about just 1 thread about the pats or tannehill... right? I dont need to look at that particular thread, the fact is that there is a long history of several people defending NE against cheating claims on this board and some of them coincidentally happen to be people who also have a history of bashing tannehill, or being overly unfair/unreasonable/critical about him. Its just the truth man, its happened for years now. its interesting to be honest.

    actually you know what... im lying. Its all made up. We just happened to think the exact same thing because.... aliens.

    My apologies
     
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  7. cbrad

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    Yeah.. there is no question a small group exists that continuously criticizes Tannehill and also defends NE, but there are several posters in that Tannehill thread accused of one without doing the other. I've been around long enough to know they don't "religiously defend" NE. As you say, it's interesting to be honest.

    Anyway, no big deal. Maybe now we agree to disagree.
     
  8. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Your first sentence literally agrees with me and FinDs point, and the only real point I was making. Well played.
     
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  9. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    And thanks to Goodell over playing his hand with the Brady suspension the NFL is powerless to do anything anymore.
     
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  10. cbrad

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    Lol.. Arguing a point you didn't understand? Well played..

    Fin D claimed EVERONE in each group is in the other. So my second point disproves that.
     
  11. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    yeah but if we are all going to participate then we might as well stop watching this league and stick to college football. The only way to combat the Patriots is if the entire league makes it a point to be extra physically aggressive on the field against that team. We need to dispose that team once and for all. That team is terrible for this league. Everyone else is pretty much on an even playing field, maybe some teams a bit favorable than others but nothing like the Patriots.
     
  12. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Its pretty obvious this has gone over your head. I never once said 'all' of them, personally. I said some of them. Yet you argue with me like I said all of them. That much is apparent from your responses. Even if its not all of them, it was still a valid general point brought up by FinD that you, for some unknown reason, are super butthurt over.

    pretty bold stance you are taking here considering all he said is it merely 'feels like' the case.
     
  13. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I wish we were playing them next week. I want some dirty hits from Suh towards the Patriots and maybe one or two Suh stomps on Brady's chest
     
  14. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    The league has a major integrity problem. NFL won't care until it has an affect on their revenue.
     
  15. cbrad

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    Dude.. you JUST said (implied) "all" in your previous post. Read it. You said that my first sentence literally agrees with Fin D's point. Clearly not true.

    I can see your argument is different than Fin D's, but that's not what you just got through saying.
     
  16. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    Dirty hits by suh will result in penalties/suspensions. Patriots cheating results in victories.
     
  17. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    You are misinterpreting apparently. I have used the phrases 'several of' and 'some of' in my posts and thats it. Now youre arguing semantics and implications. I said you agreed with me ***AND*** finD's point. I.e. the existence of said people. You are reaching bro. Sorry if I wasnt as super specific in this ridiculousness as you would have liked, but your reaction to his post was over the top (Context included), and that is what started this.
     
  18. jdallen1222

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    Is anyone in here familiar with communications? Is it possible the Pats were attempting to listen to the Steelers communications, but back fed the radio broadcast to their helmets accidentally instead. Like a reversing of polarity or something?
     
  19. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    I will forever consider the patriots accomplishments during the BB era as tainted, deserving of an asterisk, and will discredit them when given the opportunity.
     
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  20. cbrad

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    Semantics is everything here. I understand your argument is different than Fin D's, but you stated I agreed with his position, which was false. And that post where I pointed this out ONLY criticized the portion of your argument that implied I agreed with Fin D. You on the other hand acted like I was implying you said "all" in your argument, which of course I never did. It's your reaction to that post of mine which is "over the top".
     
  21. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Bills have the Cheats next weekend. Their fans, anyway, think the 15 yards for taking out his knee and 15 yards for excessive celebration would be worth it. :up:
     
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  22. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I will take a suspension/penalty over a win at this point. That's where I'm at right now with that team.
     
  23. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    That's fine, but not from suh...or any other starter.

    edit: just found this new article from SI, title is :
    Ndamukong Suh to Tom Brady: ‘I’m Coming After You Again, Buddy’

    http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2015/09/11/nfl-ndamukong-suh-miami-dolphins-afc-east

    lol
     
  24. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Mmmk. You failing to recognize that your response to what he said was over the top and overly dramatic is silly, considering all he basically said is he 'feels like' all the NE defenders are also negative on tannehill and you blew up.. Who cares? Maybe not all of them but he is still right in a sense. If he said he feels 10 out of 10 people are 'both'. And im saying 5 out of 10 people are both. Youre saying hes wrong because it isnt 100% of people. Im saying I dont disagree with him because there is evidence that he is correct even if its not all of them, which you yourself agreed with.

    I dont even care anymore. The people exist. Period. Whether its 5 of them or 500, idc. They are there and its an interesting coincidence. If I say you win, will it make you feel better?
     
  25. cbrad

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    All I'm saying is I don't think the two sets are anywhere near equal. I agree there are 3 or so that fit into both categories (never argued there was no one in both). But there are at least that many in that Tannehill thread alone that are accused of being in one but aren't in the other.

    As far as my reaction is concerned, it should be at least understandable given the inaccuracy of Fin D's claim (based on the evidence from the other thread) and the fact it didn't fit into any narrative in the thread at the time. I'm not making apologies for my reaction because of that. I can also see why others wouldn't react that way. So what?
     
  26. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    It is what it is. No sense in arguing over it anymore. Although I do disagree with your reasoning, my apologies if I misunderstood where you were coming from.
     
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  27. cbrad

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    Yeah, let's get back to Patriot bashing :up:
     
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  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    So, it's funny...a couple of the relatively new posters on here, are also very active at phinfever...the funny part is that two of them spend a bunch of time defending Brady as some great QB in a thread over there...and are going after Tannehill over here...weird.

    But FinD gets attacked for saying it. LOL
     
  29. cbrad

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    "Religiously defending the Patriots" to me is not the same thing as saying Brady is a great QB. I think Brady is a great QB too, even though I think his legacy is tainted.

    "Religiously defending the Patriots" to me is when a person will defend the Patriots almost no matter what, with the real litmus test being the topic of this thread: cheating. You don't see the new posters you spoke of, nor some of the older regulars who are accused of going after Tannehill, constantly defending the Patriots when there's evidence they cheated.
     
  30. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    lol didn't know phinfever existed.. is that a forum for people who have been banned from this and the "other" site?
     
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  31. resnor

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    How can you think he's great, with all the cheating allegations??
     
  32. cbrad

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    Just trying to look at his skillset independent of as much of the cheating allegations. I've seen the guy play in enough cases (especially in important situations) to know he's been one of the most capable QB's in the league in the last 15 years. And I think the great majority in the NFL think similarly.

    Like I said, the cheating is what will hurt his legacy. How much it hurts him will depend on what else they uncover. Right now it's an unofficial asterisk. Hopefully it turns into something more official someday.
     
  33. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    It's a shame there's no way to quantify how much of his career was beneficiary of their cheating ways. You can NOT convince me he'd have been as "great" as he has without it. If they're not cheating through his first 6 years (which were rather average to above average), do they allow him the time to grow into what he is?

    He did what they needed him to do within their systematic cheating, whether he knew the details or not.
     
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  34. cbrad

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    Wouldn't disagree with any of that.

    I'm just trying to distinguish: Brady's skill level (how much more a team would win with a QB like Brady) vs. his accomplishments.

    In terms of skill as a system QB he's one of the greatest IMO. In terms of accomplishments, there are question marks.
     
  35. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    Brady is 38. In the league for 15th season. He doesn't have too many more to go.
     
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    Thankfully!

    Problem is, people have been saying that for many years now. Either way you're right.. age eventually catches up with everyone. And when that happens, Tannehill and Luck might replace Brady and Manning as the next big QB rivalry in the AFC.
     
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    I hope so and I hope it happens sooner than later. Manning is on his way out within a year or two I think while Brady has shown little signs of slowing down. I still give more credit to Belichick for putting Brady in position to excel and I have a bad feeling that Belichick wants to prove this by copying his success with another QB once Brady is gone..
     
  38. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah, but, and I've gotten a ton of heat for giving Brady a pass, IF the second mic thing were true, that kills the clutch thing for me. And now, with the extensive illegal filming, and all the stuff around that, it really makes me question how good Brady actually was. I mean, he didn't show it in college.
     
  39. Fin D

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    Exactly.

    They also didn't miss a lot when he was out that year with a complete joke of a QB. And let's not forget Belichick was hot garbage as a coach in Cleveland.
     
  40. cbrad

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    Well.. we don't know exactly how much cheating helped. Maybe only a little, maybe a lot. What I can say is that the guy executes really well (most of the time). No way we can resolve this debate with data (unless you have a good idea). In my opinion, the Patriots would not be a perennial playoff team or win those SB's without Brady (insert instead an average QB). Is it true? Who knows, but I think it's a fair statement and probably one you'll see most NFL players/coaches agree with.
     

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