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The Official Tannehill Sucks/Doesn't Suck Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Are you blind? I just said that embarrassing missed TD pass to a wide open Sims and then taking us back 12 yards after having perfect position at the 2.
     
  2. Rock Sexton

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    Playing for FG's is the Sparano way of life. I expect our new near $100 million dollar man to be able to convert more consistently at that part of the field vs. the lowly Redskins.
     
  3. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    People saying the interceptions weren't caught so they shouldn't matter must not realize attempted murder is also a crime. You're not absolved of trying to kill someone if they don't die and you have to get some points taken off for poor throws even if the D doesn't capitalize.

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  4. DolPhinPhan7

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    Was the Sims drive not the one where they missed on 4th and 1? You can't just say hey that could have been a touch down, it wasn't so Tannehill screwed up that entire drive.
     
  5. cdnfinfan

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    are you ******ed? you posted that 1 minute before me, relax.

    anyway that wide open pass to SIms was a bad pass, on the run though out of the pocket. IF you are basing his poor play on that then you are just reaching.

    the one that led to a FG was bad though, should have made a better decision on that one.

    So yes he made some TERRIBLE plays, but he did not play TERRIBLE overall. You need to seperate a few plays away from the big picture
     
  6. cdnfinfan

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    That may be the worst analogy I have ever heard in my life.
     
  7. cdnfinfan

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    but they went for it on 4th and 1 and couldn't convert so how was that playing like Sparano?

    Keep running around in circles, eventually you will catch your tail
     
  8. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    You're allowed to explain why. We won't accept "because I say so" as an answer though.
     
  9. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Semantics again. It's not like Sparano NEVER went for it on 4th and 1. Your comments continue to distract from the point.

    The only thing circling is that plane of logic around your head that has no tarmac to touch down on.
     
  10. cdnfinfan

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    The missed interceptions carry the same weight as any other missed throw. it was a missed interception like it was a missed completion

    That is why that analogy doesn't work.
    Are you trying to say you were trying to kill someone?(complete the ball)
    or were you trying to not kill someone(get intercepted)
    I dunno man doesn't make sense.
     
  11. cdnfinfan

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    "b-b-but they played like sparano"
    "b-b-b-ut sparano did that too"

    What is it man?

    they didn't SETTLE for FG's in that game like Sparano did oh too many times.
    They poorly played themselves in to a FG, like every other team has done every week.
     
  12. Rock Sexton

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    They're not "just incomplete passes". They inevitably become momentum killers just like a WR dropping a ball that would have been a first down or go ahead TD.
     
  13. DolPhinPhan7

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    I think using If and Buts to analyze a game is a hard thing to do. What if Matthews doesn't drop that pass? What if LaMike James's fumble isn't recovered? What if that ticky tack holding penalty isn't called on Wake's sack?

    I'll concede there were a lot of What ifs that went could have made that game much tougher to win. But this was still a home opener on the road. The line was only 3 points. So Vegas must have saw something beyond the hype of a back up starting against Suh and company.
     
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  14. Rock Sexton

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    Ahhhh there it is again - every other team, every other week. There's that Downey logic softener again.
     
  15. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Just stop.

    No one is saying his play was good enough, all we're saying is that yesterday probably isn't representative of his best, you're acting like it is. Notice, Chuckles, I didn't say you said it was our best, I said you're acting like you think it was his best. Because you are.

    You're acting like the sky is falling when its equally likely we were rusty and jittery. But you're a hater, so you're gonna hate. I shouldn't forget that. Its my fault that I do, so for forgetting you're gonna hate, I apologize.

    Carry on. Errr, sorry...Hate on.
     
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  16. CaribPhin

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    Take a second, breathe, then check this out. When you're trying to assess QB performance right, normally you do it in a vacuum. I'm certain you don't hold WR drops against him because 'is he supposed to catch the ball too?'. Well, I'm saying that in the very same vacuum, you have to hold a pass that was soft hands away from an interception against him. These weren't near misses, they were in the hands of the defenders. When assessing the team, then you say oh, we won, no big deal. When assessing individual performance, you really do have to note that he threw some passes that were about as clean interceptions as they could possibly be, irrespective of the defense. It's no an 'if' or a 'but'. It's a fair assessment of performance. I was right there last season posting the statistic that we had the highest total drops and second highest drop rate to start the season so I am very willing to give credit. Simply put, when analyzing the outcome of the game, they don't matter. When analyzing how well or poorly Tannehill played, they matter because his play is isolated from what others do with it.

    Here's a second analogy since you don't like the first: If I'm running the 100M sprint and I run a horrible time, but my competitors all fall down for some reason and I still win, then when looking at the race overall, it's a win. When looking at my individual performance, I know my time was poor. This is why you need to isolate performance from results to assess individual performance. The results can skew perceptions, much like what's happening now.
     
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  17. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    All this BS about $100M dollar man. That doesn't mean what it used to, especially at QB...that is average to below average franchise QB money...get with the times, even a caveman could do it.

    We all expect more...but aren't going to throw the baby out with the bath water.
     
  18. cdnfinfan

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    right and should be held the same. You guys are weighing it with the same weight as an interception

    its NO different than a receiver dropping the ball. NONE.
    we didn't get the completion, no ground was made and we lost a down.
    BUT it wasn't a negative play or a penalty nor did we lose possession of the ball.
     
  19. Fin D

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    Your analogy was accurate.

    The only thing you're forgetting though is that not every interception is the QBs fault. Not every completion is the QBs fault either. So, if we're going to count these almost INTs as black marks against Tannehill, then we need to make sure he did something wrong. Not saying he didn't, only watched the game once, just saying you didn't go deep enough.
     
  20. Rock Sexton

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    It's not his best. I've seen what that is and yesterday was NOT it.

    If this conversation is going to devolve into the kindergarten "you're a hater" bull**** - piss off. I have no desire to partake.
     
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  21. Rock Sexton

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    Ohhhh now $100 million is nothing so we shouldn't expect more. LOL

    I haven't quit on him or this season yet. But the performance when we're now in year 4 is unacceptable.
     
  22. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    You've been nothing short of confrontational since you started here...if anybody needs to "piss off" it's you.
     
  23. Rock Sexton

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    It is a negative. Leaving plays out there on the field is negative for the offense - it just doesn't show up in a stat sheet and you seem to be hanging your proverbial cleats on only things that show up there.

    Context is needed.
     
  24. Fin D

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    Luckily, you have the option to leave. Soooo....bye?

    You are acting like a hater though. Again, not saying you are a hater, I'm saying you are acting like one, cause you are.

    No one is saying Tannehill played great yesterday, but, much like a hater would do, you're pretending everyone is doing that and getting all pissy and angry.
     
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  25. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Are you f*cking blind or does the self-righteousness just cause you to completely ignore the "we all expect more" in the post you quoted?

    Pontificate somewhere else.
     
  26. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    I've been nothing short of NOT accepting your nonstop attacks and trailing of all my posts. Seriously, skip my posts man.
     
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  27. Rock Sexton

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    Great. Thanks for sharing.
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Its one thing to hope for perfection, its another to be all manbaby about it the way you have, when perfection doesn't happen.....in a profession where it rarely happens. By pointing out that every QB has bad games and many worse, doesn't mean we weren't disappointed in Tannehill yesterday, it just means you're severely over reacting.
     
  29. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Trailing....lol...rich. You posted in a public forum, spewing your BS, no trail required.
     
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  30. cdnfinfan

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    how about this analogy,
    take that same race
    you stumble out of the gate, but manage to pick up enough speed throughout the rest of the race to finish first.

    when you look back on your race you see that you made a terrible mistake(some terrible throws) but overall were able to get enough speed and technique down(make throws and plays) when needed to come out with the win at the end.

    after you will look what went wrong and what went right. Not everything is TERRIBLE because you make a terrible play or two. Everything has to be looked at as a whole. OVERALL Tannehill played well. but made some terrible throws that didn't end up being too costly.

    he also was able to FINISH The game on his terms(on offense) making some first downs and closing out the game.
     
  31. Rock Sexton

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    Never said a word about "perfection" .... but there's that made up extreme straw man anytime there is criticism.
     
  32. Fin D

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    The difference being is that Tannehill did enough to tie the game not win it as the STs scored.
     
  33. Rock Sexton

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    Yes Stanley, trailing .....
     
  34. cdnfinfan

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    yes and you surely lack any context.

    anytime a play results in ZERO yards it is a negative. so this NON interception is the same as a NON completion. stop making it out to be more than it is.
     
  35. Fin D

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    Fine, change the word to really, really, really, really, good. It doesn't change anything. You're over reacting and losaing your **** because the rest of us aren't reactionary like you are.

    But in the future, if you want go on about strawmen, then maybe you shouldn't make one with every single one of your posts. Cause it makes you look like not just a hater manbaby, but a hypocritical hater manbaby. Not saying you are those things.
     
  36. Rock Sexton

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    I'm going to hold you to that. In fact I will put it in my sig so that I can bring it up every time you moan later on in the year when an offensive player not named Tannehill drops a pass or screws up key plays in drives.
     
  37. cdnfinfan

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    maybe Tannehill should have gotten that 4 and one on his own as well
    or maybe he should have blocked for himself to prevent the fumble.

    he was in positions to score. and was moving the ball pretty good since that td drive. To say he wasn't is just being difficult
     
  38. Fin-Omenal

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    Thee...Ohio State University

    You wont find anyone saying that the entire offense played subpar, and despite only 10 points allowed the defense was sketchy aswell. Your problem is you want to claim Ryan had a "good game" which is silly.
     
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  39. Rock Sexton

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    I haven't lost anything. I didn't swing from one extreme to the other. This is classic Tannehill throughout his time here. Most were expecting some annihilation of the Skins by the man after his preseason ..... not I though. This is more par for the course.

    My point of contention is that others are perfectly fine to continue marrying themselves to potential, inconsistency, and underachievement. Nothing has changed about this kid as a passer. He's the same guy he was at TAMU in terms of what he can and cannot do. Only thing that has changed is he's adapted to the speed of the NFL game.
     
  40. cdnfinfan

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    Please do.
    I will hold anyone accountable and weigh them equally I don't use a broad brush to paint fine lines.

    Tannehill made bad throws yesterday. Mathews missed a gimme
    The line played soft and allowed Tannehill to fumble the ball.
    Williams didn't get the 4th and one because he and the line were trash on that play.
    the defense allowed the skins to run all up and down their throat.

    Mathews missed that pass that would have been an easy first down but I will NOT blame him for the next play that was the fumble
    it would be easy to say that if mathews caught the ball then they wouldn't have fumbled
    but we can say for sure.

    Just like those NON interceptions didn't put Cousins back on the field.
     

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