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Ronin's Review: Dolphins @ Redskins

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by RoninFin4, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A half competent offense, that doesn't lose its #1 receiver, might score more than 10. It's one thing for our defense to dominate them and they score 10. It's another when an inept offense moves the ball like they did against us. Washington basically stopped themselves. I think everyone who watched the game yesterday came away thinking, "thank goodness they only scored 10." They ran at will against us. They lost Desean Jackson and we only win by special teams? Yeah I'm complaining.

    Before 10 am pacific yesterday everyone (except me and a few others) were predicting pain, outright domination, slaughter. But in the end, it came down to a return by Jarvis Landry? Yeah we're going to complain.
     
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  2. djphinfan

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    A football season is a journey, some games, are based purely on emotion and enthusiasm, this was one of those games, they had the perect storm to be hyped for their opener, all players were on notice because some of them has intentially wanted rg3 out of the lineup, they had to play their hardest or they would of come off looking bad..they had to play hard for cousins and they did..ill say it one more time, when you get 53 guys playing that hard for a cause, that can beat anyone..

    I think it would of been a tough game for any opponent that came into that situation..

    Ryan has to change his game a bit, so does the coordinator, for us to be able to compete in a playoff atmoshere and intensity.
     
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  3. RoninFin4

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    After letting things soak in a bit - "the 24 hour rule" - I've calmed down a bit. I think Jacksonville might be the perfect tonic to cure some of Miami's ails next Sunday. Primarily, I think the biggest of which are the run defense - not losing the edge as much and not giving up cutback lanes - and getting more in sync offensively. Some of that simply falls on not having many opportunities in the first half, and some falls on poor QB and poor O-line (Dallas Thomas) play. But, a road win is a win and at the end of the day, I'm happy about that, and happier about it now than I was after the game yesterday.
     
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  4. Bpk

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    Agree.

    Also, adjust faster (go off the scripted plays to start the game) if you are not getting any 1st downs, or you'll put the D in a bad spot and hurt momentum.

    And be a good coach by finding a way to use Devante's upside while minimizing the downside of coaches not being comfortable with him having 1000 hours of practice yet.

    And have Coyle adjust the front seven... to help the LBs. However we were set up Sunday vs the run, it was NOT maximizing the DL talent, from the look of it. I don't understand it well enough to solve it, but that's just a feeling I have.
     
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  5. Tannephins

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    I'll take the win, but what bothered me about the game was that the Dolphins didn't seem like a good team in any phase. Ask yourself if any part of the team impressed you at the level of a team you'd expect to make noise in the playoffs and be a contender.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    see here's the thing about the coordinator needing to change his script some..

    when you know your defense needs a rest and you have to get a few first downs because of the importance of that, then you use some of your best plays to do so, roll him out, run the read option, hit the quick slant, get the defense thinking about misdirection and ryans ability to run and throw right, left, and and with the read option.
     
  7. djphinfan

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    I was impressed by special teams, both sides...and some individuals...Cameron, Juice, Jones, Misi, Philips, Matthews, Grimes..
     
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  8. RoninFin4

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    This.
     
  9. RoninFin4

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    I think Miami gets to 2-0 over Jacksonville. I'll predict a 28-14 win, but with the game maybe being closer than that score would indicate. Jacksonville's banged up, and Carolina handled them pretty easily even without Luke Keuchely for 2.5 quarters (concussion). I think some of the adjustments we might see would be offensively: running the ball more, targeting some more intermediate throws and/or incorporating play-action/rollouts. I wonder if some of their quick-throwing game was due to not having seen Branden Albert at all in the preseason and JHB struggling mightily in pass-pro.

    Defensively, I wonder if we see more C.J. Mosley and/or Jordan Phillips and a little less Earl Mitchell. Mitchell turned in one of his worst performances as a Dolphin and with Suh there, I think you need to get a bigger-bodied guy playing next to him. Detroit made it work last year with Fairley and our own C.J. Mosley; Mitchell just gets handled too easily one-on-one.

    Jacksonville out-schemed Miami last year and basically employed the same gameplan Washington did yesterday. The problem for them was that Blake Bortles was worse last year than Kirk Cousins was yesterday and started throwing the ball to Miami's secondary (pick 6's by Delmas and Grimes). I think he'll be better than he was, but again, the Jags are banged up and I'd like to think Miami's more quality across the board, other than at MLB, than Carolina is.
     
  10. dolfan22

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    ST's were strong , of course housing a 69 yard punt return was an integral piece of that .

    One thing , I keep reading that Vigil had the key block on that TD , it actually was Kovac's block , or positioning , sealing off his guy that gave Landry a chance to make that explosive play .

    Vigil had a nice block but it wasn't really the focal point or necessary , Kovac's play was imo .
     
  11. jdang307

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    Right now, he's behind Matthews, Landry, Jennings and probably Devante later.

    I'm not saying he is mediocre at all I think he's fantastic. Maybe things will changed but he played 23 snaps to Matthews 45. I guess he provides depth and insurance someone goes down.
     
  12. PhinFan1968

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    I'd add the two rookie kickers as well. 54 yds avg in 4 punts? Can't complain about that.
     
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  13. djphinfan

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    i counted that as special teams, loved franks kickoffs, and Darrs punts..
     
  14. Rances

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    First time on these boards in a long time, startled by the sensitivity and the defensiveness on both sides, pro hope/anti hope.. pro tanne/anti tanne.

    Here's how I viewed the most recent game... What I wanted to see was progression. Progression in two specific areas and one overall feeling.

    Tanne was ok yesterday. Just ok. I am going to grade him as a player this year solely on his ability to get better at the things we need him to become better at to take this team to the next level. I was disappointed in some of the risky throws he made (and got away with). I was disappointed with another two batted balls at the line. Disappointed by the abysmal YPA again. Disappointed that I didn't see him at any point elevate the play of those around him or throw guys open. But he was ok. He had a great 2 minute drill. And he won us the game.

    Defensive line is my next major point of concern. We have a weakness at the LB position and we have some question marks in coverage. For this defense to become elite this DLine needs to really ease the pressure on the LBs and offside corners by wreaking havoc in the backfield. They did not do that, furthermore they gave up as much rushing yardage as we gave up last year when we are one of the worst run defenses in the league.

    Lastly, are we carrying ourselves like a contender. Are we making plays that blow up games. On that front I gave them an incomplete. One guy tried and did blow up the game... Landry. Reshad tried many times to make game changing plays, as did Grimey. But some of our key players didn't show up there. Wake, Suh and Tanehill just didn't make their presence felt sufficiently.

    One game, great to come away with the win. Let's see if we come out with more force and energy this Sunday now that they haven't been patted on the back all week like they were previous to this game.
     
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  15. Rances

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    I absolutely hate this comment. Some guys had to play hard because they didn't want their love for RG to be exposed? That's silly. You're way too smart for that. You know if Miami had come out and played with anything near the impact we expected them too they'd have won this game easily and the commentary around the Skins would have been "of course they got beat down, some guys want Kirk some guys want RG... the team has an internal divide" and all that blah blah blah.

    Yes this was their home opener and yes that gives them a little extra juice. But Miami allowed them to feed that juice by not getting off the field on third downs and by their inability to make any big plays on offense for most of the game.

    Miami allowed Washington to dictate the terms of the game early and often and they allowed a bad team to believe they could win. Were it not for Washington's actual ineptitude which they displayed by their inability to capitalize on RT's mistakes, by their one million penalties and Kirk's propensity to turn it over, they'd have beaten us with relative ease.
     
  16. djphinfan

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    this offseason I talked a lot about how that franchise was setting up rg3 for failure, then from watching all of their preseason reps I said that some payers and coaches were not committed to this player, as in they dont like him, which in turn will affect how you perform at this level...when that dynamic changed, so did the players effort..you may hate it, doesnt mean it cant be true..
     
  17. Rocky Raccoon

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    I wanted to study this chart again, and is this thing serious? Go for it inside your own 15 on 4th and 3? That is completely ridiculous. This stupid bot wants you to go for it every 4th and short even if you're deep in your own territory.

    Sorry, but I can't take this seriously.
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    I know it's already been talked about, but I want to add into it as well.

    - Reshad Jones is a damn beast. Just a missile out there. Washington ran an end around that looked like it was going to be a huge play and Jones came out of no where and made a sensational tackle to keep the gain minimal.

    - Jordan Cameron is legit. Man, I hope he stays healthy because when he's on the field he's hard to cover.

    - I hope to see Rishard Matthews get more playing time.

    - Brice McCain's interception was orgasmic. I thought for sure he was juggling the ball out of bounds. Then I saw the replay and screamed in excitement. What an unbelievable play.
     
  19. DonRamon

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    Did anyone notice the run blocks for Morris? I will go out to say it was some of the best in the league in the first half of the game. I also petition Rob Konrad to sign with us as a blocker for a season. Obviously @ 38 he is still beast mode swimming 9 miles back to shore.
     
  20. resnor

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    Well...in fairness to the coordinator, he DID roll Tannehill out left and right. Left, Tannehill missed, and Sims knocked himself out, and right, he missed Stills. That being said, I don't expect Tannehill to consistently miss on those sorts of plays.
     
  21. Rocky Raccoon

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    Man, I forgot about that Stills play.

    Tannehill did not play a good game and he will be the first to admit it. I am very confident he'll be much better than that though. He's too good not to be.
     
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  22. Brasfin

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    Agreed. We are going to face a lot of teams that play with some nastiness this year (Bills, Jets, Ravens, Texans). We're going to need some guys who bring more punch to the offense and I think Rishard is one of them. I was hoping Jonas Gray would be another, but I guess not... Maybe Earl Mitchell at FB?:confused2:
     
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  23. Rocky Raccoon

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    I have no doubt that Big Earl will get the rock at some point this season. When they interviewed Mitchell after that story broke, he answered those questions like he was in the government. He wasn't giving any secrets away.

    Whether it's a carry or a pass at the goal line, I think Lazor has something up his sleeve and we'll see it eventually.
     
  24. Brasfin

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    Yeah, I saw Lazor's PC yesterday, he talked about how he had a list of the plays he most liked but that they didn't get to run because of a small amount of opportunities. I'm hoping we unleash everything on Buffalo... the Washington game may have been a blessing in disguise.
     
  25. Finster

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    I agree with everyone that it's just one game, and also that the first game or 3 isn't necessarily indicant of what the team or player may be, by seasons end.

    However,

    What is concerning to some of us, and a thing that cannot be out right dismissed, is that all the same problems we have seen in Tanne, were on full display in that game.
    Ive seen some posters point out that some "franchise" QBs had worse games, pointing out that anyone can have a bad day, which is true, but no one is worried about those QBs, because they are already proven "franchise" QBs, Tanne is not, so he doesn't get a pass, he still needs to prove he is a franchise QB, and this game did nothing to reinforce the belief that he can.

    At the same time, this game doesn't mean he can't get better, last year his first 3 games were not good, then he got better, it wasn't just WR drops, they didn't help, but Tanne was not crisp either, with a little help from Lazor, he got much better, so this scenario obviously exists.

    I think Tanne is better than most QBs in the league, in the 11-13 area, but QB is the one position that league ranking doesn't really make much of a difference, either your a franchise QB or your not. You can be the 10th best QB and still not be good enough to be a F-QB.

    I follow the philosophy, that in the NFL, you need a F-QB to win SBs, only a couple times in history have teams won with a tier 3 QB, the rest of the SBs are all won by upper tier 2 and tier 1 QBs, F-QBs, so as much as Tanne has improved, until he reaches franchise QB level, I will be concerned, and I know that many people share this same philosophy, people who have a different opinion on what tier Tanne is, some think he already is an upper tier 2 QB.

    Lets take this into consideration, in all fairness, the concerns that I and others have about Tanne, were reflected by the anonymous NFL survey, getting the people who really do actually know, and eliminating politics from their answers put Tanne in the tier 3 category, so guys that were saying basically the same thing prior to the survey, have justifications for our concerns.

    I think I can speak for many, that the concern is franchise level, even though Tanne IS better than most QBs in the league, it's still not good enough, QB is the one position in the NFL where being outside the elite is not good enough, for example, where would you rank OV as a DE in the NFL? 25th? 20th? The 20th QB in the NFL is junk.

    So for many of us, even if you're the best of all the non franchise QBs, your still not good enough, which is why we are so critical of Tanne, only the best will do, and when only the best will do, you have to be critical.
     
  26. jdang307

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    Funny I look at Luck's numbers last year and see 40 TDs and 7.7 ypa. Tanny has him beat in INTs. He makes a few more mistakes, but throws a lot of TDs and is more efficient.
     
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  27. PhinFan1968

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    And all that does what for you? What help is it to, as a fan on a message board, hold the player to a higher standard, meanwhile having zero impact on WTF they do?

    Part of the problem is many who heavily criticize RT expect Rodgers level performance, and if they don't get it, they dog out anybody else who sees some light at the end of the tunnel. Rodgers, Marino, VERY rare guys. If they weren't so rare, everybody would have one...its just not that simple. We'd ALL love to have another Marino...or Rodgers...but they're generation guys. So b*tch b*tch b*tch until they get an uber-elite QB? Really worked out for us in the '80s...it was the same thing EVERY year back then, beginning of the season, "Dolphins predicted to win the Super Bowl"...it was brutal.

    So what's your solution?
     
  28. DOLPHAN1

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    The issue is people tend to be category driven. Everything has a place and everything in it's place. So how about this? Category, Miami Dolphins Quarterback. Duration, the foreseeable future. Status, work in progress.
     
  29. Clark Kent

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    Did Kevin Coyle address the misuse of Suh in the 1 technique? Sorry at work and can't comb through thread.
     
  30. Brasfin

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    Not sure anyone asked him at his press conference specifically about that. What I remember is him saying (paraphrasing) that Suh was so amped up and anxious to get out there and play that he screwed up some things mentally and that he knows he can play better.
     
  31. PhinFan1968

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    Instead of "work in progress" I prefer "on the rise," taking his whole NFL career into account. I know it's semantics, but "work in progress" sounds more negative, and he's been on an upward trend for a while...even that game was better than any previous opener for him (they show roughly 20 points higher in rating over the previous year, each year...steady improvement, though minor). One bad game doesn't change it. If he continues and makes a habit of it, different story.
     
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  32. DOLPHAN1

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    lol if it makes you fell better, ok. the implication of work in progress is just that. until he is completed he will, just like everyone else, be a work in progress. :D
     
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  33. PhinFan1968

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    Along those lines, who ISN'T a work-in-progress? Even Rodgers works hard to improve, so is he also a work in progress?
     
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  34. DOLPHAN1

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    you got it! :up:
     
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  35. PhinFan1968

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    Finally...I'm kinda slow sometimes...
     
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  36. cbrad

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    Some QB's are a "work-in-regress".
     
  37. Finster

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    I'm not expecting greatest of all time, nor did I intimate that in any way, just a franchise QB, a QB that can win games in the 4th quarter, that IS what a franchise QB is, however they get it done, winning games in the 4th quarter.

    I wouldn't care about Tanne's pocket presence and long ball deficiencies if he won games in the 4th quarter, Flacco is as flawed as a franchise QB gets, but he wins games in the 4th quarter, that's why he's a franchise QB.

    RT17 had a 98.9 QB rating in the 1st 3 quarters last year, his 4th quarter rating was so bad 79.9, that it dragged his overall rating down to 92.8, and nearly all our games were decided in the 4th, that's not near good enough, you think if he had a 90 rating in the 4th quarter we'd be in the playoffs?
     
  38. Fin D

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    And once again, a few times last year Tanny sat down with the lead in the 4th only to have the defense to lose the lead with either no or too little time to take the lead back.

    You and the others have to stop ignoring that.
     
  39. Fin-Omenal

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    Thats because he is constantly throwing the ball down the field which is a much riskier act. I'll take that over checking down 10 times out of 10.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    no, screw fairness res, every qb averages 2 rollout a game, the point is with a skillset like this, {we know hes very good going to both sides} its not being done early enough or enough reps, especially considering ryan refuses to run on his own, put up another 0 in that dept on sunday.

    Kaepernik rolled 7 times last nite by the 4th quarter.
     

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