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The Official Tannehill Sucks/Doesn't Suck Thread

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Sep 6, 2015.

  1. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The only thing worth arguing about in this world is money and *****.
     
  2. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    Hey,how come it bleeped out "waffles"?
     
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  3. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Ok, that THAT was funny.
     
  4. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Bwahahahahaha .....
     
  5. shamegame13

    shamegame13 Madison & Surtain

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    Tannehill was off last game and far from the reason we won the game, I bet he knows he has to clean up his game because performances like that will put us in bottom of the division. I will truly never understand why we refuse to run Lamar.
     
  6. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    If there was a "the" reason we won, it would have to be Juice. Luckily for team sports, there's always several reasons, and his 2 minute drive was one.

    How many times, over the past 3 years, have the critics on this site said, "when he shows he can execute a 2 minute drive when behind, then we may have something" or words to that end? That was a stellar drive, so while overall his game was bad, he did assist in winning the game...that was a crucial score and he was clutch. Additionally, he helped get the 3 points on the field goal drive, the drive that somebody gave all the credit to the STs for...lol.

    So was he the SOLE reason they won? OF COURSE NOT! But he helped, albeit among other sub-standard plays.

    Really makes you look like you are forcefully driving an agenda when you leave out any of the good and focus ONLY on the bad...and vice-versa.

    Edit: Totally agree on Lamar. 13 touches is lame.
     
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  7. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Too bad one of those Tannehill wounded ducks that he sails into the bleachers every game hasn't hit Philbin upside the head and knocked some sense into the ****er.
     
  8. shamegame13

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    The drive before the half, your right, RT17 was great on that drive, however, that was really his only solid drive due to the other drives having terrible throws or poor playcalling, he had some nice throws but he also had about 5-7 head scratching throws with one really bad drop from Matthews. I dont see how you think im driving an agenda when I said I expect him to be better. I think your Tannehill blinders got you reading things incorrectly. The FG drive was due to Lamar getting good chunk yards (this was the only drive where we ran Lamar on a consistent level) and Juice making plays with the ball in his hands. RT17 didnt do anything magical, he did "enough" against the worse pass D of 2014 who lost Orakpo and their best CB Breeland was out so no, I wont say this performance was nearly good enough for an actual good team in the NFL, luckily, we got to play a bottom 3 team in the NFL.
     
  9. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    I dont put a whole lot of stock in PFF, but they didnt have a B- like grade for Tanny by any means.
     
  10. cdnfinfan

    cdnfinfan New Member

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    Well just looking at their ratings I see they have him as tenth best qb right now with a grade of 81.1
    looks better than a B- to me


    edit: those may be the rankings going in to the season. I'll have to look more in to it
     
  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Tannehill had a negative rating for the game against the Redskins, I believe.
     
  12. Fin-Omenal

    Fin-Omenal Initiated

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    Again, they just happen to be right this time. But i think overall they are far from a good barometer to judge any player.
     
  13. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/14/mia-was-grades-bad-day-for-qb-ryan-tannehill/

     
  14. cdnfinfan

    cdnfinfan New Member

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    Yea, -2.7
    But they gave cousins a +1.5 which doesn't make sense so take that how you will.
     
  15. Fin-Omenal

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    I thought Cousins played decent, firsthalf anyway.
     
  16. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Cousins played a good game...I'd say you can only hang about .5 of those 2 interceptions on him. Great defensive plays.
     
  17. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Right. Cousins must have been bad because he had 2 picks, right? Lol. I mean, compare the picks for Cousins against the two that Tanne lucked out on.
     
  18. cdnfinfan

    cdnfinfan New Member

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    Sooooooo.....the actual interceptions that led to your team losing are not as bad as the near interceptions because the defense made better plays?

    Wtf?


    ANY coach and ANY qb would take a non interception over a remarkable defensive play any day


    you guys are taking this too far
     
  19. cdnfinfan

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    Yes two picks leading to your teams failures (and really could have been two more) are much worse than the ones tanne lucked out on. Much worse
     
  20. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Of course you missed the point. The point was, Cousins two picks, ESPECIALLY the McCain pick, were phenomenal, very low odds plays, as opposed to the two balls Tanne had dropped. Cousins, in your mind played much worse, based on the Dolphins making excellence plays, while Tannehill played better based on Redskins defenders failing to make fairly nominal plays.

    I was just trying to get you to look at the difference in perception, even though Tannehill's almost picks were way, WAY worse throws than the Cousins throws that were picks.
     
  21. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Also, did you just refer to the Redskins as my team? Or am I reading the "your teams failures" comment wrong?
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Also, if you want to play odds, a QB throwing balls like Tannehill threw will be picked off far more than a QB throwing the balls Cousins threw.

    And I disagree with your assessment of what coaches/QB would take. I think they'll take the remarkable play any day over bad throws right to defenders. A remarkable play is just that: remarkable...ie, unlikely to be repeated. A bad throw to a defender is a bad throw to a defender.
     
  23. Tannephins

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    What bothered me about Tannehill is that he didn't seem to show any more command of the offense than he has in the past, whether that be with Lazor's offense or Sherman's. He didn't seem to show an increased command of the offense that would allow him to pick apart defenses the way the very good QBs often do.
     
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  24. Fin-Omenal

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    I kind of blame Lazor/Philbin for this...he cant even audible if i temember right. Which is not putting enough trust in your qb to succeed.
     
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  25. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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  26. Fin D

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    This is frustrating.

    I don't give 2 ****s, 4 ****s or 7 damns about Tannehill's 4th quarter rating for the season. It is a meaningless stat as it can be skewed by numerous things and it does not tell the whole story.

    The GB game, Tannehill in the 4 th quarter, marched the team down the field and scored for the lead. All the defense had to do was hold. They didn't and we lost. You, Finster, said you don't care about the long ball as long as he wins games in the 4th. So by that logic, because the defense lost the GB game after Tannehill had it won in the 4th, he is penalized.

    I cannot make that any easier for you to understand what our gripe is. At this point, I don't care that you'll disagree with me, I just want you to understand what we've all been saying because you haven't yet.
     
  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I cant believe yall are still goin at it...lol.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    32 pages and weve played all of one game
    ....yikes

    Fin u started this cuz your a thread whore..admit it...heee hee...

    Kiddddingggggg
     
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  29. AdamC13

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    I thought Miami's defense did hold GB to a three and out giving the offense a chance to run out the clock with a little under 4 minutes left but couldn't.

    Giving Aaron Rodgers the ball with 2:00 to go in the game is probably like a 10% chance of winning...no better than 25%.
     
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  30. padre31

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    I'm happy he hit Jordan on that deep pass, thing of beauty.

    Completely happy to have THill at Qb, he does not suck
     
  31. Fin-Omenal

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    This heppened. But lets pretend it didnt.
     
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  32. Fin-Omenal

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    Captain obvious, ehh..
     
  33. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    We tend to over think things as fans.

    If anything, my only quibble is he relied on Landry to much, Defenses will take that away
     
  34. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    The GB game saw some of the best of RT17, but it has to be mentioned, with 2 awful picks as well, but he played great for the most part, but it's just 1 game, as I said, I understand there were defensive problems, but what happened in the Lions game, Tanne blew an easy TD pass to Clay from the 4 yard line, the 2 men were less than 10 yards apart, and the pass was so off that Clay had to spin around and catch it going backwards which made him fall, that was as easy a TD as you can ask for, he follows that with another poorly placed pass to Clay from the 2, we settle for 3, and the Lions drive for a TD, yes, the defense let up, but IF Tanne had taken the gimmie TD it would only have tied, and that IS on Tanne and no one else, he HAS to make that easy pass, that is leaving points on the field in the 4th quarter.

    In the Ravens game, Tanne has Wallace as wide open as you can get from the 11 yard line and misses, the reaction from each sideline told the story there, jubilation on the Ravens side, heads hanging down on the Fins side, we had a chance to take the lead in the 4th quarter, but came away trailing by 1 because we had to settle for 3, and that was the straw that broke the camels back, momentum killer for the Fins, after playing them tough all day, after that, Fins went in the tank. Points left on the field in the 4th quarter.

    In the first Jets game, 4th quarter, tied, Gibson wide open in the EZ from the 2, and Tanne is so off Gibson can't even get a hand on it, we win by 3, but point's left on the field in the 4th quarter.

    One of the most troubling things about these plays is that they were all of the "automatic" variety, how can you miss so badly from such a short distance, there is only one answer, nerves, that is what he has to overcome, building confidence is the only way, and there are no guarantees, nerves are funny, everybody has them, but everybody is affected differently, franchise QBs rise to the occasion and make GREAT throws in those instances, never mind automatic throws.

    I am doubtful that he can overcome this problem, most don't, but I wouldn't rule him out because he is just the type to be the exception, I know most wouldn't know this, but I'm quite impressed with his development, and I like him as a player, he has come a very long way, he showed great poise from day one, in that the NFL wasn't too big for him, despite his lack of experience and technique, and that takes a strong work ethic and belief in ones self, and if he did overcome this problem, I would be a huge fan.
     
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  35. jdang307

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    Boom.

    Let's not forget in GB if the offense gets a couple first downs they win. And the defense was given no favors when Philbin screwed them by calling a time out. They sacked him and had them on the ropes. Oh my we just sacked Rodgers we need time to breathe!
     
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  36. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    -3.6 to be exact. But of course that's a B- :headscratch:
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    Uh, the defense also had to limit GB in the first half as well?
     
  38. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    I love how PFF is trash and garbage, etc, until it supports an agenda. PFF also said he's a top 10 QB...which way do you want it?
     
  39. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    The benchmark always moves.

    He sat down with the lead that he engineered. Had the defense held, you guys would have said he won a big game in the fourth quarter and he'd have done nothing different. It is crazy the lengths you guys will go.
     
  40. cdnfinfan

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    wow you are so stuck on proving YOUR point you are completely missing THE point

    two interceptions REGARDLESS of the throws will ALWAYS be worse than two NEAR interceptions...ALWAYS.

    football is a results oriented game not one played out with hypotheticals.

    cousins could have easily been picked off two more times in that game as well, once by JT ( an easy one...but who's counting cuz it wasn't tannehill that threw it right?) and one near the end of the game(that thankfully didn't)
     

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