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Scary Stat about Dolphins playing from behind

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  1. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Does'nt his username stand for Larry Meisterbrau III ? That's what I thought anyways.:lol:
     
  2. Fin4Ever

    Fin4Ever Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    My son and I were discussing our offense and their slow starts in a lot of games..We feel it could possibly be that they have 15 or so scripted plays, and no matter what's happening in the game come hell or high water Philbin instructs him to use those 15 first, and only those 15...thoughts from others?
     
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  3. Fin4Ever

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    Yes, in Club their is proof with the stats of all 32..very telling...check it out there.
     
  4. cbrad

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    Those 15 should be some of the best designed plays (based on game tape of the opponent) you'll have during the game. Those are plays the opponent shouldn't be prepared for, and hasn't already seen in the game. Maybe you don't want to use them all, but if they're on average not working well (relative to other teams' first 15 scripted plays), then it's an indictment of the ability of coaches to prepare a team for the opponent.

    No, I think our coaches just aren't as good at coming up with a good game plan at the start of the game.
     
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  5. Fin D

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    While there is a more detailed post in Club it does not in anyway prove what JC was asking.
     
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  6. Fin-Omenal

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    We have stats showing Ryan is a poor 3rd down and 4th Qtr QB (as crucial of moments in a game) yet i have not seen any comments about that from you?
     
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  7. Fin D

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    Do you we have those stats? Cause its been shown that when down by 7 or less, Tannehill has a 99+ rating.
     
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  8. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Could you post that cherry picked stat line?
     
  9. Kud_II

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    Speaks entirely to coaching preparedness. Philbin is a limp noodle.
     
  10. resnor

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    Yeah, that's cherry picked, but favoring 4th quarter rating over his whole rating isn't. SMH
     
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  11. resnor

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    There you go.
     
  12. Ronnie Bass

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    Ahhhh, did you not see the stat in the opening post? I have been watching every game of the Philbin era and you really don't stats, sources, articles or data to know this teams MO is to come out flat and unprepared on a consistent basis. Who would you blame for that?
     
  13. Finster

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    I guess it was my fault for not saying link, but I wanted a link to this stat line.

    However, it's still a small sample size, which is why I said cherry picked, over 1/4 of Tanne's attempts from 2014 are in the 4th quarter, he threw for 1000 yards in the 4th quarter, the 2nd and 4th quarters are the only qtrs where he surpassed 1000 yds, they were his biggest passing qtrs by far (att 171 and 169), and his lowest rated qtrs, 87 in the 2nd and 79 in the 4th.

    The Fins aren't winning games in the 4th, and Tanne's poor play could certainly be a main contributor, there are other contributors, but it would be ignoring reality to say that he would have nothing to do with the problem.

    If you could show me other QBs that have similar stats, that would be something, but there really isn't any good QBs that have such a huge drop off in the 4th, and this has been consistent for Tanne, and the Fins FO has already said he needs to get better in crunch time, and the 4th quarter is crunch time.

    Is it your stance that Tanne is fine in these situations?
     
  14. Finster

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  15. roy_miami

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    If the other team makes a play somebody in the game thread will invariably say the team is flat. It happens every time including in the Chargers and Raiders games, clearly our team couldn't possibly have been flat in those games so why should I ever believe you energy level "experts?"

    Also, if the team was "flat" for Washington then how do you explain this?

    http://www.miamidolphins.com/multim...-Micd-Up/6b8151be-d735-4df4-970f-59af9c87f21e
     
  16. Rock Sexton

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    It's pretty simple.

    Offense notoriously starts these games slow. Which then forces the defense to carry the load early and affects the playcalling on that side of the ball significantly ...... then as we've seen commonly in second halves there's a disconnect. The offense starts to come alive a little and the defense is gassed - especially late in the season.

    There's a reason the Dolphins have a less than .500 record under Philbin. A major reason is those slow starts. Tannehill's performance in the 4th Q last year trailing by 7 is an improvement, but again small sample size given the overall body of work. He's gotta show it this year too before I start putting any stock in it.
     
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  17. resnor

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    Do I think Tannehill is fine in the 4th? No. Do I think he bears all the blame? No. The oline consistently allowing four man rushes to get pressure, thereby allowing 7 guys in coverage, plays a big part. The complete lack of a run game in the fourth quarter plays a big part. When you're down more than 7, and the defense can just rush 4 while dropiping 7, the game becomes extremely difficult for the offense.

    It's hard to really judge Tannehill on some of this stuff, without first fixing worse problems, so that we can see where Tannehill actually is.
     
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  18. Rock Sexton

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    Well again, that depends on your viewpoint. Myself, I find his pocket awareness lacking so it compounds the problem in the 4th. That's not to say the O-line gets a pass though. Again, it's a symbiotic relationship.

    It's concerning to me that he's not adjusting protections and whatnot yet. That's an integral part of the chess match in stemming a pass rush.
     
  19. Finster

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    Well I can pretty much agree with most of this, I was banging the table for Olineman this offseason, Rock can back that up, I wanted Marpet in the 2nd, I actually predicted he would go in the 2nd prior to the combine, and I was all for the Fins spending 2 or 3 picks on Oline to FINALLY fix the problem, because the Oline is and has been a problem, the defense is also a problem, well at least last year, so I am not dismissing these problems.

    Also, it would certainly help Tanne to gain some confidence if he didn't have to worry about the Oline, my problem is that most franchise QBs don't have to get confidence, they are already brimming with it, so it's concerning to me that Tanne isn't.

    I am very critical on the most critical position on the field, there are only a handful of quality QBs in the league at any given time, the QB dump is full of players with a lot of potential, only a very rare few have what it takes, I haven't seen it from Tanne yet, and I remain critical.

    As I've said before though, he is the type of guy to be the exception, so maybe he will be, I don't think we disagree all that much, I think I just focus on Tanne more than the other things because that is the critical position.
     
  20. resnor

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    Most "franchise QBs" played 4 years at the position in college, too. I'm not surprised that Tannehill came into the league a little behind in some of the areas. That being said, he's in his fourth year. I think the limited college starts reason is about done with.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    I didn't cherry pick it. The scenario given out by Fin-O (not me) was:

    Being down by 7 or less in the 4th quarter sure as hell seems like the defintion of....

    No?

    And cherry picked??????? Weren't you guys complaining that he doesn't get the job done on 4th quarter comebacks?
     
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  22. cuchulainn

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    In 2014:
    #28 in 1st qtr scoring, ahead of San Diego, Oakland, Tampa, and TN.
    #15 in 2nd qtr
    #1 in 3rd qtr
    #22 in 4th qtr

    Link - https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/3rd-quarter-points-per-game?date=2015-02-01
     
  23. Finster

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    I think these are results not causes.
     
  25. Boik14

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    Yeah, those stats are lame. Since Ryan's been in the league he should be tied in 4th quarter comebacks with Luck or Wilson but coaching cost him 3 last year alone. Any comments in response to that? Any comments in response to the fact that Tannehill has a coach who single-handedly lost games vs Detroit, GB, and Denver last year? That cost Ryan 3 4th quarter comebacks.

    You see in the world of sabermetrics and situational stats, managers or coaches only have 3 possible affects on a team: Positive, neutral or negative. When the coach is a net positive (i.e. Belichick, John Harbaugh) thats an unexpected boost. When a coach or manager is neutral and is able to strictly follow trends or percentages thats the expected result. When the coach is a negative thats a huge problem. Joe Philbin, especially in situations that require time management, is the worst coach in the league. Rotoworld, NFL.com, and a handful of other sites rated him as such out of the experienced coaches last offseason. He should have been gone 2 years ago. Now, the biggest problem with this is that it makes reading Tannehills overall skills really difficult for some. I see a guy who finished last year as a player I had rated as the 10th best QB in the league and is ascending. I still believe that because I havent seen anything to make me believe otherwise.
     
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  26. roy_miami

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    Philbin "single-handily" cost Tannehill a comeback in the Denver game? What, on his comeback drive did he tell Tannehill to throw it to the other team just to make the comeback a little more challenging?

    That said I apologize if your post was sarcasm, I honestly can't tell in this instance.
     
  27. Ronnie Bass

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    Do you always post dumb comments? No offense man, but what on earth does 1) the GDT have to do with my opinion - or yours - and 2) again what on earth am I suppose to explain in that video?
     
  28. Boik14

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    Im sorry but how many times does a coach have to watch his team get run on before he figures out a way to stop it? At what point during a 300 yard rush attack does a coach say Im taking over? Im sorry a coach with no balls never does. Thats Joe Philbin. His balls are in a jar somewhere because somewhere along the way, he lost his nerve. At what point is 36 points not enough vs an opposing top 5 defense? And Ill answer that rhetorical question....when your coach sucks and cant figure out a way to stop the other team.
     
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  29. roy_miami

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    You guys say the team looks flat every single game. Every. Single. Game. Even the games we win 37-0. For the Oakland game everybody was quick on the trigger to call the team flat after Philbin refused to name a starting QB, everybody expected the team to quit on the coach. Literally minutes after the "flat" brigade came out posting about how flat we were we stopped them on 4th and 1 and a few plays after that Wallace was dragging 3 defenders in the endzone. So how can that criticism be taken seriously?

    As for the Landry video who gets the credit for him being fired up?
     
  30. roy_miami

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    Tannehill had the ball in his hand and time to score, down four points. McCarthy doesn't get the credit for Rodgers game winning drive in a similar situation against us. So Philbin shouldn't get the blame when Tannehill fails to convert in a similar situation.
     
  31. Ronnie Bass

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    You guys?? Who the hell is you guys? And show me where I said this - "You guys say the team looks flat every single game. Every. Single. Game."

    I'll wait buddy. Saying they do it consistently doesn't means they do it every game, it means they have done it over a long period of time, there are going to be times they get the better early of a team, but for the most part, they don't. And for me that falls on coaching, and getting coming back on a regular basis, it's tiring and very risky long term.

    As for who gets credit for Landry getting fired up - Landry. Though idea what that has to do with the rest of the 53-man team.
     
  32. Fin-Omenal

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    You wasted alot of time typing that. Im Pro Tannehill no matter what anyone wants to say....but im also not niave to his faults. Oddly it seems im a rare breed around here.
     
  33. resnor

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    I wouldn't characterize your posting style in regards to Tannehill as "pro-Tannehill." But that could be due to a variety of legitimate reasons. Nonetheless, I think that several of us should be considered more balanced in our view of Tannehill than we currently are.

    LOL
     
  34. Piston Honda

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    I get what you're saying but what did you want Philbin to do, load the box to stop the run vs Peyton Manning, with the secondary in shambles due to injury? Davis, Thomas, Finnegan were all out, Taylor went down early in the game. Coyle was down to Grimes, Wilson and whoever #41 was. They has to sign a guy off the street and start him at CB vs NY a week later.
     
  35. Fin-Omenal

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    Well, I'm certainly not Anti Tanny...
     
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