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Which tier would you say Tannehill belongs to?

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  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    LMAO

    I thought at least this game wouldn't have everyone crying about about Tannehill.
     
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  2. jw3102

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  3. texanphinatic

    texanphinatic Senior Member

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    This more than anything else. This is what makes him T3. A 2 will win these games more often than not. A 1 will almost always. I see QBs 1-5 as T1, then 6-10 as T2 and then T3. I cannot put Tannehill in the top 10. He is not LOSING us games, and is not the problem with the team, but he is NOT pushing us ahead a level. He is not covering for crappy OL, not covering for sub-par receiving talent, not covering for a lacking RB. Guys like Brady, Rogers, Luck? Those guys cover for ****ty units and make the playoffs. Tannehill does not.

    He is better than anything we could potentially have found in the last year or two, and may against be the next offseason, but it is time (if he doesn't bump himself up a level) to at least take a hard look at drafting another in the first. Plenty of time left in the season, but if we finish out of the playoffs and/or .500 or below, hard to have faith that he is the leader to take us to the next level.
     
  4. bakedmatt

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    The Matt Ryans won 6 games last year, and 4 the year before that. Is he the QB you want to base this point on?
     
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  5. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    one they could run. i'm assuming we have the qbs having to throw and not rely on the run gm and two statistically they may have been one of the worse but ours always looked a lot worse to me. i mean we havent had a decent line since the first year of ireland/sparano.
     
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  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    he did all of that today. he was the only thing working. there was no run game and no defense in the first half and he singlehandedly kept us in the game. i mean if we have a kicker who can make field goals and they dont get that lucky fg at the end of the first half we win. he's not superman. no one is going to put up 40 points with that kind of performance from the oline. im amazed we put up 20
     
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  7. jw3102

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    Tannehill isn't the reason the Dolphins lost today. Yet he also didn't make the plays a QB needs to make in the 4th quarter of a close game to win the game.

    This is was a complete team loss and as the the person playing the most important position on the team. He needs to step up and put the team on his shoulders in the fourth quarter of games like today.

    He is being paid as if he is one of the best QB's in the league and is the second highest paid player on the Dolphins. So more is expected from him then he as shown over the first two games against relatively weak competition.
     
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  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    you didnt see the game did you. him escaping sacks and completing throws on the run?
     
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  9. resnor

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    People say "put the team on his back" or "make plays."

    WTF DO THEY MEAN??? There's all these cute little catch phrases that get trotted out, but they have zero basis in reality. Seriously, what MORE did you want from Tannehill today? Don't give me "score more points" or similar BS. What, specifically, could Tannehill have done better today? I mean, the difference between a win and loss is a crazy 58 yard field goal by them and a missed, what, 51 yarder by us?

    No run game, and a defense that can't generate any pressure. But the guy with a 108 rating, 350+ yards and 2 tds is DEFINITELY the problem.

    GTFO

    I bet BB would kill to grab Tannehill to take over for Brady.
     
  10. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    The Falcons won so few games the past two years because they just didn't have a very good team. If you are asking if I would rather have Ryan or Tannehill. I would take Ryan as my starting QB.

    Ryan has more 4th quarter comeback wins than any other QB over the last 7 years. I wanted Ryan in the 2008 draft and I still feel that passing on him is one of the major reasons the Dolphins have remained a mediocre franchise in recent years.
     
  11. 77FinFan

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    Still standing at the end of the game has to mean something. Tough SOB.
     
  12. bakedmatt

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    No, I wasn't asking who you would rather have. I was saying your argument was bad when you said that good QBs win in spite of the **** going on around them and used Matt Ryan, who has just come off of two losing seasons, as your example.
     
  13. pumpdogs

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    Watch a colts game and then you will understand.
     
  14. jw3102

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    Tannehill could have led the team to more than seven points in the second half against a bad Jags defense. In the last two games the seven points scored by the offense today were the only points the offense scored in the second half of either game.
    If you are happy with a QB who has led his team to a total of 3 TD's in 8 quarters against bad defenses, so be it.

    As far as BB wanting Tannehill as the teams backup until Brady retires. I think he is pretty satisfied with his backup at this time, but I guess he would be willing to pay Tannehill a couple of million dollars a year to sit on the bench until Brady retires in 4-5 years. By that time, I am sure BB will have found a suitable replacement for Brady and I don't think it would be an over 30 year old Tannehill.
     
  15. resnor

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    Like the one they lost week?

    As I figured, you don't have an answer...because there is no answer. The QB has to have other parts of the team doing something. He doesn't just go out and throw tds to himself, and repeatedly sack the opposing QB into oblivion for 60 minutes.
     
  16. resnor

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    How would he do that? I didn't get to watch the second half, but he threw for like 200+ yards.
     
  17. Stitches

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    I'd say the difference was Atlanta won the turnover battle.
     
  18. pumpdogs

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    Luck has been winninig with no running game,no line,no defence for 3 years.
     
  19. resnor

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    I'll watch again next week. Will be amazing to see him throwing tds to himself, and sacking the opposing QB into oblivion for 60 minutes.
     
  20. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I merely mentioned what happened in the Falcons-Giants game today in which the Falcons were held to 56 yards rushing, but still were able to win the game because of the passing of Ryan. As he has done numerous times in his NFL career, he was able to lead his team to a win in the 4th quarter of a close game.
    This is one area Tannehill has shown no real ability and it doesn't matter if you throw for 500 yards in a game if you can't get the job done when the game is on the line.
     
  21. Stitches

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    By what measure have the Jags or Redskins shown themselves to have bad defenses so far this season?
     
  22. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Again. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? You guys act like the QB singlehandedly magically makes plays to win games. It's not the case. This mentality is driven by the media frenzy that glorifies one position above all others.
     
  23. Fin4Ever

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    Nobody figured you would..I have been a fan since inception 66, and man for such a supposed longtime season ticket holder Dolfan, I am really starting to find your 99.9% negativity old & frustrating. Man, would you just try to be a little bit more positive? Say, start with 5% more positive and we can take Baby steps from there. We are all frustrated, but most of us kinda know it will be a roller coaster ride until P&C are bye bye birdie.
     
  24. bakedmatt

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    I guess he must have forgotten how to do that for two years.
     
  25. Fin-Omenal

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    These "playmakers" are getting a free pass imo. Where is this deep ball expert who actually fights for the ball!! What about the FA WR we shouldve always had in Greg Jennings?

    On that crucial play where Ryan was strip/Sacked from behind....he actually had more time than normal but looked perplexed like nobody was open. Id love to see how covered these fine skill guys were to be honest. That was a crucial play and despite it being par for the course in regards to the OL Im guessing one of three things happened.

    1.) These elite skill players were unable to get open.
    2.) Our Off coor called yet another slow developing bad play.
    3.) Ryan did a poor job of reading the field.

    And for the record, Lazor is going full Dan Henning on these ridiculous half PA pass attempts and sticking with it in dumb scenarios and not eliminating it when needed.
     
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  26. jw3102

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    Agreed, but when they needed a long drive at the end of the game to win. Ryan made the plays a QB needs to make to lead his team down the field and scored the TD they needed to put the game away.

    I have been waiting over three years to see Tannehill show this ability. Perhaps I am still spoiled by all the 4th quarter wins by the Dolphins during the Marino era, but that is what I expect from our hundred million dollar QB.

    The worst starting QB in the league could have probably led the Dolphins offense to three offenses TD's against the Redskins and the Jags the past two weeks.
     
  27. bakedmatt

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    Question: Does that make Cam Newton or Nick Foles the worst, because they didn't lead their offenses to 3 TDs vs these teams?
     
  28. Stitches

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    One of the Panthers TDs was a pick 6, so let's not try and give them too much credit.
     
  29. bakedmatt

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    I guess that makes Cam and Nick 1/3 as good as the worst QB.
     
  30. jw3102

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    I don't see my comments as negative. I merely comment on what I observe. I have been stating for the past six years that this is nothing but a mediocre team and please tell me when I have been wrong.
    When they finally get a decent HC and start playing a better brand of football, I will be happy to be more positive about the team. Until then, I can only base my comments on what I see on the field and so far this year, it appears nothing has changed from what I have observed for at least the last three years under this coaching staff.

    As far as a positive comment is concerned. My grandsons are great and I have the best wife in the world and have for the past 42 years. Is that positive enough for you?
     
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  31. jw3102

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    Yep.
     
  32. bakedmatt

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    :huh:

    Godspeed.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    hes right about in the middle of the league so whatever tier that is.
     
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  34. MAFishFan

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    If Tannehill was the problem today then this team is EFFED. Seeing he's one of the few who showed up. Holy hell people.
     
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  35. bran

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    who the hell is going to bite on a play action when you cant run the ****ing football?
     
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    lol yeah. play action when down in the 4th quarter with what? sub 40 yards rushing or something on the game? At a certain point all you can do is laugh.
     
  37. bran

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    what makes it even funnier is how the play is drawn up. the dolphins are in the shotgun 99% of the time and then all of a sudden tannehill is under center, you could see it coming a mile away.
     
  38. AdamC13

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    Clearly Tier 3 at this point.
     
  39. jdang307

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    Ummm. They lost. So no, he did not do any of that. The point is, when other units falter is Tanny the guy who grabs the bull by the horns? No.

    He did not lose us game. He played well. With the running game non-existent, we still had a chance to win the game because the defense finally started stopping the Jags.

    So with time running out The offense had many chances to win the game. It didn't happen. Again, he did not lose the game, but didn't win it either.

    So he's tier 3. That's not a bad tier. You can win Super Bowls. But he has not shown he belongs in Brees Big Ben territory and Brees looking like he doesn't belong there either but he's old
     
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  40. Finster

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    I thought he played like a tier 2 QB most of the day, but at the end of the day is still a tier 3 QB.
     
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