Merged: Suh's post interview / Suh Freelancing?

Suh was being beaten 1 on 1 for a good part of the game, that has NOTHING to do with scheme, you have to beat the man in front of you.

 

I actually feel the opposite. On the last play, Tannehill was looking deep when he had Jarvis Landry wide open to the left sideline. With Landry's RAC ability it could have been a 10+ yard gain in under 10 seconds. I think we had enough time to get to at least the 40 something yard line and try a long FG.

 

Yea, and Landry was [SUB]Wallace[/SUB] furious after that play.

 

He was beat last week by Brandon Scherff too and everyone kept saying he was double teamed and cutblocked all game as an excuse (which is made up btw) lol scherff handled him without a problem ..

 

I'll trust the All-Pro over the defensive coordinator we all know is incompetent.

And as Jeff Darlington notes, Ross adores Suh. This is probably the last player on the team Joe Philbin should be creating acrimony with.

 

How about we stop blaming Suh & blame our horrendous O-Line!

 

I hope Ross enjoys his empty stadium

 

I don't know about just blaming Sug, but the Defense had just as much to do with that loss our the Oline IMO

 

I don't think anyone disagrees with this. But he's also an All-World type of player. So one would think you would want his input. I'll elaborate more on what I mean below.

I disagree completely with both of these statements. Thus far, through eight quarters of football, we've treated Suh like a Nose Tackle. He's played 1 gap and zero gap at times. The majority of the games all we are asking him to do is eat two blocks and get cut. I'm not sure why we felt the need to pay someone 100 million dollars to do this - you can find much cheaper alternatives elsewhere.

The reason Suh got paid isn't because he's a fat nose tackle. It's because he is a disruptive force from the 3 technique. It's the same spot that Warren Sapp wreaked havoc from a decade ago. Thus far, at least in the games I've watched, I've not seen much (if any) of this type of usage. Instead, we have him eating blocks all day.

I have absolutely no idea what the coaching staff is doing with our defensive line - and from the sound of it, nor do the players. We're literally just using the guy to do nothing but eat blocks and get cut all game long. No wonder he's frustrated. Maybe it's just me, but I envisioned Suh being used all along the defensive line, in an effort to provide mismatches. I'm absolutely dumbfounded that we have not found a way to incorporate both Suh and Wake together to form a consistent pass rush.

We have some of the NFL's most talented defensive linemen. It's pathetic that through 2 games we have a total of 1 sack and that came from Jordan Phillips. That's just criminal. And that's on the coaching staff.

 

So true, so frustrating.

 

I don't think anyone is really RIGHT here.

I'm not saying Suh is right. He's got a hundred million dollar contract that makes him believe whatever he happens to think is right and **** any coach who makes a tenth of what he makes for thinking he's wrong.

To some extent I believe that if Mike Zimmer (whom I respect) were coaching the Dolphins, he could be running into the same problem with Suh, Mitchell, possibly Wake, maybe Vernon as well.

That said, it is absolutely the job of coaches to find ways to get the players to buy in. You either do that, or you're going to end up fired. When you're fired you can sit on your couch and blame the players all you want but you'll still be sitting on your couch instead of in your office. I hate war analogies for football but I mean, when the price of failure is death you're a little less obsessed with ideas of blame and propriety. Some coaches are going to have the same scheme as you, the same players with the same big contracts, and they're going to get their guys to buy in...and if you don't, c'est la vie.

But not buying in tends to be destructive on both sides. It's how a guy with a $100 million contract can end up with that contract cut short, and his next contract pays him at half the rate. So they need to figure this out. Luckily it's Week 2.

 

There might be an argument for not breaking the bank on a veteran player to the tune of Suh's contract until you have a coaching staff with a track record in place that can balance the influence that player is going to have by virtue of what the franchise is paying him. You're sort of creating an "unstable" situtation in that sort of scenario.

Think of the Lakers with Shaq and Kobe. How do you think that would've worked out with someone other than Phil Jackson? How have things worked out with Kobe since?

 

I'm not sure if you were watching Suh, I was, he was being handled 1 on 1, and I don't really care where on the line he lines up, 1 on 1 he should be winning those battles and he's not, and they weren't cut blocking yesterday, nor were they doubling him a lot.

Suh has to win 1 on 1, period, no excuses, you don't pay a DT 114 mil to get handled 1 on 1.

 

I don't care how dominating a player is NO player is going to win every 1on1 battle.

and I'm not sure what game you were watching but Suh was getting doubled quite a bit.

 

I made this observation in club. One on one saw him stonewalled by the guard a couple of times.

 

Oh boy, here we go....why Suh??

Suh apparently has decided he knows more than Coyle, so he was freelancing his own plays. This ship is going down by the head.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...h-ignored-defensive-coordinators-calls-sunday

*Sorry mods, you can merge this.

 

I agree. Philbin was a career assistant coach prior to Ross giving him the opportunity to come to Miami and ruin the next four years for Dolphin fans.
He still acts like an assistant coach and therefore he refuses to get rid of his coaches, even if they are incompetent. In fact if not for Ross forcing him to fire Sherman as the OC, Sherman would still be the OC of the Dolphins today.
Of course with Lazor as the OC, we really didn't get an upgrade over Sherman.

Right now it is fairly obvious that the Dolphins have perhaps the worst overall coaching staff in the NFL. Because it certainly appears on paper that the Dolphin players are more talented than they play under this coaching staff.

 

He got pancaked by Scherff one play.

 

Coyle is proven. Suh is not.


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Coyle is proven at what? Sucking as a Defensive Coordinator?

 

Care to elaborate? Or just venting?

 

Mostly venting. But Coyle isn't exactly doing a great job. Clearly you disagree.

 

Well, he's not the only one pissed at Coyle's uselessness. See Starks, Odrick, Wake, now Suh.

Maybe, just maybe the guys on the field do have a clue I'm regards to their own abilities and what's happening in the field. Good coaches listen and take that into consideration, ours apparently are incapable, or unwilling by the sounds of things.

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Yes.

Proven.

 

Regardless of what the players think, they should not freelance. A coach should be approachable and listen, and give his strong opinion as to why he wants things done a particular way. A good coach should also consider what the guys on the field say, and incorporate things when needed. But a player should never take things into his own hands.

IF indeed Suh was "freelancing", as a head coach, I would tell him, "You get one. This is not 'Suh casa'. This is ME casa. And if you want to freelance, become a writer. Next time, you will get fined no questions asked."

Regardless of what Suh thinks, his paycheck is still signed by Stephen Ross. This is not his world. He's a player in Stephen Ross' world. There are 47 other players on the field. If Suh can get away with it, why not the other guys?

If this is true, this better get nipped in the bud like yesterday. Because if not, this staff will will end up paying.....with the axe.

 

But we know our staff can't/won't do that. Our head coach has trouble looking people in the eye when addressing them.

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Yeah, that's what I'm afraid of, but we'll see. I'm as pissed as anyone, but there is still plenty of time to make adjustments. Hope they can hash it out for a successful season. Everybody loses at some point (except for ONE team). Might as well be now. Maybe this will motivate the players and coaches. I'm very, very surprised by the penalties. I'm also very surprised that Tannehill did not bring this team back for the potential win. I thought we passed that bridge already. I'm more worried about that than Suh....for now.

 

So.. are we sure he freelanced?

Philbin and Coyle (after watching game tape), and a bunch of defensive players are claiming Suh didn't freelance:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...h-was-ignoring-play-calls-20150921-story.html

Maybe this is a false alarm..

 

I actually really liked the way Philbin approached this. Cover up or not, this is the way it should be handled. The bad part is that Philbin watched the "entire tape" with the staff. I don't know if this is typical of his Mondays or not. If not, this was a waste of his time when he could've been doing whatever it is he typically does.

And before anyone chimes in, regardless of what you personally think, even "bad" NFL coaches put in good work.

 

3 tackles in 2 games best 114 million dollars since albert haynesworth. except fat al had 4 tackles in his first game for washington. fat al also complained about his coordinators..............

 

if he had pride, maybe he would make a tackle, or even a QB pressure. Suh sucks it didn't work now we are stuck. instead he gets shut down by a rookie.

 

Scherff was cut blocking Suh for most of the first quarter.

 

great players make plays regardless of scheme. Suh can't even get a tackle and blames the scheme. I never saw reggie white saying the scheme was the problem... Probably bc reggie white doesn't/didn't suck.

 

wow so first everyone was turning onTannehill now its suh?

geez, of all the poor players and coaches on the team you guys seem to focus alot of your energy on the wrong guys

 

BINGO. Put him back with the responsibilities that made him an All-Pro.

If I remember correctly that is one of the same mistakes Washington made with Haynesworth (since everyone keeps comparing the two) playing him as 1 gap when he had made his hay at 3 gap. Coyle seems to be making the same mistake here with Suh. It makes no sense to play him basically out of position. Put him back in the spot where he has been the best in the game for the last 5 years and see if he succeeds there before you say he stinks.

 

Just a question because I don't know (considering gap responsibilities, etc.): did the Lions play out of 4-3 or 3-4?

 

4-3, with Suh playing mostly penetrating DT and also a bit of DE.