Will you consider tannehill still a franchise QB if he doesnt lead us to playoffs?

his job is to lead his unit to points, any way possible..

There were 6 possessions to end the game that went scoreless...are you telling me he had an A performance in the game Res?

B sure, but I Think A is a bit much.

 

I do think he had an A. He cannot fix the oline or bad drops from receivers that killed a couple drives.

 

5 consecutive punts against a suspect Jags secondary in a close game. Just not good enough.

 

Kind of like the modified offense for Tanne?

That team was a 500 team imo, Porter and Penne were the difference in a lot of close games, guys were real leaders, and without Penne next year 7-9.

 

havent had the old deep ball yet in two games, couple of nice mid range ones though.

 

5 conseutive scoreless drives in a tie game is not an A res..run for a first down once in a while if drops are such a freakin concern on third down, take some matter into your own hands..get in your cordinators face during the week and tell him you want the pocket to move more to mitigate the pressure that the oline is giving up..

 

This is literally it. We went almost two decades to looking for a QB to almost a decade still looking for an offensive line. I can't believe how inept this franchise is at building a viable team. At this point I would literally use every draft pick next year on offensive line just to give us better odds at finally fixing it

 

That's fine. Call it a B, when we needed A. Whatever you like. He played well though.

 

And the other drives? All they needed was field goal range and everything changes. At a certain point, the buck does stop with him. He had a delay of game that hurt a drive as well. 5 yard penalty, and they had to punt 4th and 6. Without the penalty it's possible the receiver dives for the first down and the drive is extended. Again, not his fault he played well, but if that's whats keeping someone from giving him an A, so be it I have no beef with that.

 

[video=youtube;P4wEoMl9BOE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4wEoMl9BOE[/video]

 

Patience my bud, patience.

We can win. We just need a good run of drafting, with decent to good coaching, and we can make a run for a few years. Is it going to be Brady Belichick? Naw, Tanny's already too old. Could it be Drew Brees/Payton? Possibly. Possibly. But we still need to do it. You are effing up if a team like the Cardinals, who play in a TOUGH division last year, are getting into the playoffs with 3rd string QBs. Effing up badly.

Arians is killing it out there in AZ by the way. 10 years later and Palmer is reaching his 2005 level lol. I could only imagine what Arians would do with Tannehill. We see Luck regressing without him.

 

Really we run the wild cat? Didn't realize it. Meh

 

Modified does not = wildcat, both QBs have modified systems to deal with their lack of deep threat.

 

I have not seen any either, but apparently we missed several because on another thread someone was saying he threw several lol

 

Wasn't there a false start prior to the delay of game? Or a sack? There was something before that. We also missed a 42 yard field goal, and had a 58 yarder hit against us.

Again, it's hard to really fault Tannehill for anything, when the oline is playing as poorly as it is, and he is getting zero support in the run game. As to Tannehill running the ball...that's great. However, I watched Luck run all over the place last night, and still only put 7 points up on the board. At some point, everyone has to realize, it's NOT all on the QB. The other parts of the team need to step up, and at least play average ball. For going on four seasons now, we're constantly arguing about the QB...the QB that, more often than not, is playing AT LEAST average football, many times playing much better than average, while every other part of the team plays below average ball...and yet, despite this stuff staring people in the face, they continue to harp on Tannehilll, and what HE needs to do to play better. I'm sorry. I don't agree. Fix the real problems, and see what Tannehill looks like.

DJ, holding Tannehill responsible for not enough points, in a game where he had ZERO help, had a 42 yarder missed and a 58 yarder hit against him (where the refs gave the Jags an extra two yards, without that, the kick misses), is EXACTLY the point I was making last night. It's a TEAM SPORT for a reason.

 

The modified system has NOTHING to do with the complete lack of protection from the oline, I'm sure.

 

Yes, in both cases.

 

That's not even close to the truth. There's a deep route in almost every play on this offense. Just watch it from the right view points, you'll see it. We just cant execute it, either due to poor blocking, coverage, or an incorrect read, or a better passing decision that's less risky elsewhere. Lazor has even said it himself. The routes and options are there, but they'd rather take what the defense gives them, rather then risk it if it's not necessary.

Stop passing yourself off as an expert with misinformation

 

Of course they have deep routes, so did Penne's Fins, but both Os are grounded in the short passing game.

 

The problem is, Finster, that you've decided that the reason for the short passing is deficiencies on Tannehill's part, and will accept no evidence to the contrary.

 

This post says it all for me.

I don't think we need to looking at upgrading the QB or anything.

However, I absolutely think this is something to a QB that isn't clutch, can't win the 4th, have comeback wins, or lead his team to the playoffs.

Even with the crappy loss, I expect us to be at the precipice of the playoffs, and if we don't get in, that's 3 straight years. At some point, you would expect your QB to make some play(s) to knock that door down for you.

 

Yes, rd, but for the QB to make plays, it DEFINITELY requires other players to make plays. Case in point, the drop by Jennings in the game on Sunday.

 

Your right his job is to lead them to points. Look at the last 6 possesions. Each one either had a holding penalty or a sack in them. We continued to put us behind the sticks plus with no running game the Jags dropped comfortably into their zones which makes it much hard to pass against.

What is considered a long pass on here now? Over 20 yards? He had 4 of those, 48 yards to Matthews, 22 yards to Matthews, 26 yards to Cameron, and 36 yards to Landry. He also had 4 pass that were between 16-20 yards. Also had numerous passes between 10 and 15 yards. What exactly do we all think is a long pass? He missed on some yesterday but if you could see he was throwing bullets I don't know what to tell you. Jennings drop on a beautiful 15 yard pass was a 1st down. Landry dropping another was a 1st down. After we gave up the run they started dropping into a Cover 3 deep and took away the deep throws. With no creativity out of our OC, we were screwed.

 

I really don't like saying that we "gave up the run" when we had a total of 11 carries through the first three quarters. 3 carries per quarter does not scream "establishing the run" to me.

 

Hard to run it when the oline is what it is. Hard to do anything with this oline for that matter.

 

When it comes to 4th quarter penalties, Tanne's delay of game has to be mentioned, he was completely unaware of the situation, that was a bad delay of game because of his complete lack of knowing the time, he wasn't trying to get it off in a hurry, he was looking around for why there was a penalty.

His awareness is still a concern.

 

And to answer the question, I think the term franchise QB is very subjective.

Do I think he should be considered one of the 10 best QBs in the league if he doesn't lead us to the playoffs? No.
Do I think we can still build around him and win a championship? Yes.

You can't be considered one of the best/better in the league, if you aren't playing when it matters - team game or not.

 

This whole team lack the situational awareness that you would come to expect from a playoff caliber team. I blame a lot of it on philbin.

 

He's not a franchise-elevating QB, but he's also not a guy who you have to sit and worry about every time he drops back to pass.