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Realistic Ways the Phins can improve

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Galant, Sep 27, 2015.

  1. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Wow. I mean. Wow.

    It's too late to fix the OL or any other roster issues. We have who we have. So, can anything be done to kick this team into gear and get some real wins?

    1 - Fire Coyle and replace him. His track record over the last few years is awful.
    2 - Run. The. Ball. (And not at the back end of a game when you're miles behind and low on clock - I can only assume Philbin has given up on the game. Either that or he thought that Ryan would never think he'd run the ball the entire time on low clock so maybe he'd get away with it, not sure to what end).
    3 - Start using more roll outs and runs for Tannehill. (The only one I recall seeing was the get out of jail scramble that ended in a 40+ yd bomb to Matthews - figures).
    4 - I'd say fire Philbin but not sure who would replace him and it might be just too much change/instability on a team that's already all over the place.

    Having said that, I do wonder if we're not seeing a result of leadership disconnect. Does Philbin have any say on what sort of a team he wants? I'm guessing we're seeing Tannenbaum's team and Philbin is disconnected from the FO except for Ross. That sort of upper level conflict/disunity can result in precisely the sort of break downs we're seeing now.
     
  2. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    trade suh for 2 lbers 2 cbs and a ss and fs and 4 OL
     
  3. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    The word 'realistic' is in the title of this thread - just FYI.
     
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  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, it's at least decent timing because after next week, Miami hits their bye. The Dolphins might conceivable make changes then but wow, think about that. After all the excitement and people predicting double-digit wins, here we are giving up and hoping for the coaching staff to get blown up and we're still in September. That's about as bad a start as you could have. In our defense though, this doesn't look like a team that's going to win more than 3-4 games. It's shockingly bad. You can run on them. Virtually anyone can throw on them. They can't run the ball themselves and are prone to calling bad passing plays at bad times. There is literally nothing they do well right now.

    Anyway, I'd say that if the team was going to make a move, they'd be hard pressed to find anyone who remotely resembles an interim HC. You can't really expect anything good to happen by firing the HC and DC.

    Philbin and Coyle need to go--and probably Lazor, too--but is there anything to be gained by making a change this early? It could result in utter devastation.

    Then again, the atmosphere is SO unbelievably bad that it might be necessary to start evacuating Saigon. The team may need to get rid of Philbin just to avoid a mutiny at some point. The team we saw today did not look remotely prepared to play. At some point, things might bubble over. This team is not exactly disciplined. I can't remember a time when things seemed so dark. At some point soon it may become urgent that the ownership extend a message to the players that they are prepared to fix these issues immediately--that message would be the firing of Philbin.

    I think people hate Philbin in a way that goes beyond what I've ever seen. At least Tony Sparano was motivational. He sucked and got out-coached on a weekly basis...but I'm beginning to feel Joe should be in fear for his life. He has no redeeming qualities in the fans' eyes.
     
  5. TheHighExhaulted

    TheHighExhaulted Well-Known Member

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    Stop running sweeps to the short side of the field.

    Stop giving WR's 8 yard cushions on defense on 3rd and longs.

    Generate some sort of a pass rush.
     
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  6. cbrad

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    Only realistic way of improving the team during the season is by changing the coaching staff, which needs to be done anyway. You'll have to wait for the offseason for any major new influx of players.
     
  7. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I'd say a DC might be doable. If the HC is going he'd rather bring in his own staff, which is why ditching Philbin is less realistic - unless you promote Lazor to double up as HC and OC. I suppose it would be one way to give him a trial by fire and see what he can do without being under Philbin.

    I don't see anything is lost by ditching Coyle, and, even just the change might do the D good.
     
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  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    1. Replace the coaching staff
    2. Acquire some competent players on the OL. Especially at LG/RG. Might as well throw in LT too, Albert just can't stay healthy.
     
  9. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I don't have club this year but if there aren't birds singing this week about philbns departure then i give up on this franchise
     
  10. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Hope Philbo loses his passport in the UK.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G920A using Tapatalk
     
  11. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Definitely. So sick of seeing those. Complete waste of a down.
     
  12. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    crap. we screwed then.
     
  13. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    OL talent not really available right now. Replacing the whole coaching staff right now is unrealistic because the talent isn't available right now and a fully new staff wouldn't be able to bring improvement immediately.

    In a scenario where a possible new HC is available you'll have to find DC/OC talent who either want a shot to prove themselves, or who, for some reason, would be happy with just a one season contract.
     
  14. Phins Up Wins Up

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    The most immediate improvement would be to fire Philbin, Coyle, and Lazor.
     
  15. Sleepy

    Sleepy Well-Known Member

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    Surprise, Arizona
    Start Parker and Turner and see what they can offer.
     
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  16. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Not realistic. Find three head staff on a short term basis who actually have talent and get the Phins to improve right now?
     
  17. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    Al golden would jump at the job offer.
     
  18. jeremy2020

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    They could play with ten players on defense instead of letting McCain play
     
  19. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Moe, Larry & Curly

    Manny, Moe & Jack

    The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost

    The 3 Musketeers. The candy bar, not the actual characters

    Groucho, Harpo & Chicco, but no Zippo.
     
  20. rdhstlr23

    rdhstlr23 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If we are talking realistic changes, then I have a few. These aren't listed by priority just as they come to my head.

    1. Bench Dallas Thomas for ANYONE. Try Billy Turner there. Try Brenner. Try Douglas. Try Linkenbach. Anything is better than Thomas.
    2. Run more unbalanced line formations until Albert is healthy.
    3. Give more reps to Stills and Parker. Give less reps to Jennings.
    4. Run more no huddle/up tempo offense.
    5. Fire Kevin Coyle and have Dufner become the DC.
    6. Play Zach Bowman or Bobby McCain more opposite Brent Grimes. Move Brice McCain solely to slot/nickel DB.
    7. Play Cam Wake and Vernon situationally for passing downs only.

    The fact we have 1 sack in 3 games is embarrassing. That's pure effort. We have had 2 taken away due to penalty, but still.
     
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  21. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    [video=twitter;648297471186214912]https://twitter.com/NFLFilmStudy/status/648297471186214912[/video]
     
  22. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    'run the ball'

    lol.

    YOU run behind that line. Please.
     
  23. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I'm the first advocate for fixing the OL. It's the top priority for this team after the coaching and FO issues.

    However, since that can't be done right now, and since they managed to get some progress when they ran it behind essentially the same line last year, I say they should find ways to run it.
     
  24. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    All we can do is pass the ball. It'd be delusional to think otherwise. Our running backs are not good and our line is an abortion.
     
  25. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Fire Philbin now. Spark the team. That's the realistic way this team could improve.
     
  26. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    I disagree. Miller and Gray can get some mileage for us, with a little Tannehill run threat thrown in. It's not going to do wonders for us, but having a more balanced approach will help us a bit.

    I think the effect of the poor coaching on this team can easily be overlooked.
     
  27. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    That's no excuse. There are plenty of teams with poor lines that don't just give up altogether.
     
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  28. jim1

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    Event horizon- the players' will and fighting spirit is being sucked into the Philbin black hole. This is kind of rare in all my decades of watching pro football, but to me it's palpable- the team has given up on Philbin and seems to be passively protesting playing for him. They no longer believe in his leadership and most likely the that of the offensive and defensive coordinators.

    I've never been a fan of Philbin but this is different and this is weird- the team is collapsing around the head coach, laying down their swords, refusing to fight. I remember being at the home game agianst the Bills years ago and watching Ray Lucas in a career death grip, it was eery. Same thing now, very strange vibe and very curious/conspicuous lack of effort from the players. Philbin is a dead man walking, whether he fully realizes it or not. But I think that he does.
     
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  29. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Your confusing me saying we do not have the ability to run, with "I don't think we should" or something like that.

    Sure, obviously a run game would help. We can't. Blame whatever you want, coaches, line, RBs, we can't run. Sooo..... Tanny has to throw 50 times a game and that's just how it is. saying we should "run more" is pretty much wrong, because the multiple 1 yard or less runs aren't getting us anywhere and obviously aren't improving any time soon.
     
  30. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Where did I advocate giving up? we CAN'T run. Use your EYES.
     
  31. Mcduffie81

    Mcduffie81 Wildcat Club Member

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    I have the same feeling. They have give up on Joe. Get him out, now.
     
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  32. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    No excuse. Actual good coaches recognize problems and work around them. We just make it easier for the other team.
     
  33. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I guess i'm gunna have to re-read where i said i agree with or like our coaches and that I don't want to replace them or something. Or where I said I think running is a bad idea, idk.

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

    We can't run the ball, no matter reason you'd like to put behind it. 'coaches are too scared' 'line sucks too much' there's 100 of them. WE can't. Argue all you want, it's fact and has been fact over our first 3 games.

    Look at the stats and get back to me

    The Dolphins can't run the football.
     
  34. Vertical Limit

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    Run the no huddle.. We cant let the other defense make changes or take breaks. Got to speed it up and try to wear them out with pace.
     
  35. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Last year Miller had over a 5 yd average, if I recall. I don't believe it's possible to say we can't run it when what's clear is we won't run it. Even last year when the run was working the coaches moved away from the run. So I don't see there's a solid argument for saying the coaches aren't running it because it won't work. It's more about them wanting to pass and under-valuing the run. I wouldn't be surprised if they thought that short passes were the equivalent to a run game. That's what they seemed focused on.

    It's like they have this theory, an idea, about what will work - if only they can get all the pieces to do their part - and yet it doesn't work in reality. It seems like coaching on paper but unable to adjust to reality.
     
  36. Phinastic

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    Or get him to play like he's supposed to and there would be no need.
     
  37. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Stopped reading @ the bold

    Zero relevance to this team right now. Literally Zero. This football team cannot run the ball. I'm sure you and everyone else can coach better than nfl coaches, but this team won't be able to run any time this season. You might as well remove running the football from the equation for the rest of this year.
     
  38. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Zero relevance? We're talking about the same offence. But if you're not going to even read a three line paragraph I won't waste any more words.
     
  39. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Read the addition, still doesn't matter.

    Same offense on paper means absolutely nothing with the product on the field at the moment, so there is no relevance.
     
  40. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Bottom line is there is only one thing that can happen that is a 'realistic' way this team can improve, and we all know what that is.

    saying things like "run the ball more" and "roll tannehill out more" are givens. But obviously won't happen with this staff. Not much we can do about it. If they haven't 'gotten it' by now, they won't. and everyone can pretty much see this ride is over.

    Obviously doesn't help that the o-line is a catastrophe and our RBs only know how to run 1 direction, whether there is a hole or not.
     

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