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Miami Dolphins players are ready to 'throw in the towel'

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  1. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    A slow start for the Miami Dolphins could end up costing Joe Philbin and possibly other members of his coaching staff their jobs if the team doesn't play well against the New York Jets, according to Rand Getlin of NFL.com.

    After spending big on the offseason, including the addition of defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh, the Dolphins followed up a Week 1 win over Washington by losing back-to-back games against the Jacksonville Jaguars and Buffalo Bills. The frustrating results have the Dolphins coaches reportedly on the verge of losing the players.

    According to Getlin, players are frustrated with play calling on both sides of the ball and don't like the length and difficulty of practices.

    "We've been going out there, and practicing our (tails) off every day, but as players, we're tired of being embarrassed," said one member of the Dolphins. "If we get beat in Europe, (players) are going to throw in the towel. It isn't the players. We have all the talent in the world."

    http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/10...ns-london-coaching-hot-seat-joe-philbin-fired
     
  2. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    It is sort of on the players for getting embarrassed. Yes, they can't control the play calls, but they most certainly control their execution of them. I do blame the coaches for not being able to inspire the players to play with more intensity.
     
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  3. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    It's clearly obvious at this point, that we are having a meltdown. The odds are not in Philbins favor that he can stop this from caving in. Maybe a year or two ago Philbin could have fixed this, but we know what we have with him at this point. We know what we are getting, and going to the movies with his players isn't going to fix this. Winning teams generally have a strong family like atmosphere that seems to radiate on down to the fans following them. Even when these teams struggle, there is still a sense of "everything will be ok". Pittsburgh lost to Baltimore Thursday night, but I doubt fans have thrown in the towel despite the 2-2 start. We could very well be 2-2 by Sunday afternoon, but even then I doubt it changes the overall "vibe" clouding this team right now.

    I've said the whole time that I am going to believe in this team until there is no time left on the clock and we are mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Rooting to lose and tanking the season just seems idiotic to me. We waited through the hardest parts of winter, the stressful anticipation of the draft on into the dullest parts of the offseason JUST to see this team play football again. No way four weeks into the season i'm going to say screw this team and quit following. We can win some games and get to the playoffs if we want to. I agree with the above statement that it certainly isn't the players or lack of talent holding this team back.

    We'll see man, it's not looking good for tomorrow morning at this very moment, but who's to say we can't come out there, play well, and win a game?
     
  4. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    well... if that's the attitude we're definitely losing tomorrow.
     
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  5. Sceeto

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    Our LT is injured. The OL is absolute trash. Our starting FS is injured. Our rookie RB who could have made a nice compliment] to Miller is injured. Our LB unit is absolute garbage. Outside of Grimes, our DBs suck. No one has benefited from the Suh effect. Wake has been dinged up a bit, but he's in there and he's been non-existent, etc, etc, etc, etc...
     
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  6. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    Among others, big neglect along the OL and LBs.
     
  7. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Best guess here is that the Dolphins lose big and Philbin is fired before the next game, week 6 since we have the bye in week 5.
     
  8. Agua

    Agua Reality: Try It!

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    A certainty. These DA need to realize their performances are being evaluated too.
     
  9. Deus ex dolphin

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    The sad thing is, if we had even an AVERAGE OL, Tanny is good enough to get us into a lot of shoot-out type of games. At the very least, it would be a lot more exciting for us fans to watch. How the players react tomorrow will tell us a lot about the rest of this season. If there is any fight left, we HAVE to see it during a win over the Jests. If not, it is only a question of WHEN Philbin is fired.

    Assuming he is fired (the most likely scenario), I wish we knew more about who is really responsible for the OL. Did Philbin tell our GM that the OL players he had would be 'good enough'? Or did our GM think the OL would be fine, but Joe was worried? If both agreed things were good, then fire them both. If it was just Philbin saying that he and his coaches could 'coach them up' then only he and his assistants need to go. Even if Joe was complaining about the OL, he has not shown near enough to remain as a head coach. In fact, just the act of NOT firing Coyle is enough to sink Philbin. The defensive failures are clearly his fault.
     
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  10. resnor

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    Yeah, I really feel like many don't truly understand how truly terrible the oline really is. Tannehill may have some shortcomings in the pocket, but the line is so terrible is really hard to tell. I don't think many are saying Tannehill needs All-pros at every position on the oline, just give him average players, and give him a little time to find a receiver downfield.
     
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  11. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    No, no, no, this team has 22 pro bowlers, it's the coaching staff that's
    making them appear to suck.
     
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  12. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Piston, the team can be deficient AND the coaching staff can suck. All people are saying, and you seen to be hell bent on not seeing it, is that the talent is not as bad as the the on the field product shows. You seem to think that this team is literally the most untalented team the Dolphins have put on the field, ever, so the coaches are free from blame. That is not the case. There is talent on this team, and yes, there are deficiencies. The coaches just have none of the talent producing.

    Fire the coaching staff based purely on the oline issues continuing for 4 seasons.
     
  13. brandon27

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    You know... as much as I despise our coaching staff, everyone on this roster needs to STFU and do something about it. If you're tired of being embarrassed, play better. Practice is too hard? Too long... suck it up. You're a millionaire playing a game. Seriously, at some point, realize your own damn roles, and do something about that. Suck it up, show some pride.
     
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  14. Rouk

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    i dunno the coaching staff has sucked its nothing new but if you just watch the games our secondary and lbs take the worst ****ing angles thats on them not the coaches.
     
  15. jim1

    jim1 New Member

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    Closer to the truth than you think.
     
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  16. jw3102

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    Many people want to give Tannbaum and Hickey a bye, while blaming everything on the coaching staff. While I certainly agree Philbin and his coaching staff need to be replaced. The fact Hickey and Tannebaum neglected to upgrade the OL, LB, and secondary during the offseason is ridiculous.

    It appears they thought signing Suh would somehow make below average players in the secondary and at the LB position suddenly much better players.

    Instead they drafted a WR and a DT with their first two picks in the draft. Parker may end up being a decent WR but there were much bigger needs on this team than a WR in the first round.

    The fact the second round pick was on the inactive list last week because the coaches felt he wasn't producing as effectively as they expect him too,begs the question why he was drafted so high to begin with.

    Other than Landry and to some degree a very mediocre James, the Dolphins really haven't gotten production from the players Hickey was responsible for drafting the past two years.

    Instead of Ross making the same mistake he has made each time he has hired a coach or GM, he needs to start with a clean slate next time and not force the next head coach to accept Hickey as the GM if this HC doesn't feel comfortable working with him.

    I was against the Tannebaum hiring because of the situation he left the Jets in as their GM. He spent tons of money and while it worked for two years, it eventually left them in cap hell and with a lousy team.

    Ross will likely decide to keep Tannebaum, but I just wonder if having him as head of football operations will prevent some of the better candidates from wanting to interview for the job.

    My preference would be for Ross to hire a quality football man to be the football Czar. This person would then hire the GM and the GM and the Czar would together decide who the next head coach should be.

    Unfortunately Ross just doesn't seem to know what he is doing. So even if he fires Philbin, I suspect he will end up keeping Tannebaum and Hickey and we will once again end up with a head coach no one else has any interest in hiring, but one who is willing to agree to work with Hickey and Tannebaum.
     
  17. slickj101

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    Would of been nice to of fired him after last week while we still could of made the playoffs and gotten rid of him.

    Now it's going to be one or the other.
     
  18. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    exactly. EARN YOUR ****ING PAYCHECK!. Man up and stop being a *****!! 0-27 at the half against the Bills was not ALL on the coaches. YOU DESERVED TO BE BOOED WALKING OFF AT HALF TIME. Show some ****ing pride and hit someone.

    The offensive line is bad without Albert. That's a lack of talent. Doesn't help that the offensive game plan doesn't account for it. But the biggest gripe I have right now is the defense. You're supposed to be a top 10... top 5 defense? You're getting embarrassed up and down the field. Get off the field by earning your way off. Defensive penalties... missed tackles... lackadaisical approach to the game. Man up. You're in the wrong position? because of the defensive play call? So you're going to tuck your tail and run? Man the **** up.

    Wahh... practices are too rough on me... wahhh... Get the **** out of here.
     
  19. PhinFan1968

    PhinFan1968 To 2020, and BEYOND! Club Member

    Personally, I say if you throw in the towel, throw your ****ing jersey in with it.
     
  20. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    and then give your paycheck to us.
     
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  21. jcs92593

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    Wow! I've never seen anything like this.

    Do the players hate Philbin so much they would actually throw the game??
     
  22. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    People are saying a lot more than that. I'm hearing that the players aren't trying hard, they're mentally weak, they're playing bad on purpose to sabotage the coach. All these exotic explanations to explain away the obvious. This team isn't as good as we thought, and they're playing poorly to start the season.
     
  23. Piston Honda

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    I wish I could thank this 100 times.
     
  24. resnor

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    If you are watching the games and seeing players that are trying hard, we're watching different games. Philbin has lost the team. They aren't buying into the offensive or defensive philosophies. The oline is an abortion. Again. Fourth season in a row. That alone should get Philbin and his staff fired.
     
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  25. Phins_Fan_87

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    so are we trying to win or lose tomorrow?
     
  26. Piston Honda

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    The team doesn't buy into the philosophies? That's totally made up. Philbin should get fired if he misses the tournament for a 4th straight year. That's reason enough. No need for the conspiracy theories.
     
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  27. Vertical Limit

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    Wanna know whats sad? None of these players even know this is a rivalry game. Thats because the culture has been so infectous that they dont even feel the rivalry.

    Even on the worst years Zach and JT endured as Dolphins', they knew not to lay down against the Jets. But this team, they dont know, their head coach doesnt bleed Dolphins', even Wannstedt and Sparano bled Dolphins.
     
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  28. Kud_II

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    Man that's embarrassing. I'd be surprised if our coaching staff finds a job anywhere again after this debacle. And Stephen Ross will be shamed, which he deserves.
     
  29. DolphinGreg

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    Piston,

    You stood up with me and defended Philbin last year and I appreciate that immensely. It was as though people were logging onto the forum just to say something stupid about Philbin. You and I continuously pointed out that while there were elements of the play-calling that were amiss, a handful of bad in-game decisions and a bunch of holes on the roster, there were redeeming qualities to Philbin's tenure that included his developing a good young QB, his decision to bring in a new OC who had everything going in the right direction and his general view of the skill positions which I thought was smart.

    However, Philbin is clearly not the answer and while I could stand up against some of the criticism that's going out of left field and which is totally baseless, I'm not going to waste my time. Those people might be wrong in their arguments but they're right about not liking Philbin. He's not the answer. I don't see Philbin taking this team to a Super Bowl. What's more urgent in my eyes is that I don't think Tannenbaum is going to fix this roster. I think Tannenbaum is probably an idiot. His off-season totally sucked outside of bringing in Suh and when you think of the money involved, you just shake your head. Regardless of the money though, this roster is garbage and if Philbin, Tannenbaum and Hickey couldn't do better, they all need to go.

    Sadly, I think Philbin and some of the coaches will be the only ones who go. I don't think Tannenbaum is going anywhere and sadly, he's just going to waste tons of money. His past with the Jets shows that as does his first off-season being in control of Miami's endeavors.

    So, if I were you PH, I'd just give it a rest. Yeah, you're right but in the end why go on defending Philbin at all? Even if you have a point, he's still not going to be here. I would look at that as a reason to save my breath.



    If anything, I would just ask everyone here to STFU about Philbin and Coyle. We've all heard for 2+ weeks now how bad they are. We get it. We don't need another anti-Philbin thread every day or more reasoning as to why it's a good idea to get rid of Coyle. We basically all agree that neither is doing a good job. The best thing people in this forum could do is to move on from those topics since they are inherently negative and are going to drive the forum into the ground over the next few months if they persist.
     
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  30. Rocky Raccoon

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    I'm with brandon, Paul, Piston and 1968 here. We know the coaching is bad, but that doesn't give players an excuse to quit. That's embarrassing. And I would want anyone who does want to quit off my team yesterday. You are professionals. You get paid a good amount of money. Suck it up. Play for each other. Play for your fans who spend their hard earned money and spend their precious time supporting you.

    Luckily, I don't believe all the players feel this way. There are a bunch of guys on this team that I know won't be quitting. Guys like Landry, Tannehill, Pouncey, Jones, Wake, etc. have too much pride and care too much to quit.
     
  31. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    Well said.
     
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  32. bran

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    could have fooled me. by the way the team has played the first 3 weeks i thought they threw the towel in already.
     
  33. djphinfan

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    is it just me or do you contradict yourself in this post and others?
     
  34. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    How so, do you mean on Philbin?
     
  35. roy_miami

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    Not all philosophies will work out whether players buy in or not.
     
  36. resnor

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    We've had reports of players on both sides of the ball complaining about the plays called and they're used. You don't think that qualifies as not buying into the philosophies? Not to mention, the philosophies themselves are part of the problem!!
     
  37. djphinfan

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    you state that you think he should get fired if he misses the playoffs, you also think the players have been playing hard, you also think that the players not believing in the coaches, scheme and philosophies, that its hogwash..

    so I think your saying were not talented enough, so wouldnt you want the personnel guys fired.?
     
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  38. Piston Honda

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    What I'm saying is that I was wrong about how good this team was. That's not on any coach or player it's on me.

    Yes, I think the players are playing hard, they're just playing poorly. McCain, Wake, Vernon, Sheppard, Aikens, Taylor on defense. Fox, Jennings, Douglas on offense.

    If Albert, Parker, Wake and Vernon can get healthy and play to their potential this is a totally different team. Throw in Sims too. His blocking is sorely missed.

    Back in August when I thought this would be an elite level defense I pictured a DL that would be creating negative plays and long yardage situations, which would mitigate the weaknesses in the back 7. Hasn't happened. For three weeks teams have been able to run effectively, stay on schedule, and attack the secondary from positions of strength. If that doesn't change then we are screwed. People talk about Coyle but his hands are pretty much tied. He can't leave his safeties in coverage to help the corners bc the front 7 isn't stopping the run and his LBs can't cover the underneath routes without help. He can't blitz much bc he's not getting enough obvious passing situations and again, his CBs are struggling to cover.

    On offense Lazor is kind of in a bind as well. We all want to see more of the run game but he has no FB or lead blocker, no blocking TE and no physical back to grind out tough yards. Throw in the early deficits and it's not hard to see why he's dialing up so many passes. The pass pro has actually been decent considering how one dimensional the offense is right now and Albert being hurt. But Tannehill isn't good enough to win games on his own. The D and the run game have to get better.

    What can I say? It's ugly right now. But we're only three weeks in. Way too early to give up and start the who should be fired talk. Miami was 1-2 coming off two bad losses at this time last year, then reeled off 6 wins in 9 games w the three losses being narrow one vs GB, Detroit and Denver. Fans need to get their heads outta the toilet and realize there's a ton of football still to be played.
     
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  39. resnor

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    LOL

    But, Piston, what was our final record? This season has started out, and we see the same issues with a Philbin lead team, as we've seen for three seasons.

    For the record, I was pretty much on board with keeping Philbin last season.

    I no longer am. I guess if he turns the ship around, and makes the playoffs this season, I might have to change my mind on him again.
     
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  40. dolfan22

    dolfan22 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    I used this in the past several times ( unfortunately that is telling ) and I'll use it again ... I hear The Talking Heads playing in the background .... Same As It Ever Was ... Same As It Ever Was ....

    Problems with Coaching , Players and Management ..... same as it ever was .....
     

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