Who is to blame if you cant score from 5 yards away with 8 downs?

Not sure how you can blame a QB who has zero protection. But whatever.

You just admitted, you have no idea if it's the QB or OC.

I will help you. It's the OC. The play calls are the worst I have ever seen.

Only a complete idiot calls play action when you have not even tried to run the ball. And then he calls the protection AWAY from the blitz and runs the QB INTO the blitz.

No QB can succeed with this idiotic coaching staff.

But keep blaming the QB. It's easier.

 

There is so much blame to go around. Philbin takes the most of it. Look beyond the X and O's, philbin has fostered a terrible culture and has embraced a losing mentality. This coaching staff is either completely inept or unaware how to motivate, develop, and prepare our players for Sunday. Because philbin wasn't fired during the summer, this year is now a throw away year causing nothing but headaches and disappointment.

 

This all falls on the coaching staff. Granted, I know the players on the field make or break the plays that are sent in; I get that, but if you really looked in the eyes of the players today, they were as lost as a b@stard on Father's Day...as confused as a baby in a topless bar.

This team has no heart, no desire, no fire in their eyes. I can remember the days of Marino and even in games in which it was a far gone conclusion Miami was going to lose the game, you SAW the FIRE in Marino's eyes. He WASN'T going to quit; he was GOING to find a way. the look in Tannehill's eyes, he looked like a lot high school football player. That all falls on this coaching staff.

We have a defensive line (including Suh's numbers from Detroit last season) that attributed to 26 sacks last season. This season? N-U-N, none! Did this defensive line just suddenly SUCK over night?

We have a quarterback who surpassed records held by the god of Dolphins quarterbacks in Dan Marino. This season? Did Tannehill suddenly SUCK overnight?

We have GREAT talent, what we don't have is attitude and attitude is reflected in leadership.

Our leadership (the coaching staff) SUCKS!

I'm so very tempted to toss out Josh McDaniels as a potential candidate to replace Philbin. Granted, he didn't have that great of a tenure in Denver, but there was other drama going on their involving Jay Cutler...but then again, Bill Belichiks first stint as head coach in Cleveland didn't go so well either.

 

And you think I haven't???

I haven't missed a single game in 17 years.

What I see is idiotic play calling, no blocking and WRs dropping open passes.

I see a QB who threw for 4045 yards, 27 TDs and 12 INTs last year, with almost as bad a line.

I don't see a bust at QB.

But then I don't have a preconceived notion that the QB sucks.

 

There hasn't been a whole lot of "good arguments" from those on the side against Tannehill. There has been a whole lot of attributing things erroneously to Tannehill, and letting the entire rest of the team off the hook.

 

The play calling is just really bad. Illogical at best. Totally ****ed up otherwise.

But honestly, I don't know what's messed up more, the offense or the defense. To me, they're equally (and I mean dysfunctionally) bad right now.

If we're not the laughing stock of the league, we sure as hell should be. We've certainly earned it.

 

I just presented you with a couple paragraphs blaming the OC, the OL and the QB....yet your reply is "blame the QB it's easier"

This doesn't bode well for your perceived intellect. Of course you do fit in with a couple gents who also have issues understanding what they are reading.

thanks.

 

And no one does and the forum doesn't need someone going around starting arguments with everyone who offers a little criticism on Tannehill. We've gone down that road and it's why we have a thread dedicated to just RT. It's an argument that quite frankly we're all sick of seeing pop up in the middle of other threads.

I understand your point, but please don't make every thread about defending Tannehill. Let the critics say what they want.

I like RT, but even he would tell you he had a bad day today.

 

I won't be able to watch the game till later on, can you elaborate on what you didn't like from him today?

 

Fair enough, but I say the line is 95% of the offensive problems.

 

The way he didn't get rid of the ball, even though he had a whole second and a half.

Why couldn't he hit 60 yard bombs???

 

Dude, the offensive line is garbage. Douglass shouldn't be starting. Thomas and Fox should be back-ups on bad team. James has been sloppy and out-matched and Pouncey makes mistakes being caught in the middle of what has got to be the worst O-line I've seen since I became a fan.

I 100% agree.

 

Now here is my biggest complaint.

Wasn't the line supposed to be Philbin's specialty???

How bad does that look for him?

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Philbin goes into panic mode and benches Tannehill. He flirted with it last year.

 

I'd get rid of him myself if that happened.

 

I would't mind seeing Tannehill's health guaranteed for another week!

 

Joe Philbin has failed to do his job. Everyone agrees with that end of it.

What we don't know is why the team has continually added such questionable names. Does Philbin have input on the draft and to what degree? We don't know. How much did he want Mathis in at G? We don't know.

I'm not going to make statements that would require I have insider access but clearly Philbin has failed to rebuild the line. That's all I need to know in addition to the defensive issues.


As I've said many times now, I'd like to see the defense rebuilt under a defensive-minded HC like Vic Fangio. I'd let Tannehill and his WRs continue production under another OC whoever it ends up being. The offensive side of the ball just needs a coordinator who can call a reasonably good game and some O-line talent.

I do caution people who call for Josh McDaniels and Sean Payton though...Tannehill is not going to ever be as good as Brady or Brees. I don't think he's that good. Bringing in an offensive-minded HC is probably only going to highlight Tannehill's short-comings and lead to more lackluster defense. I'm not for that.

 

and all the offenses that have a bad off line suck

 

It can be masked by efficient play calling and execution. Atlanta has a bad OL, they counter with very good play calling that has Ryan getting rid of the ball fast.

You don't see 3rd and 15 play actions.

 

he was a project QB coming out of college. its absurd to use his first two years in the nfl as any indication of who he is. you can start last year and this year and if you can adjust for the crap he's asked to play with he's playing very well. you people have no clue how crap olines impact players. all you have to do is look at our run game if you dont believe me. we were getting chunks last year in the run game. this year nothing. did the talent level drop in our backfield? no. only in our offensive line when albert went out. just like last year. albert is the key to being able to function. next time albert plays watch how much better tannehill looks. he is playing with only one competent blocker - pouncey. one out of five! this organization is in danger of ken obriening him or david carring him if he keeps taking this punishment every week

 

Of course it is a team game so everyone can take some responsibility. Miami doesn't have a power running game so they are stuck with trying to throw it in. I don't recall any dropped passes between today and last weeks goose egg from the 2 yard line or WRs being given a chance with an on-target throw where they can go up and get the football. I think the real problem given the scheme we run and Tannehill's skill set is once Miami gets close to the endzone the field shrinks and Tannehill can't dump the ball off underneath which is his bread and butter. Tannehill's ball placement isn't good enough to throw into tight coverage and obviously Tannehill is as bad at throwing the fade as he is the deep ball.

Without that option Miami is stuck with hoping the defense blows an assignment like when Cromartie let Stills run free in the endzone for one of Tannehill's TD passes or running a misdirection play fooling the defense and allowing a player like Stoneburner to be wide open as was the case for the other TD thrown.

As crazy as it sounds, Miami's best option might be to take a delay of game penalty once they get within the 5 yard line so the defense has to cover more real-estate.

 

Tannehill had 43% completion percentage. Let that sink in.

Before anyone has a stroke - yes, the OL sucks. The OL sucks the suck out of suck. No one is arguing that they don't suck. Douglas and Dallas routinely try to outsuck each other from their respective Guard spots. But apart from that Tannehill HAS to avoid some of the blitzes and to make some plays on his own. The TD pass to Stoneburner was a perfect example - that was all him, under pressure and back pedaling, he hit a great TD pass. The problem is that those plays are few and far between. We see him standing flat footed in the pocket far too often. Once his feet stop, he's a sitting duck and it takes him far too long to re-engage once the pocket collapses. Watch Brady and Rodgers - their feet never stop moving. Tannehill's feet are static.

Separately, IMO, the guy who quietly had the best day on offense was Kenny Stills - 5 catches for 81 yards, a long of 42 and a TD. A 16+ ypc. He had a chance to catch another TD, but pulled up lame in the EZ as it was the play after that azzhole, Skrine, took out his knees on the previous play.

 

Great post.


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there isnt an offensive line as bad as ours in the nfl. hgive me a break! atlanta. what horse****

 

I'm watching them blow up holes for Freeman that I could run through.

These guys really try to spin everything to blame Tannehill, huh?

 

Dude, you say that other teams have olines that are bad, and compared us to Atlanta.

 

Yes, yes they do.

 

But why???

Do they think we would be better with McCown, or Mallet??

Now THOSE are bad QBs. We don't have that.

 

One never knows what they think. They can't seem to fathom that the offense is not going to work without an offensive line. Then, they try to prove that our oline is not as bad as other olines, it's that Tannehill has such bad pocket presence, that it makes our line look even worse. Then they hang every loss on Tannehill, even ones where the defense gives up the winning score late in the game, when the Dolphins had the lead. Tannehill is so bad, according to some, that he not only makes our oline, receivers, and run game look terrible, but he makes the defense lose games.

 

It's a fact that Atlanta has struggled in recent years. Part of that struggle has been due to the O-line issues they have had. Nothing about either of those statements is untrue. However, Atlanta has done a far better job over the last 2-3 seasons of rebuilding their line. There is no question about it.

They were so awful they got to draft Jake Matthews top-10 instead of reaching on a RT that wasn't even worthy of a 1st round pick. That helps make a big difference. They also signed Andy Levitre, a very good Guard, and other decent FAs that have brought stability while Miami gave a lot of money to Albert who isn't playing, let Mathis get away after he should've been wrapped up early and has otherwise drafted and spent in FA poorly.

Miami has had opportunities to do the right things. They just haven't.

 

They look awesome in ATL so far this year.

What is that CLUB LEVEL thing under your name?

 

You can pay the site like $15 a year to have access to Club Level. Has better posting and discussions than the main forum here. I keep saying I'm going to do it, but haven't yet.

 

That might be worth it.

 

How do you join it?

 

Bingo. It's $15 so I went in on it shortly after joining. Sometimes there's discussion in there and sometimes there isn't but it's more civilized and more informed. The idea is that the unwashed masses are out here while the folks who actually invest time (some of which know A LOT) are there.

It's a better forum but it tends to be a little inactive. That's the only issue.

 

I think if you click on the Club Level link on the main page, it tells you. You send a check (might be another payment option) to someone, and they give you access to Club.

 

$24 per year. Not bad. You have to have paypal. I will set it up later.

 

I pointed out how a team with a bad OL can do things to overcome it with great play calling and getting rid of the ball faster.


Had nothing to do with a Dolphin comparison as much as a general statement....not shocked that didn't get comprehended though.

 

Tannehill usually gets rid of the ball quickly. The problem is that when teams rush 4, there are 7 guys in coverage. I know you think Tannehill throws short too much, but it's hard to throw deeper with all the coverage.

 

Id respond but I'd get accused of comparing something or someone with something that was never said.