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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Oct 4, 2015.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    Sad but it appears cameron wakes dominant days are behind him.Everybody wants to blame suh but what is he supposed to do when the ends can't beat one on one blocking.
    Wake just doesn't seem to have that burst to get around the tackle anymore.This team has no ends or linebackers and it looks like a total rebuild effort is going to be needed in the next couple of drafts.
    We might want to explore his trade value since this team is going nowhere.
     
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  2. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Firstly, let's acknowledge the fact he's dealing with some sort of injury.


    That said, he's not the elite guy he once appeared to be 3-4 seasons ago. However, the time to trade Wake was 2-3 seasons ago when he was coming off good years but was sure to decline. At this point, he's been in decline for a couple years and is now consistently out-matched (again, injuries play a role). With Jared Allen being traded to the Panthers for a 6th round pick, I don't think Wake is of much value. Quite frankly, Jared Allen has been more productive than Wake anyway.

    If it were up to me, I'd have looked for trade options 2 years ago in hopes of getting a 2nd or 3rd round pick. At this point, he's not worth much of anything. I'd say, at best Miami might magically get a 4th or 5th rounder if a good team was desperate.

    If losing Wake worth a late-rounder? Probably not but at this point I'm not sure it matters. Wake or no Wake this defense isn't very good.
     
  3. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    After the way he has played so far this season, the best the Dolphns could hope to get for him is a 6th or 7th round draft pick. I just don't see any team giving up a mid round pick for a player who is clearly on a steep decline in his career.
     
  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well, as I said, part of it is injury and he's well known to be a very self-motivated guy. It's believable a team might offer a pick 1 or 2 rounds higher based on intangibles, leadership, professionalism, etc. but I wouldn't hold out hope.

    If I had to guess, I'd say the market is dry.
     
  5. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    If this was his first injury, I would agree with you. Unfortunately he had to deal with injuries over the latter part of last season and then again this season. At his age and with his recent injuries, I just don't see him being a player who would have much value in a trade.

    Like you, I think the time to trade him was a few years ago, but hindsight is always 100% correct.
     
  6. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's not generating pressure. He's not helping on run plays. He's just... there.

    I'm sure that hamstring injury isnt helping.

    I'm sure Coyle dropping him in to coverage doesnt help

    I'm sure that him being on the bench alot for the backups doesnt help much either.
     
  7. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He's hurt.

    I don't know why people are jumping to declare him in any sort of decline other than to act like they've some sort of personnel acumen.

    Which is funny, because I'd tend to think that very thing would cause you to pump the breaks a bit on bold declarations.
     
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  8. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    We were discussing what we could get in a trade for him. No one is debating if he is injured or not. Yet the fact is that no one is going to give up a decent draft pick for him at this stage of his career.

    He has been the best player on this defense for the past five years. The fact is though, he is just a few months shy of 34 years old and he has been dealing with injuries since last year. This doesn't take away from how great he was. It merely reminds us all that even the best players eventually age and injuries catch up with them.

    Most players start to decline once injuries become an issue for them. That seems to be the case with Wake, whether you are willing to accept it or not.
     
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  9. Limbo

    Limbo Mad Stillz

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    He wasn't good in the second half of last season either, imo. The concern is that once he starts to lose some of that freakish athleticism, then his undersized frame is going to exacerbate the problem.
     
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  10. huck1974

    huck1974 FU Gene Steratore

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    He is (should be) a situational pass rusher when healthy AKA the end of the JT days.
     
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  11. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    You are 100% correct.
     
  12. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    We don't need to trade him, he just needs a reduced role. Keep him around and groom his replacement when you draft him. It's a shame what happened with Dion Jordan. I thought he'd eventually be the guy Wake would pass the torch to.
     
  13. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Hes finished. Got to trade him, we're going to cut him anyways but if you can get a 6th for him then do it. Thing is with Hickey and Philbin all on the hotseat i dont think they care to make moves for a future theyre not part of.
     
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  14. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    His contract is too expensive to keep him around. Unless he is okay with getting released and brought back on vet minimum
     
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  15. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's not just last year. The guy had one exceptional year with a bunch of sacks to his credit but outside of that he's been an extremely hot and cold player, often erased by RTs we think of as being somewhat average.

    What we're seeing is certainly not a sudden, sharp change in production. Cam Wake has been pretty average for the last couple of years. At this point injuries (or mere age) has him flirting with below-average kind of production.

    No one who's been watching for the last 5 years has all of a sudden changed their minds on Wake. He was great 4-5 years ago and has slowly declined. There's no mystery and no one should feel they have to defend their stance of him being replaceable at this point.
     
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  16. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He was quite good in the second half of 2014- not as good as the first, but if he were to perform to that degree so far this year no one would be saying anything. Meanwhile the guy is playing what, half snaps?

    Seriously you guys are racing to plant a flag on his metaphorical corpse, and it's absolutely bizarre
     
  17. Scrap

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    Wake's ability to get at the QB came from being a physical beast. In a game where athletes perform at such a high level, one who relies strictly on his physical ability can't afford to "lose a step". Wake is getting older and because of that has lost that "step".
     
  18. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Should have traded his *** already when his value was high. He's done.
     
  19. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    I'm not ready to throw the towel in on Mr Wake until we get to see him play when he is healthy. If he cant get it done after that, then we can talk.
     
  20. djphinfan

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    He needs to throw his TV away, move into a studio apt and remember.
     
  21. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    he's 33 turning 34 this January. sure he didn't play many years but he can't beat father time. he's done. if anyone is willing to give us a 6th round pick, we need to take it, clear the space. Misi is done after this season too, no way in hell we pay a guy 5 million to be tackling the wrong players on the field. he's clueless out there.
     
  22. miamiron

    miamiron There's always next year

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    Who's going to take over his contract for a 33 yr old declining player making
    $9 million this season,$8.4 million next season. I think the answer is NO ONE
     
  23. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Yep, why criticize a guy with 1 tackle and ZERO sacks on the year? Silly us.
     
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  24. Griese's Glasses

    Griese's Glasses Well-Known Member

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    With the kind of stench some of the players on this team are making, to go after Wake does seem a bit silly.
     
  25. Fin-O

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    Why? He is doing his part to play poorly as well? Why are some of you so anxious to give a guy who is playing poorly a pass? From Tannehill to Wake to all of them, they are playing like shnit and deserve all criticisms that come there way.
     
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  26. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    I dont believe his contract is guaranteed next year. He would be a rental to a team that thinks they can better utilize him
     
  27. Tepop84

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    What team would be able to utilize him better than he is being utilized here? Suh is getting double teamed and Wake can't be anybody 1on1. His situation couldn't get any better.
     
  28. Sceeto

    Sceeto Well-Known Member

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    He's out there. He's has to play better.
     
  29. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    We are rarely blitzing and just sending our front four. Im sure if Coyle were to blitz his linebackers more or you know someone like reshad jones who is an excellent blitzing safety, wake would be freed up more. Coyle sticks with his front four and drops everyone else back.
     
  30. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The guy is nursing an injury notorious for being a nagging condition, and was on the field barely 40% of the games snaps.

    It really shouldn't be too hard to come up with a hypothesis here.
     
  31. magicap

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    Time to clean house. He's included.


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  32. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    If you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.
     

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