You just don't get it. That's ok, because at this point I don't know if you can get it. Almost everyone- media, fans, former players- are in agreement that the team is playing flat, listless football- not to mention embarrassingly bad and losing football. The ship lost faith in the captain and the course he set, but you can't see it or at this point admit it. For five decades I've been watching Dolphins football, and like no other time ever this team has mentally checked out. Given up. Don't want to play hard for the coaches. Everyone sees it, but you insist on stubbornly going down with the ship and your own poorly formed conclusions. Take a last gulp of air before you sink to the bottom. As to this discussion about Philbin and the horrendous and uninspired football that this team is playing, natural selection is in the process of weeding you out. When you hit bottom, say hello to Davey Jones.
Another way of looking at this: you don't keep the crap you have, simply because you're afraid of getting crappier crap.
Another horrible game. Like many others I think it's coaching. I also don't think Ryan has had a fair shot since he's been here, and has managed to play incredibly well despite that. But not the last two weeks. Something has changed in his play in the past 2 weeks. His decision making and accuracy has taken a dive. His confidence is shaken. But that has never been enough to cause him to play as poorly as he has. This team has a very dark cloud over it, and I don't think it's gunna clear up anytime soon unfortunately. I believe Tannehill is going to have great success eventually. It may unfortunately be for some other team someday, like so many other talented players who have been given away for a fourth of their value.
Should've brought a new staff in back in December after a 2nd straight December meltdown. Did he think it was going to get better? Lots of people here were optimistic...but really, did anyone really think Philbin was going to make them a contender?
Bokamper says Ross was livid in the press box at halftime. Who knows maybe all ross told philbin is we will talk in Miami.
I like RT, but to say he played well is funny. Line trouble or not, he is a below average QB right now.
Guy has five int's the past two games and they say he is playing well. He could throw ten pick6s and they will never admit he played bad. He always plays well, always.
Status Quo to remain Head coach Joe Philbin said he spoke to owner Stephen Ross after the game, while noting he is not concerned about his job security in the wake of the conversation. Philbin also said he has no intentions of firing defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle, who has come under intense public scrutiny due to a lack of early success from his high-paid defense. "Nope, not at all," Philbin said when asked if he's worried about being fired. "I'm worried about getting this team straightened out, fixed and getting our team ready to play the Tennessee Titans." http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...orried-about-fixing-dolphins-not-job-security
Actually, no we should not let Philbin wallow. There is a LOT of positive things that can be accomplished by letting Joe go. Once he is gone, every player (except for a handful of 'untouchable' ones like Tanny, Parker, and Suh) is going to feel they need to step up, as they have no idea what type of players the next coach will want and almost no position is safe. On top of that, you can get the temp coach to play guys like Parker, which will help him be a better player next year. Keeping one eye on the future, instead of only being focused on saving your job is no longer an issue with Joe gone. BTW, letting the current staff make any big trades or give away future draft picks in a 'win now' attempt would also be a bad idea in most cases. The next staff will have some high picks, but little cap space to work with. Focus on fixing the OL next year, then worry about the defense in 2017. Once we have a decent OL the offense should be a strength. We have good enough skill players on offense, but a terrible OL holding them back. The defense has more holes, but at least one part of the team could be a strength. Sad to be talking about all this at the quarter mark of a new season, but that is where we are now.
Dude, just stop. You're foaming at the mouth to have Philbin replaced by Lazor, Coyle, Rizzi, or some other assistant. Like there's some Savior buried on Philbin's staff waiting to right the ship. You're a perfect example of why not a single team takes advice on important issues from fans, ever.
Per nfl.com http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...t-job-security Head coach Joe Philbin said he spoke to owner Stephen Ross after the game, while noting he is not concerned about his job security in the wake of the conversation. Philbin also said he has no intentions of firing defensive coordinator Kevin Coyle, who has come under intense public scrutiny due to a lack of early success from his high-paid defense. LOL The story never stops getting worse.
The players aren't idiots. They know Philbin is likely to be fired already. They know a new coach is likely to come in and make changes already. They're worried about keeping their jobs already. Do they want Philbin fired? I dunno. I'm not a psychic like some of the other posters here. What I do know is that this is a bad team that needs alot more than a new coach in order to be succesfull.
It's not about a "savior" and never was. It is about accountability, and it starts with Philbin. Fire him and a message is sent. Everyone knows a new coach will be coming in and they are taking the rest of the season to audition. Screw it up and you get cut/traded. Nobody is expecting an interim coach to lead us to the SB or even the playoffs. What we expect is a bit of fire and effort going forward as people see the consequence of failure.
I have had a theory ever since he was hired and noticed that Phailbin never seemed to want to upset the Packers by hiring one of their coaches or trying to trade for one of their players. Then when he hired coaches he has never wanted to fire anyone no matter how bad they performed. He was basically forced to get rid of those coaches. Now he will be defending Coyle until someone forces his hand. Now for my theory . I think Phailbin never expected to last very long in this org and he has been making sure he didnt piss anyone off that could help him get a new job with the Packers or any other team. Inside, Phailbin knows he is not head coach material and he has been paving his way back to an assistant job with one of his buddies. He must be pleasantly surprised he has lasted this long .IMO he is not stessed about it because he knows he is on the way out and he has increased his bankroll at Ross s and our expense. Now we only need Ross to figure out that Phailbin is not HC material
Wow what a comeback so funny. You are so full of ****. STFU. This team would play better with a better coach. Now you are just devaluing of how much a coach means to a football team. So the coach does nothing? A better coach can't get you more wins because they're not on the field playing? This team still might not be a playoff team but they wouldn't be a 3 or 4 win team which they most likely will be this year. Thats like saying should the Pats keep paying Belicheck or get some young guy to coach the team since the coach doesn't matter its just the talent of the team. Dude the team has the worst starts in the NFL since Philbin has gotten here. They come out flat and fall behind early. That isn't an indictment on coaching? That shows you nothing about the quality of the coaches? What about the late season collapses? That has nothing to do with the poor coaching and schemes put into place? It is all just the players? You obviously don't know football or what a coach means to a team if you think a better coach doesn't make you better.
Except for days you've been on this forum saying doesn't matter who the coach is the team will still play bad and not improve at all after many were discussing who they would like to come coach the team next season. You've said it isn't a Philbin problem but a talent on the team problem. Just leave the forum. You are the village idiot.
I agree, it's about accountability. Which is why I criticize the TEAM and not just the coaching staff. The coaches, players and personell staff all share the blame. I even blame myself for ever think in this team was a good one.
It's definitely worse. I think we're looking at another 1 win season at this point. If we win another game, it'll basically be by accident. Ross is such a damned moron.
What's obvious is that you're incredibly passionate but incredibly clueless. Luckily there are a ton of like minded people here to help console you.
see honda, you cant have it all ways, sometimes you say the players aren't good, that were not as talented as you thought, sometimes you say you want the staff to be gone because their not good, sometimes you say its not the coaches, its the players, sometimes you say its not the players its that the players we do have and they are not performing well..you need to figure out what your saying because damn, it pissed this dude off..lol
Yeah he seems mad lol. It's all of the above DJ. Players not that good, not playing well. Coaches not doing a good job. Personell dept making errors. The problem is anytime someone says that the players aren't getting the job done it's taken as a defense of the coaches. I personally don't mind it. But dealing with ill informed fans is why many people stick to the club level.
Dude, if you want to keep floundering and drowning that's up to you. In this case a ton of like minded people see the obvious because the obvious is self evident and correct, you've already weeded yourself out of any credibility when it comes to this topic. Being different has its time and place, but not when you're immensely and embarrassingly wrong. Keep swinging at the pinata , if that's what gets you through the day.
Yeah, a group of knowitalls who know nothing. Chanting together. And you're the ringleader. Congrats.
Sounds about right. No one has lasted since Shula, and Philbin isn't arrogant enough to think he could be the one to turn it around.
It's his fault Coyle is still our DC, and it's Coyle's fault that people who aren't tackling still have starting job.
Unfortunately the pinata continues to escape your wild swings. Maybe in a few months with a little reflection you'll be able to see what's really going on, your stubbornness seems to be clouding your judgement. Hopefully Ross doesn't suffer from the same affliction.
but it seems as though you don't account for the cumulative affect a staff that has worn out its welcome can have on a team and their performance, so once a staff is tuned out, it's really hard to quantify performance from players..the let down Of intensity and drive is inevitable.
Not at all. I account for the possibility of that, I just don't see it so far. Teams who lack I'm that area tend to play OK for a few series then mail it in. This team does the opposite, they fall behind then fight hard to come from behind late in games. What I'm not gonna do is take heed to lectures from folk who watch the games once, don't bother going back to study the tape, then stomp around lecturing people on how they don't see this or that. Like I said before, the idiots run deep on this forum which is why most of the good posters hide away in club level.
Yes I am sure the club level is just brimming with "Philbin is key, we must keep him!" posts. You mentioned opposing fans. Ask any of them if they would like us to keep or fire Philbin, and I am sure they would love for us to keep him. Are they players playing well? Absolutely not. But there is a reason 53 players have been down at halftime every game, why they are getting outscored BADLY in every single first quarter thus far, why they are playing lackadaisical and without emotion. They have no leader, they have little direction. They have no confidence in the people at the top. You cannot fire a team, you can the coach for failure to get them ready, motivated and not setting them up for optimal success. Yes, the team as a whole is bad. The move to be made now is at the top.
This is ground zero as to why you remain clueless. Any NFL player with a sense of self preservation is going to play hard, that's not the issue at hand. The issue is whether or not they're playing to their full potential. To get tied up in semantics on that point is a waste of time. What almost everyone notices is that the collective spirit of the team is broken, that's just so painfully obvious. Suh wore sneakers to a full practice, he of the mega guaranteed contract- doesn't that tell you something about player dissatisfaction? Only he can get away with that, his paychecks are guaranteed and he could probably get away with wearing flip flops. If you find some plays where Walk Aiken or anyone else played hard, no one really give a crap. The team, when looked as a whole, is obviously frustrated and their give a s*** is broken, it's that bad. Keep watching film though, grown men making millions who actually look like they're playing hard- as if they had a choice. Yaay! You're looking in the wrong direction, claim that your search has been more thorough than others, and you've missed the forest for the trees. The pinata is still swinging from the tree though, have it your way.
Not sure what your point is. The Jets fan I was responding to, his first words were literally that Philbin sucks. NOBODY IS claiming that he's done a good job or shouldn't be fired. At some point it needs to sink in. This is pro football. Players play for themselves, their families, their fans, their peers, most of all their money. I'm not sure where this idea that NFL guys go out and lay it on the line for their HC came from. Yall watch too many movies.
