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Merged x3: Philbin Fired; Campbell New HC

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by GARDENHEAD, Oct 5, 2015.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    At one time, Ireland was the cause of all our misery. Then he was ousted.

    Then Philbin was the cause of all our misery. Then he was ousted.

    Who will be the next villain..Tannehill or Ross?
     
  2. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Why choose or assume they aren't already?
     
  3. Georgia Fin

    Georgia Fin Fin For Life

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    I vote for Dawn. She is the money guru and we are paper thin for the next few years so she is in the frying pan now. If we were winning it would be worth it, since we are in the tank, she will feel the rath!!!!!
     
  4. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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  5. Galant

    Galant Love - Unity - Sacrifice - Eternity

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    Sadly it's always easier to identify problems than find solutions.

    There's a definite leadership issue with this team that needs fixing. Maybe Campbell can be a part of that, he certainly can't do it alone though. Until Ross picks one guy to answer to him and makes that the guy everyone else answers to, there's going to be an issue. There's still the Tannenbaum/Hickey combo to figure out. The good thing is, Campbell is interim, Ross has left the door open to make some more major changes. Miami needs a clean house. Doesn't have to be completely emptied, but one person needs to be given the job and they need to be able to do it completely. Even then success isn't guaranteed, but without it, success is made far more difficult. So for now, I guess we get to see what Campbell can do, and go from there.

    I have to say that the one thing I liked the sound of was Campbell wanting to focus on the lines. I'm a strong believer in setting a teams foundation in the trenches. If you can win the war on the lines everything else is made a lot easier. Will Tannebaum agree? Hickey? If they do can they find talent? Will TB and Hickey answer to Campbell, or whoever replaces him? Too many questions. I guess for now, as Dolphins fans, all we have right now is curiosity.
     
  6. Vertical Limit

    Vertical Limit Senior Member

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    Tannehill may be the next one, he is mediocre at best and overpaid.
     
  7. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    Mediocre is pretty good in this league for a starting QB. He's Joe Flacco or Eli Manning level. And they both have superbowl victories.

    Is Russel Wilson really better than Tannehill? I don't think so.. but again, superbowl victory.

    Give the guy some decent protection and he will be a serviceable starter.
     
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  8. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    If the team isn't winning, fans will discuss what might be preventing that. I don't know why you and others continue to have such a problem with that. Not everyone chooses to assume everything their favorite sports team does is correct.
     
  9. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Get off the cross. I'm effing sick of you guys acting like you're persecuted because people call out your inconsistencies. You guys don't even get a 1/10 of 1% what you all dish out to coaches/gms/players/posters.

    No one is saying everything they do is correct, but if you guys were right in your villain of the week search, the team wouldn't have produced the same.

    If Campbell turns the team around, then Philbin was likely the problem all along, which makes Ireland look better. If Campbell doesn't turn the team around, then the problem MAY just be talent.
     
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  10. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    It can be both.
     
  11. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Of course it can be in the real world, but the people I'm arguing against don't have room in their vitriol for nuance.

    1. Ireland is the worst GM ever. 2. Philbin sucks as a coach. 3. Team is average.

    3 Has been true at 8-8. So that means either 1 or 2 or both have to be exaggerations.

    If people can understand that simple concept, then it will be easier to have a real discussion on this board going forward about any potential problems that pop up, instead of rhetoric.

    My point has always been lets actually focus on the real issues instead of emotionally reacting and going all scorched earth on the current fall guy.
     
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  12. Nappy Roots

    Nappy Roots Well-Known Member

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    He's Joe Flacco or Eli Manning without play making ability. Which doesn't get super bowls without a dominate defense and running game.


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  13. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    You have no clue what or who you are even arguing against. In typical fashion you are just mushing everyone together into having one viewpoint that you are attacking out of anger. And you telling me to get off my cross is rich. Speaking of being wrong, or not getting it, few on this board's history has been more consistently wrong than you. But you will amazingly make yourself still try to sound right even when history proves you 100% wrong.

    Still defending Ireland? Stop wasting everyone's time.
     
  14. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    ^ Exhibits A thru G that prove my point.
     
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  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    To me, Philbin did an okay, albeit slow job of developing players, or putting them on the field, take Rishard Matthews.

    My hope is the blocking scheme is adjusted to what the talent fits, and the D plays with more intensity
     
  16. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Don't forget about Sherman, Sparano, Henning, Henne, etc.
     
  17. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Give him a break. He doesn't have the attention span to notice more than one issue at a time.
     
  18. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Wasn't Ireland the guy who warned Ross not to hire Philbin in the first place? IIRC he wanted Mike McCoy, whos done a fine job in San Diego.
     
  19. Zach13

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    The problem ultimately is Ross.

    He is well-meaning, and generous with his money, but he doesn't know what he is doing. He builds poor org structures, he hires poorly and then he is overly loyal to his bad hires.
     
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  20. rafael

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    My position has always been that Ireland was an average GM who had coaches who either wouldn't or couldn't use the talents of the players who were brought in. The reports about the players making those specific complaints about Philbin and Coyle and that the Tannenbaum and Hickey making depth chart recommendations that Philbin opposed seem to fit with the reports of Ireland wanting players like Matthews to get a shot and being opposed by Philbin. IMO Ireland received far too much criticism and Philbin far too little probably b/c Philbin is generally considered a good guy and Ireland is considered insensitive.
     
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  21. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    IMO Ross listens to too many people. I do believe that hiring Tannenbaum to be the football guy and the guy with the singular vision is the right move, structurally. Time will tell if Tannenbaum is the right guy.
     
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  22. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    the Matthews debacle infuriates me to no end. I can understand the guy is in Philbins doghouse for whatever reason. But it's Philbins damned job to get that situation resolved and put the best players on the field. Then again, Philbin is fired as hell right now, and for obvious good reason.
     
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  23. Tannephins

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    True. You could really argue that if Philbin had this short a leash this season, he should've never been allowed to enter it. If you're going to give a guy potentially only four games, you might as well give him zero.
     
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  24. Fin D

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    Sigh.
     
  25. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Jimmy Johnson, Nick Saban, Bill Parcells, Don Shula. Yeah. The Dolphins never have good people running the team. They just lose bc of bad hires.

    OMMFG. The irony of you calling someone else stupid...
     
  26. Phins Up Wins Up

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    You guys are totally right. Chad Henne should still be this teams starting quarterback. That guy the second string for the lowly Jaguars could be a real franchise winner here. Saban being fired was a mistake too. Damn we missed a gem in him. And Philbin? Philbin? Squeaky clean Joe Philbin? That guy with the sub 0.500 record and never making the playoffs in 4 years how did he get canned? This franchise is awful. We should have kept these guys. Those guys are winners.
     
  27. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Which is exactly why Ireland and Philbin should have both been fired when Ireland was fired. The difficulty in evaluating where the issue is exactly when half of a failed regime is retained is exactly why myself and many others, including many highly respected NFL minds have said the house needed to be cleaned completely. At the end of this season the head coach will be gone but the front office if almost guaranteed to remain. The cycle continues. I'm not advocating Hickey / Tannebaum should be fired. It's just a continued problem that will always be there because:

    1. Ireland wasn't fired with Sparano; and then

    2. Philbin wasn't fired with Ireland.

    Ross had a chance to clean house twice. Next year if a new coach is brought in and he struggles, who do we blame? Front office? Coach? Both? Ross certainly won't know. And there is nobody guiding him without a biased agenda to keep their own job. And he doesn't know enough to make any football decisions on his own.
     
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  28. ILDolPhan

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    Parcells still has his ear apparently....and Carl Peterson? Tony Dungy? Dan Marino? Santa Claus? 2008 was the last time Miami had a singular vision. Parcells was the VP of Football Ops (or whatever title he had), and handpicked his GM and head coach who all shared the same philosophy. Tannenbaum appears to be in a comparable role to Parcells, so it'll be interesting to see if he sets up a similar structure. This team has more talent than in 2008, so Tannenbaum has a head start there.
     
  29. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Taking the long view in philbin's firing, not only is this move addition by subtraction but we'll once again be able to obtain & retain alpha football players. Football players with top qualities we can feel good about like "on-the-field skills" not "keep his mouth shut."
     
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    Samphin Κακό σκυλί ψόφο δεν έχει

  31. jdallen1222

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    Probably because they still have Coyle on staff. Is Ross doing this **** again?
     
  32. Zach13

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  33. LBsFinest

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    ****ing idiots should've fired Coyle and hired him last offseason....lol how dumb is this franchise to think that he would join this dumpster fire midseason. And we here we go again offering the job to an outside candidate when technically the position isn't even vacant.
     
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  34. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Was going to post this.

    That is precisely why I said he would turn this down. I cant blame him, I would. I mean why would you want to take a job with an interim coaching staff when the likelihood of being replaced at the end of the season is high.
     
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  35. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Really, I don't think that reaching out to Schwartz with Coyle still on staff is a big deal at all. It is nowhere near the epic fail Ross made with his initial pursuit of Harbaugh.
    What is far more concerning is that we may very well be stuck with Coyle.
     
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  36. Tin Indian

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    Look the positive to me in this is that they are actively trying to find a replacement for Coyle.
     
  37. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Man, when it comes to firings you guys are like piranhas.
     
  38. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Perhaps, but Coyle should have been fired last year even if they kept Philbin on. He is by all reports wildly unpopular with his players (and yes that matters) and is already rumored to be gone TODAY at some point in the national media.
     
  39. Tin Indian

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    Anyone have any thoughts about Mike Smith as a DC? I know that is what he was at Jax prior to getting the Head coach gig in Atlanta.
     
  40. jdallen1222

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    We are eager for a change. Who would be satisfied with the status quo?
     

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