New Coach Conundrum

cambell was pre philbin

 

A symptom of poor leadership among the players, which again may or may not be secondary to their disenchantment with the former head coach and defensive coordinator.

 

While I think both Philbin and Coyle needed to go, they aren't the only problem with this franchise. Years of bad drafting, overpaying for FA and overall roster management has been an achilles for this team.

For once, I would love to see this franchise go through an offseason without making a big splash in FA. I have no problem signing some quality starters but going after the top FA every year has not worked. I think it's a sign of a desperate team who has to try and make up for draft mistakes. On top of that, how does giving big paydays to guys who aren't on the team impact the guys who are on the team, working hard to earn their big contract?

 

Well said. There is a chance now.

 

I agree with you, but I believe you are grouping FA acquisitions that should not be grouped. We all know there are certain positions that are foundational: QB, LT, DT, DE, and CB. The amount we spent on Wallace did not really have a chance to significantly improve the team. I have changed my opinion of the stretch the field WR as a must have. Signing Suh and Albert did have a chance to significantly impact the team. The Wallace signing did not.

 

In your defense I think what we all learned was that while a down-field component is necessary within a successful offense in some capacity, a single WR (not matter how good) is not by himself going to give you that stretch-the-field element within your offense.

Both the line and the QB have to do their part and neither really did in Miami when it came to Wallace's couple seasons there.

 

See, I expected us to be underwhelmed with signing Suh. He's just one guy. I also think LT's are overrated. I never like being the highest bidder for the largest contract for a position. The successful organizations rarely do that and usually only for the QB

 

The only way the Suh signing was going to be worth it was if he made the run defense much better while at the same time collapsing the pocket against the pass, while consuming blockers and freeing up the ends to rush the passer. For some reason none of that seems to be happening.

 

I'll never forget how people thought I was crazy for even daring to question the Suh signing for this very reason. I think I was even called a cry baby.

 

This is a pointless thread. I'm surprised it has gone on for five pages.

There is no contradiction between being glad that Philbin is gone and not expecting the team to finish with a good record.

First of all, it's not as if Philbin is some kind of guarantee for 8-8. When he got fired the team was 1-3 going into the tough part of its schedule. So it was headed for something like 4-12 or 3-13. If you think the team will win six or seven games under Campbell and actually look like it gives a damn, you're going to be happy with the change even if the team wins up with a worse record than it had last year.

Second of all, as 20 or 30 posters have pointed out, just because Philbin was not a good coach does not mean that Campbell will be a better one.

Third of all, the talent level on this team may just not be very high.

Enough of this. Let's have another half-dozen Tannehill threads instead.

 

You big Cry Baby!

 

I believe in the emotional aspect of football, I believe that all players must be pushed to reach their potential, i do not believe they can attain it by themselves, and if this guy knows how to get that out of each and every one, watch the fu&& out.

 

I think you are 100% right. Football is a violent, emotional game. A coach does not need to be a 'rah rah' guy to be successful, but he does need to inspire confidence and have some leadership qualities.

There have been quiet, measured coaches who have had success, but in my experience there are Joe Philbins, Cam Camerons, and Jim Caldwells aplenty for every Tony Dungy. You can get away with being quiet, calm, even introverted if you are really good at the other aspects of coaching. Joe Philbin and Jim Caldwell both have about as much personality and emotional intensity as a can of tomato soup, neither one is capable of inspiring confidence, neither one has any sort of great leadership qualities, and neither one is exceptional enough at other aspects of coaching to make up for those deficiencies. And if you think I am just making up nonsense about Joe, just look at all of the interviews that were conducted with current and former Dolphins during Joe's tenure.

Dan Campbell is too little and too late to make a really appreciable impact right now. He's stuck with Joe's staff (and let's face it, it's NOT a top shelf staff) and trying to fix everything in the span of two weeks while the team has to claw its way back from a 1-3 start. Right now Dan Campbell's most immediate and monumental task is to make it possible to actually watch and enjoy seeing this team play football again. I could not bring myself to watch the second half of the Bills game or the Jets game.

I like that Campbell is stressing competitiveness. That's good. This team is going to finish 6-10 if we're lucky, but at least they might wind up being competitive enough during that stretch that I can stomach watching them.

 

That is precisely and exactly what you said.

"I just don't understand why when people wanted those two gone, got what they wanted, they are still down in the dumps and expecting us to be worse than ever."

You think there is a contradiction between wanting Philbin/Coyle gone and the team being worse than last year. There isn't.

 

Just because they were hired and coached under Phibin does not mean they are bad coaches. All of us have worked for bosses we didn't agree with, and all of us kept our jobs because we needed the money. I would think NFL coaching jobs are tough to get and keep, thus it would make sense that if you wanted to coach you would hold on to your job. You might think this coach sucks and doesn't know what he is doing, but you wouldn't just quit and walk away cause you might never get back into coaching. I am hoping this is the case with Campbell; he knew the head coach was clueless, and now he can correct it.

 

He cost us wins by making bad decisions, by not grow players, by not demanding more from his staff, by not fixing problems, and by creating an atmosphere of a weak minded team. That takes time to change. If the players were so uptight trying not to make a mistake, then it might be reasonable to see them explode on Sunday. That is the one way you see instant improvement, and it speaks well of Campbell that he recognizes it. I have faith the Campbell is going to require more rushing attempts and manage Lazor. I expect some better performance from the receivers and the offense. I really do like what Saunders will bring to the staff.

 

You say something. Some one answers you, and then you say the exact same thing you said before, as if you hadn't read, or understood, the answer.

It's already been pointed out to you that Philbin was not an 8-8 coach this year. He was a 3-13 or 4-12 coach, for whom the team was not even putting forward a minimal effort. (That's why he got fired.) So if the team does better than 3-13 and actually tries, it will be better than it is now, even if it winds up with a worse record than 8-8.

I'll say it a couple times more, in the hopes that it sinks in.

Philbin was not an 8-8 coach this year. He was a 3-13 or 4-12 coach, for whom the team was not even putting forward a minimal effort. (That's why he got fired.) So if the team does better than 3-13 and actually tries, it will be better than it is now, even if it winds up with a worse record than 8-8.

Philbin was not an 8-8 coach this year. He was a 3-13 or 4-12 coach, for whom the team was not even putting forward a minimal effort. (That's why he got fired.) So if the team does better than 3-13 and actually tries, it will be better than it is now, even if it winds up with a worse record than 8-8.

 

LMAO. I kept reading because I thought you were going to reword it.