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Mel Kiper bashes Tannehill

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  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Anyone questioning what Drew Brees can do (all be it declining) simply look at how GREAT Jimmy Graham, and our very own Kenny Stills are doing...its early but those guys arent alone either. When his wrs leave their career takes a dive.

    No accident.


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  2. adamprez2003

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    So mariotta should have a better day than tannehill this sunday. Especially since the titans have one of the best pass defenses in the league and we have one of the worst. How much better will Mariottas numbers be
     
  3. Fin-O

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    Better question is, if he doesnt? Who will you blame??


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  4. Tannephins

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    What I know is that all QBs have variation in their performances from year to year, and QBs like Brees vary within a range of performance significantly higher than QBs like Tannehill.

    So, if you want to attribute that variation to differences in the quality of their supporting casts from year to year, you'd be at a loss to explain, via their supporting casts, how QBs such as Brees still manage to vary within a range significantly higher than other QBs.
     
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  5. adamprez2003

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    Make a prediction. All you tanny bashers just talk ****. You have guys on this board who thought RGIII and kaepernock were better than tannehill. You would think they would be humbled by their horrible analysis but yet they continue. So make a prediction on the stats this Sunday. If mariotta is better and is playing a worse defense he should have much better numbers than tannehill. I mean what's the purpose of having knowledge if you can't use it to predict future events
     
  6. adamprez2003

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    what does higher mean. How old is the guy. You act as if he's the same QB he was seven years ago. He's not. He's in an offense that throws it constantly so he puts up yards but tje offense settles for field goals. Plus he just got injured. The likelihood is hes going to get injured more often from here on out
     
  7. Fin-O

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    This ridiculous logic is why Vegas is Vegas. Ryan thoroughly outplayed Tom Brady game 1 last season. What did that matter in the scheme of things?

    Geno Smith and EJ Manuel both outplayed Ryan, what did that matter in the scheme of things?

    Are you really saying that whoever plays better this Sunday is the better QB? Thats 6th grade shnit right there.


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  8. adamprez2003

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    No predictions. What a surprise. But he's better, well just because
     
  9. Fin-O

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    Who said he's better? One guy? So you want to label everyone else feeling that way?

    More 6th grade shnit.


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  10. jdang307

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    People catching feels about their QBs man

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  11. Sceeto

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    "Skip Bayless and Mel Kiper have a love child and name it Ryan Tannehill"
     
  12. finsfandan

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    That's not fair. You can't call people like me a hater when I say Tannehill is a mediocre, middle of the road QB based on his QBR/Passer Rating, skills and accomplishments. You know Tannehill isn't top 10, which is why you ordered the QBs in tiers in no particular order.


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  13. djphinfan

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    mariota is a rookie..so just for the record, you dont swap qbs ?
     
  14. djphinfan

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    because its an ilogical way to judge whos better, rookie qb against 4 years starter...lol..like I said, would you trade qb's,? if not ok, we know where your at, no big deal..you might be right, I dont think so, I dont believe any gms in the league thinks so, but we'll see right..

    im not a numbers guy but they look pretty damn good for a rookie
     
  15. djphinfan

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    my prediction is mariota will be the better qb, what other type prediction do you want..
     
  16. adamprez2003

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    So you admit that today he is not better than tannehill and you're projecting at some future point in time he will surpass tannehill. One year? Two years? Three? Since no one here even bothered to ask what my criteria or parameters were when making the list what do you assume them to be? I mean you have people questioning drew brees ranking as If what he did five years ago matters in my rankings. Now you say in one post marriotta is better but then say he's a rookie in another. You ever think we might be using different parameters?
     
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  17. jdang307

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    First, the bold. You have to do the same to argue Tanny is top 10, right? Project?

    Second, shoot He might already be better. 99 rating , 8 TD 3 INT, 8.0 ypc. Of course you have to project, he's never completed a season yet.
     
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  18. AdamC13

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    Since Mariota is a Rookie the comparison needs to be their skill sets. Comparing the skill sets between Mariota and Tannehill I don't see a single area where Mariota isn't better than Tannehill.

    Accuracy = Mariota
    Deep Pass = Mariota
    Touch = Mariota
    Decision Making = Mariota
    Running = Mariota
    Throwing on the Run = Mariota
    Fewer turnovers = Mariota
    TD / Int = Mariota
    Footwork = Mariota (has been compared to Montana's)
    Pocket Awareness = Mariota
    Movement in the Pocket = Mariota
    Release = Mariota (has been compared to Marino's)
    Ability to Learn = Mariota
    Leadership = Mariota

    The only thing I can think that Tannehill is above Mariota is his supporting cast of WRs and OL which isn't a skill set.

    Seriously, to anyone that has actually watched Mariota in college and this year is there a single skill set that Tannehill is above him, right now?
     
  19. adamprez2003

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    Getting laid
     
  20. roy_miami

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    Mariotta will have a much higher passer rating than Tannehill. I predict 105 for Mariotta and 85 for Tannehill.
     
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  21. DolphinGreg

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    You said it yourself.

    Everyone expects Mariota to have a good day going against the Dolphins defense assuming they are the same group they were in the first 4 weeks during which they made Black Bortles, Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick all look good. Whether or not the defense will have improved over the last 2 weeks we don't know but right now, one would obviously expect a guy who's completing well over 60% of his passes, who's on pace to throw 32 TDs and only 12 INTs and who is facing a unit that struggles to pressure the pocket to have a fair amount of success, particularly playing at home.

    Tannehill on the other hand is capable of throwing for 300 yards but probably won't given the poor rushing attack, questionable play-calling and bad protection afford him by his line. Given what the first four weeks have presented, I'd certainly expect Mariota to have an efficient and clean game while Tannehill struggles, likely turning it over at least once.

    Here are the averages per game so far for Mariota:
    64%, 255 yds, 2 TDs, 0.75 Ints, 99 rating

    Here are the averages so far for Tannehill:
    57%, 270 yds, 1.8 TDs, 1.3 Ints, 77 rating


    So I would guess that the two will be similar in yardage but that Tannehill will take more passes to do it and that Mariota will probably not turn it over while Tannehill does at least once.
     
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  22. roy_miami

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    Here's another prediction: If Tannehill does end up with better stats that dude will come back with "would you look at that, all you "experts" were wrong...quit talking about QBs from now on will you."

    And if Marriota has better stats he'll be like "yeah well Tannehill can't do anything behind this o-line..."
     
  23. AdamC13

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    :lol: Only way to know this is to have personal experience. Were you his tight end?
     
  24. Rock Sexton

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    The narrative will forever be adjusted .... :pointlol:
     
  25. Vertical Limit

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    I actually expect the defense to have their best game this Sunday against Mariota. New coaching staff, a bye week to recover injuries for Wake and Vernon. If our defense does not play to the expectations that were set on training camp, its time to cut ties with several players on defense starting with Wake. He must show up this sunday.
     
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  26. roy_miami

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    I'm predicting it'll be a low scoring game a-la the Titans-Bills game and grit will win it for one team or the other in the final minutes/seconds.
     
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  27. Sceeto

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    Among other things, we really need a better pass rush. We really need pressure as well as containment from the edges. Sucks Wake has been dinged up and nothing but Shelby for depth.
     
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  29. Rock Sexton

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    Seriously, Wake is 33 ..... how much you think he's got left?

    Dude has had nagging injuries for the last few years as age has finally caught up to him. He gone next year. It's just unfortunate that it looks like NONE of the guys drafted to help replace his sacks aren't turning out very well (i.e. OV and Jordan).
     
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  30. djphinfan

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    im sorry I wasnt clear, I will swap qbs right now, ill take my chances and live with the growing pains, what else do you want me to say..
     
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  31. djphinfan

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    imo this game has no bearing on mariota, for all we know cambell has this defense foaming at the mouth and we kill mariota and all the backs.

    I believe in the emotional aspect of football, I believe that all players must be pushed to reach their potential, i do not believe they can attain it by themselves, and if this guy knows how to get that out of each and every one, watch the fu&& out.
     
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    Finally, someone has some faith in their own understanding of the game. and a very logical, sound analysis of how the game might play out. Thanks for taking the time to write that up.

    My take on our offense will be dependent on whether Brandon Albert, Pouncey and James play the entire game. As long as an offensive line has three starters that are at least average it can function. You can design pass blocking schemes, run blocking schemes and plays to cover up the two holes in your line. you wont function at 100% but you will be at about 80% which is fine. But once your line gets down to only two then the offense cannot function at all. The only way to win games at that point is by having a top five defense that can keep you in the game. we obviously dont have that. so being that brandon albert is expected to play, i expect an improved offensive output

    Add to the mix that we have a Parcells disciple as our new head coach, I will guess that we run more. Our last game we had a ratio of 75% passing to running which is insane. Bring it back to 40% run/ 60% pass (if the game goes well 45% run/ 55% pass) when we throw i expect at least two or three deep passes over 30 yards to be attempted and I expect to hit one probably to Stills but it could be any of the receivers. I see tannehill taking a couple of sacks but overall protecting the ball. I could see one pick but I could also see zero picks. I think the multiple pick game is done with while we have three capable olinemen playing.

    i think we rush for 95 yards and throw for 280 yards. qb rating 90.

    the key to the game however will be the defense. Unlike our offense which is beholden to albert, pouncey and james staying healthy, the defensive problems IMO were somewhat scheme related. this is pure guessing but i think a parcells disciple will go attack heavy and maybe up the blitz pressures. That could be good or very bad depending on timing and execution. hopefully our dlinemen are more healthy but i expect us to get 3 sacks in this game manufactured or conventional. the question will be will mariotta burn us and the secondary when we bring the heat. I think he will once with Kendall Wright catching a TD but I think as the game wears on we will win the battle

    Titans rushing 75 yards passing 235 yards qb rating 80 2 ints

    Dolphins 24 Titans 13

    Now I could be 100% wrong on this one. New coach, new defensive coordinator. we really dont know what we're going to see in terms of changes yet but thats the fun part of this. Its boring when you know whats going to happen. Throw in some mysteries and it gets interesting again
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    granted you have no personal experience in this so I'll explain

    This is his wife

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    In the heterosexual community we consider her a ten. Add in the fact that she fishes and shoots guns and that score jumps off the charts to 12

    This is Mariotas girlfriend. She is not a ten. she plays some sport called soccer which detracts her even more in the eyes of the heterosexual community

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    first off i like marriota. for me to have him as high as he is, says i like what he's done for his rookie year and his potential going forward. as to the outcome. regardless of the score i will continue to say "quit talking about QBs from now on will you." :lol: seriously though the biggest weakness is our guards. we have the 79 and 74th rated guards in the league. Yet count the posts criticizing our QB vs the guards. Its probably 100 to 1. For some reason fans dont want to analyze offensive lines. I would think this year would prove how important an offensive line is as you can see by Peyton, Brees, Rivers, Luck all floundering. And I'm hoping everyone will see it when Albert comes back that the 3/5ths rule is a golden rule. Unfortunately for Tannehill he's facing the number one pass defense lol so it may take another week but I have faith he will be able to overcome that little obstacle as long as everyone stays healthy on the oline for the entire game
     
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    my criteria for my list is to look at the last year, the present year and project forward one year. i also put them all on an average ranked 16 offense 16 defense team. actually over the day I have decided that I have Peyton ranked too high. He's probably retiring next year and if it wasnt for the defense he would probably be 2-2 or 1-3. He got hurt last year, wont play next year. I'll put him behind Brees just outta respect for the guys football smarts at this point. As for Mariotta he's my highest ranked rookie but he still has alot to work on, far more than tannehill. But it looks like season one will be positive. I expect a bit more from him next year but really am not expecting the game changer that his potential suggest might happen until year three so there is no way he can move up this year unless he stats playing even better. For a rookie i think thats tough. I like Bortles too and next year is going to be his make or break year but at this stage I cant figure out whether he'll be the next gunslinger or the next Jeff George. He improved from his rookie year which is a good sign so next year he's gotta improve some more and start playing smarter. From what Ive seen Tannehill is definitely top ten when he gets protection. Look at the Raiders game last season ....17 in a row completions?...Its been so few and far between in his three plus years I just feel Dolphins fans think this is what a normal offnsive line looks like and cant fathom that it could get better but if tannenbaum has any brains he brings in two free agent offensive linemen (dont have to be great just average) and drafts another two for the future and depth
     
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    Let the season play out. Would he be the first guy you cut next week, assuming the defense doesnt live up to preseason expections in one game after a coaching change? That was the statement I was reacting to. Rather knee jerk if you ask me. They were pretty lofty.
     
  37. jdallen1222

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    Who is Wake holding back? What benefit would cutting him mid season provide? How much is club membership again?
     
  38. roy_miami

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    Peyton is old. And the Broncos signed the guy we wanted to back up the brinks truck for, the guy that would cure all of our ails. Plus they changed offesnive schemes, when Tannehill was floundering last season wasn't that a valid excuse for him?

    Brees and Rivers aren't floundering. What makes you say that?

    Hasselback isn't floundering behind the same line that Luck had. Whats up with that?
     
  39. Tannephins

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    There is little or no reliable or definitive evidence that Tannehill's play is attributable to what's going on around him.
     
  40. DolphinGreg

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    Not sure we start cutting players but yeah, it'll be a telling week.

    While I just said it'll be a telling week, I also expect the next month to be a gradual reshaping of the defense so don't expect everything to be different the first week out.
    There's something I really like about this Tannehill kid....you make a very persuasive argument!
     
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