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Video of the Kenny Stills deep ball catch, and the whole Mia vs Ten game

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  1. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    Someone posted the whole Miami vs Tennessee game on youtube (low quality).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZXZTxX6e90&feature=youtu.be&t=1h48m48s

    The Kenny Stills deep ball catch occurs in the 4th quarter, 13:08 left.

    In the video, it happens at the [strike]1:42:05 mark[/strike] (Correction: it now appears to be at the 1:48:48 mark; as per bakedmatt).
     
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  2. bakedmatt

    bakedmatt Well-Known Member

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    1:48:48
     
  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    Clearly some cgi work there. We know better
     
  4. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    How long was that? Wait nvm. Doesn't matter. It wasn't long enough to be considered deep ball.
     
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  5. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    WOW, Tanne connects on one 38 yd pass and you all start chirping.

    It is what it is, deal with it.
     
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  6. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    Tannehill & Stills also connected on a 42 yd long ball in the previous game (although it was in garbage time). Two games in a row. I'm not saying anything is conclusive. I'm just hoping that Tannehill & Stills are developing some deep ball chemistry.
     
  7. heylookatme

    heylookatme Well-Known Member

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    Who exactly is chirping here? Because it looks like it's you.
     
  8. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Clutch throw because we REALLY needed it at the moment. Titan fans began to slowly exit their building after that happened.
     
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  9. USArmyFinFan

    USArmyFinFan Maximum Effort

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    That was a nice throw by T17!
     
  10. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Thanks for the link. Couldn't watch it live.
     
  11. MikeHoncho

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    Whatever that was, it was 20 yards short of a deep ball.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Was a perfect throw but I can't stress how important it can be to have a receiver that can do what Kenny did on that play.

    Here's the reason I say that. If you notice Blidi Wreh-Wilson's coverage on the play, it was actually good. He didn't **** up. This is the NFL, not college. In college guys will make an attempt to jam you at the line and end up whiffing and now you have a free outside release while still having the chance to maintain cushion between you and the sidelines, and it all looks very pretty. This didn't look pretty because Wreh-Wilson knows he has help to the inside, starts reading Kenny Stills' outside release right away, and he's squeezing the hell out of Kenny using the sideline as the 12th man. He's also using his NFL starting corner caliber 4.39 speed (not to mention 6'1" frame) to keep up with Kenny Stills, who has a disadvantage because he's being squeezed so far to the sideline that he's got a longer track to run.

    But you know what? It doesn't matter. Kenny Stills (who has 4.32 speed) is just that fast and good at tracking the ball. There's no hesitation, he keeps running straight through it at full speed because he can track the football well enough to know that's what he needs to do. I see guys slow up then speed back up all the time, downshifting to give their eyes a chance to locate the ball then upshifting when they realize the QB laid it out for him to run under.

    The play really shows what an asset Kenny Stills can be. He's under-utilized but part of that is because Miami has some other good players, Rishard Matthews being one of them.
     
  13. 77FinFan

    77FinFan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Out of his own end zone. Impressive throw right there.
     
  14. ckparrothead

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    Those that say this wasn't a deep ball are...well I don't want to offend anyone so I won't say it harshly. Suffice it to say you're wrong.

    It doesn't matter what measure you choose to designate whether it was a deep ball or not. The ball hits Stills about 26 yards vertically beyond the line of scrimmage, about 34 yards vertically from where Tannehill threw the thing, and traveled around 41-42 yards through the air on a high arc against single-high man coverage.

    You won't find a single coach that decides to labor the point on whether that was a "deep ball" or not. Schematically it was a deep ball in that it was exactly what you do when you have a speedster in your arsenal and the defense decides to play him in press-man with single-high coverage. Mechanically it was a deep ball, as Ryan Tannehill pointed his front shoulder upward and lofted the ball on an arc. Distance-wise it was a deep ball, as the ball crossed 41-42 yards of distance in the air. Seriously there isn't a single test this doesn't pass when it comes to designating whether this qualifies as a "deep ball", unless you just start making up tests that have no significance in reality.
     
  15. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Quick, Pythagorean theorem, go!
     
  16. CitizenSnips

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    Ryan also didn't hesitate and trusted his wr. As CK pointed out, Stills was well covered on this play. No one would have blamed tannehill for not throwing at stills here, but he throws a pin point deep ball anyway because he trusts stills.

    He never trusted our past "speedster". You could see it in the timing
     
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  17. normaldude

    normaldude Active Member

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    It's plays like that that prevent safeties from cheating up. Cause if that safety doesn't make it over, Kenny Stills takes that for a 97 yard TD.
     
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  18. ckparrothead

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    Well, I don't know if I agree with this. From a scheme standpoint the ball went where it had to go. I'd have criticized Tannehill if he shied away from throwing to Stills on that play.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

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    Exactly right. You've got a 6'1" corner that runs a 4.39, he starts out his coverage textbook, and the play worked anyway because you made the mistake of 1) playing him press-man, and 2) having single-high coverage.

    If you're a defense, it's scary that you got burned for that because it REALLY limits what you can do if you decide that you can't play that way anymore.
     
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  20. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Maybe Im wrong, but I dont think I am.....

    I think you may have seen the effect of Al Saunders there. Chris Chambers was talking about what Al Saunders was like last week on Finsiders and said he teaches Qbs on throwing the deep ball to a WR...you let the WR get 10 yards off the LOS and then Let it Go....you dont wait for them to get open, you let them run under it.

    Unless Im mistaken...Stills is pretty damn close to 10 yards off the LOS when Tannehill throws it....he doesnt try to hit Stills as much as he just puts some air under it and lets Stills run under it in stride.
     
  21. VManis

    VManis Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's IMO the difference between Stills and Wallace. Stills is much better at tracking the ball and making adjustments. To me that far exceeds the difference in speed.
     
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  22. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    except Wallace had no issues tracking the ball in Pittsburg

    It was a nice throw by Tannehill no question. Can he do it in the last 2 minutes of a game down by 6 is the question.
     
  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    The answer is no. But that's because no defense is going to play press coverage up by six with 2 minutes to go
     
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  24. Linus

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    I remember reading detailed analysis about Wallace BEFORE we signed him...a bunch of people said he had trouble tracking balls and had a tiny catch radius down the field.

    It did seem to me that Tannehill let this one go a little bit earlier than he would have last year. It looked more like the passes we saw from training camp. Putting this on tape will help the offense IMO.
     
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  25. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Nail on the head there.
     
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  26. ckparrothead

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    He did the year before he came to Miami. He was never consistent that way.
     
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  27. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol..well lets see. Season on the line...Tenn had begun to turn momentum in their direction..backed up in his own endzone...

    Im gonna say that was as clutch a throw as your gonna see...but thats just me
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    He had issues once they went to a timing offense.

    How does Wallace look on deep balls again this season?
     
  29. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Táin Bó Cúailnge Club Member

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    In an Offense in which he is featured, Wallace is averaging 5 catches per game, 58.3 ypg, .25 TD
    He's on pace for 80 catches, 932 yards, 12.5 ypc, 4 TDs.

    By comparison, and as a role player, Stills is currently averaging 2.5 cpg, 36.8 ypg, .25 TD
    Translates to about 40 catches, 589 yards, 13.8 ypc, 4 TDs

    Stills could easily surpass any game by Wallace if he were featured or targeted as often.

    Also, TeddyB has thrown 3 TDs and 4 INTs this season. Yes, you read that correctly. My best friend is a Vikes fan. I'm loving it. lol...
     
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  30. PhinFan1968

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    22/33 for 256 yards, 11.6 YPC, 7.7 YPT, 1 TD, 1 20+ yard reception (4% of his catches)...longest reception from Teddy (who all the Wallace lovers said was going to air it out to Wallace in 2015) Bridgewater.....22 yards.

    Now Rishard Matthews, since he's Miami's leading receiver:

    23/32 for 363 yards, 15.8 YPC, 11.3 YPT, 3 TDs, 6 20+ yards receptions (over 25% of his catches)...longest reception from Ryan (couldn't throw a deep ball to save his life, particularly in a clutch moment) Tannehill.....48 yards.

    So Wallace's numbers are lower than they were at Miami in all areas...and Matthews' numbers are higher than Wallace's the whole time he was in Miami.

    DEFINITELY the QB.
     
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  31. heylookatme

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    Teddy Bridgewater can play. Mike Wallace is overrated.

    And I'm sorry that we're still talking about it.
     
  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    I gotta admit, after the Grimes pick, and being at the 2 yard line, my thought on first down was to just run it straight up the gut and get some breathing room. I love the aggression. Perfect throw from Tannehill and a good job by Stills getting open.

    Two tremendous plays back-to-back. One on defense and one on offense. Had me feeling like...

    [​IMG]
     
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  33. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    I'm still laughing because of this. Not cause you said something stupid, just from the clarity of thought displayed in the debate ending response.
     
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  34. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    Nah. Campbell taught him how to throw deep during the bye week, he also taught Cam Wake how to rush the QB. Guy is a genius I tell you.
     
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  35. Piston Honda

    Piston Honda Well-Known Member

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    The nuances of football that people ignore when trying so hard to make a point.
     
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  36. Fin-O

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    Mike Wallace is "featured" in tnat offense?? What am I missing.
     
  37. djphinfan

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    nice, he also used that savvy little hand jab to create that smidgen of speration exactly at the right time.
     
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  38. djphinfan

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    this is exactly how aaron rogers does it..

    this is something ive been specific about when it came to ryan and the deep ball topic, ive said many times, stop worrying about arch and velocity, just see it quickly and throw it on your natural plane...

    your observation is spot on here VT..
     
  39. djphinfan

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    that throw is a fairly easy throw for an NFL qb if he has good arm talent, as long as he's just trusting his release and not adjusting arch or velocity, he can make that throw in any situation..and I say that because this is a different throw that VT just pointed out..
     
  40. MAFishFan

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    Beautiful. Just plain beautiful.
     

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