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Interesting comments from Omar Kelly/Sun Sentinel

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by jim1, Jul 31, 2008.

  1. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    Did someone say he was?
     
  2. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Kiper is a talking head that many football fans, the general audience per say, will listen to. Kiper disagrees with the Dolphins selection, so do the general audience.
     
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  3. SuncoastFinsFan

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    To the person I "offended" by calling a Becker, I apologize. But I guess its better than being called a "Becker head"...:lol: Relax Dupree. We all want Beck to succeed.
     
  4. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I never said that the national media was directly posting on the boards. But if you say that the national media has no effect on the postings on this board then that's just plain ignorance.
     
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  5. Coral Reefer

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    Fans that let their viewpoint on Becks career be affected immediately from what those media reps said.

    This isn't rocket science were trying to explain here and there are plenty of threads to go back and pull up if you want to see the immediate doubt from many posters in Beck's future because of that media opinion.
     
  6. Coral Reefer

    Coral Reefer Premium Member

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    :lol:

    It's a lost cause bro.
     
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  7. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Sure. You don't have to look far. Go to the start of this thread and look at the comments directed towards Omar. I believe you will find the words "not credible" and he is accused of "not being truthful". Hope this helps!
     
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  8. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Yes, please go check the posts. And you will find that I defended the pick of Beck, even though I wanted T. Edwards. So, it wasn't my battlecry.
     
  9. Coral Reefer

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    Yes but the point is that these guys create fan opinion with their "expert" ananlysis. That's what he was referring to.
     
  10. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    Not credible and untruthful are two different categories. You can be considered not credible because you're biased. I think that's what some are saying.
     
  11. like2god

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    Take this report out of the equation for a minute and look at what Omar has written about Beck before, he has clearly written him off and made up his mind who our starter is going to be and his comments on Beck prior to this report reflect that. Now bring this report back into the conversation, the way that Omar prefaced his remarks was meant to draw attention to his criticism of Beck and nothing more. He didn't do that when talking about other players who struggle, just Beck.

    I never once called Omar a liar, I said that he is slanted in his opinion because he already made up his mind, which he did.

    Right, but alot of those QB's were given time to develop and Steve Young would be a great example of that. Until we give Beck a chance to show what he can do, how are we supposed to know with any accuracy what we have?

    But again, until we find out what Beck is capable of, we won't know what we have. It takes more than 4 games to evaluate a player, giving up so soon on Beck (or any player) is a complete waste of a draft pick and this team can't afford to waste any more than they already have.

    The way you worded your post insinuated that Cam made the wrong decision on "his guy" and that has been the battle cry of the Quinn supporters since the draft.

    Then you haven't been paying attention to the comments made over the last year. I can't help it if you missed it or don't remember it.
     
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  12. GridIronKing34

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    It was a mere example of saying how quickly the general audience turned on Cameron's selections because Kiper's reaction was about 2 seconds after the pick. The media sways our opinion whether we'll admit it or not.
     
  13. SuncoastFinsFan

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    No one, or at least I am not, questioning that Beck needs more time (He obviously does).

    My point is that any criticism of Beck gets met with a visceral reaction. And I wondered why.
     
  14. like2god

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    Believe it or not we do have a few of the Miami writers who are members and who read the board on occasion.
     
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  15. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    unless it is a straight fact that can be proven with stats like, "someone had 1 interception thrown"

    It is all opinion. That is what a forum is about. You might as well say, "Those are your words"
     
  16. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I have just seen posts like that ruin boards. We are a Dolphin fans here. No need to "call out" or "diss" some fans because they like a player more than you do.
     
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  17. Coral Reefer

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    Look, I'm hopping out of this.
    It's not worth it.

    Everyone will make their judgements.

    Personally I'm witholding judgement on Beck and all our young players until they get enough time to show whether they can make the jump or not.
    I won't be one of these people that expect the talent to just show up and be NFL ready out of the box.

    Generally I feel that it's the 3rd year that is key for the avg. player.
     
  18. GridIronKing34

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    Probably picked the wrong time to joke around then lol...
     
  19. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Right. Ok. And I think that Omar was accused of being both...so according to you, that would be putting Omar in two different categories.
     
  20. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Ok. But are they influencing people against Beck?
     
  21. like2god

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    Will do

    What was your username over on the other site?
     
  22. cnc66

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    ahhh I see.. thank you. But you assumed much when you made that statement.. you assumed that somehow I would know you were talking about omar and not you. I took your statement as a testimonial that YOU had been called a liar, and not credible by all us Beck supporters here.. I would have been remiss if I had missed such a large scale attack by all those guys, but I now understand a little better. Thanks for clearing that up.


    I could care less about omar the idiot, he's biased...


    and I'm not. :tongue2:
     
  23. JMHPhin

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    LOL obviosly since you cant stop patting yourself on teh back about how much smarter than us you are.


    LOL

    READ many posts by me and others, they state IN FACT NOT YOUR OPINION, that Beck had better step up and stop with the errors or he will play himself out of teh comp.

    But if you deny that Beck isnt your fav and someone else is and you are as biased against Beck as you say we are for Beck, then well I will stay civil.

    You can say that we are homers because we wont call Beck a bust yet if you want, but it just points to YOUR bias. After all what is that we are saying you dont like? That Beck isnt a finished product yet?

    You believe he is a bust so be it, but dont condescend to us trying to show how much smarter you are and then be adverse to getting it back.

    Oh by the way, go back to day 1 and Omar has time and time again been against Beck. It isnt critical, it is how he is.

    When Beck is blamed for checking down when Vonnie comes clean past Long and has beck in his clear sites at full speed, beck is supposed to stand in and hold trhe ball, yet when he does hold it longer and takes the would be sack, he held it too long. A case of which is it? He points out that Beck was under severe pressure yet blames him for bad passes.

    Yet no mention of it being week 1 of camp or that the other qbs struggled with the pressure w/ the 1st team, only how they did when they did well. Was it under teh same pressure or not? dont know wasnt in teh report.

    Oh by the way for all you Brady huggers, he has had 2 3 int practices and 1 2 int practices with a fumble, he must suck.
     
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  24. JMHPhin

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    At least for me only when Omar says it.

    When Volin and Edgar say it then ok. Tho it contradicts what Sparano says with all 3 qbs are doing well. But Tony could be staging for the media no doubt.

    But Omar wrote Beck off before camp started. This whole Beck is teh "stepchild", has more to prove is a bias, sorry if you disagree but if you are the media going in with that attitude then there is a bias in your reports.

    Beck has had his struggles no doubt, but Omar magnifies this to the nth degre while glazing over teh other two's struggles. That is bias.

    I have no doubts that Beck needs to pick it up or he will most lilely lose his shot. But that still doesnt change that Omar isnt just "reporting"
     
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    Especially if he goes on to be a star, and Beck & Ginn end up busts.
     
  26. GridIronKing34

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    Yeah, that wouldn't be good... Definitely worst case scenario right there.
     
  27. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Uh...never have I ever said that I am smarter than you. More objective, perhaps. But I'm older (I'm quite sure than most) and I think objectivity comes with age. I remember a time when I thought the players the Fins drafted MUST BE better.Through the years I have found that not to be the case.
     
  28. like2god

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    :thankyou:
     
  29. phinphever

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    This statement is bordering on absurd. A reporter lying thats unheard of. Like that's never happened before. But, it's not that he is lying it's he has a bias. It colors his reporting. But most of you don't understand that these blog reports are not serious reporting they are opinoin pages very similar to the editorial page in the news paper. I caution all to wait until we see these guys in action in a real game. All of these reporters jobs is to get hits on the web site and sell papers case closed. Profit before the truth. I hope beck does well, I hope Hene and Mccown do well. I just want the best QB to start.
    BTW do you think BIll, Jeff, care what a reporter says.
     
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  30. phinphever

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    Agreed, Thats the exact reason everyone should chill and watch these guys in some game before labeling anyone a bust.
     
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  31. SuncoastFinsFan

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    A reporter lying is not unheard of. A reporter lying about an easily verifiable fact and not being quickly corrected is unheard of. Its not that hard.

    Glad that you admit that you think Omar is biased. I am sure he does have biases. Just like about 95% of the posters on this site. Its not unnatural to be biased. Its unnatural to not admit it.

    Why do you think "most" of us don't understand the difference between serious reporting and opinion? I think most of us do.

    So you are telling me that Omar is just writing to put profit before truth? Is that serious reporting or is that your opinion? Just wondering, just in case I am in the majority that can't tell the difference.

    And BTW, I know damn well that BIll, Jeff, and Tony don't care what the reporters think...I am wondering though why it has you so worked up?

    PS...Love the pic in your sig, my brother. :hi5:
     
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  32. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Who has labeled anyone a bust? No one is a bust until they are. I wouldn't say that we have a bust on our roster...yet. I think if I had to pick one, I would say Matt Roth is closest to the "Bust Bubble".

    Even if Beck doesn't start, I still won't think he's a bust. If think (and this is only my opinion, with all of the ignorance that having an opinion implies) what lies ahead for Young John Beck is a backup role. And I think, if YJB will embrace the role, and be the best backup he can be, he'll be valuable to the team and have a great reputation in this community.

    This is Far Far Away from being a bust.
     
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  34. JMHPhin

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    You rmore objective because you say so?

    You agree with Kelly so he isnt biased is that how it works?

    This is a case of you hearing what you want and you not hearing what you dont want. Period. We say beck is struggling but want to see him in game action before we judge and we are huggers, yet you want to write him off before he plays a real game and your objective? Explain how that works again?
     
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  35. Stringer Bell

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    Did you not just read his post?
     
  36. mullingan

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    Agree and LOVE THE PIC OF THE PREZ:up:
     
  37. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Uh...I really don't know even how to respond to this.

    First of all, did you even read my post?

    I don't agree with Omar or disagree with Omar. As far as I'm concerned, he was reporting Beck's performance. I suspect Omar is, like everyone of us, biased. We all have them. To not have bias it the mark of an untrained mind.

    For the record (again, which I have stated repeatedly) I want Beck to succeed. Who doesn't? (other than non Fins fans).

    Again, I never called anyone a "hugger". I just questioned why someone as unaccomplished as Beck has so much support. Thats all.

    And the only reason that I offered that I was (perhaps--means, I am guessing) more objective than some is because I was first accused of going around claiming to be smarter. Thats a claim I have never made. So I said since I am older, I now know the Fins are just as capable as any team of screwing up their drafts and such.

    I have actually gone as far as to say I like Beck even if he doesn't start. I just don't get emotional (like many) when he is criticized. I believe the criticism is fine. No one that I have read has called him names or said personal things about him. His critics are criticizing his play.

    You seem especially touchy today. Too much caffeine?
     
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  38. SuncoastFinsFan

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    Thanks Stringer. That was the first thought that popped into my mind as well.
     
  39. phinphever

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    I think this has gotten way out of hand. Look I don't know who is the best QB. What I want is a reporter to give me the facts only. I am not interested in his opinion. I have watched enough football to form my own opinion about how a player is playing. The problem is these reporters think we are stupid and don't know anything about football and need their opinion about how a guy is playing. I don't give a damb about any of these idiot's opinions. The main reason is I can't trust thier objectivity. No one is perfect. Reporters leave out facts and detail sometimes unintentionally. But when a pattern appears with a reporter like this, it hard to trust what he is saying is unbiased. It is very hard to not let their natural biases creep into their reporting, BUT IT'S THEIR JOB!!! It is not their job to shape perception or to tell us what to think. Use your mind don't always believe everthing you read. John Beck may go on to be a bust and he might become very good. Any one who thinks they got a lock on it is living in fantasy land. What I want is unattainalbe I guess, with closed practices and no video to watch.

    Factors left out of reports

    Incompletion due to good coverage.
    Incompletion due to WR running wrong route or bad communication.
    Incomp due to bad throw by QB
    Incomp due to pressure by defence because oline wiffed on block
    Sack due to bad block by online
    Sack due to QB holding on to ball to long

    Plus many others reasons. But do we get complete info? No we don't we get " beck throws wounded duck, looks scared" "he went 1-4".
    What info I need is was it 1st team against 1st or 2nd angainst 1st or whatever.
    Admittedly some of this info is there but due to bloging restrictions at practice it is hard to give complete info. I don't need them to tell me what to think, I need them to tell me what happened and thats it
     
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  40. SuncoastFinsFan

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    But you seem to expect everyone else to "want" exactly what you want. You want the facts, others may want someone who was actually there to give them a feel of whats going on.

    Stats lie. All of those incompletions were caused by something. What if he threw 4 terrible passes and all were almost INTs, but the defender dropped them right into the hands of the WR?

    If all he gave you was "Beck completed 4 passes" you have no way of knowing if the QB was any good or not. Right now, because I can't be there, I want someone to tell me whats going on.

    Once I watch a preseason game, I'll be able to tell for myself as well. But I am not going to go all ballistic on a reporter because he doesn't do his job like I think he should.
     
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