The difference between NE and the other 2 games.

It is actually by design

Makes QB job easier

Some are calling it dink and dunk. It is not Dink and dunk it is a hybrid of the west coast ------short passes to get people out in space to maximize possibilities. Remember Roger Craig??

Getting Landy and Miller out in space is scary for any defense

 

and will be par for the course moving forward to. A lot of people here were stoked about signing SUH. We blew our load on one guy who has made little difference. Now for the next 5 or 6 we get to have no depth and half to try and rebuild with no money to do it with. Guys like Stiles are going to want to get paid., the offensive line has huge holes, we need Linebackers and some depth across the board. Welcome to mediocrity for years to come.

I warned people and got crucified for being negative. There is only one way to fix this team and it is to blow it up in its entirty, purging the rooster of the garbage and high priced paper weights and starting over with young reasonably priced talent

 

Do you remember some of the good coverage Jordan had on Gronk and Megatron. It was uncanny for a guy his size and showed a lot of promise. Obviously that promise has been pissed away for the most part.

 

Okay, after having a couple of days to digest and get my head space and timing back in sync, everyone does need to settle down a bit on the loss to the Patriots. Everyone needs to remember the basic philosophical strategy of a football team's season; win the games you're supposed to win, and a couple of the games you're not.

We all LOVE what Dan Campbell has done with the team thus far. He's turned the team around into a physical, hard nosed team that has passion and intensity. That's what we've all wanted, but let's be realistic...

We were SUPPOSED to win against the Titans. We did
We were SUPPOSED to win against the Texans. We did
We were "supposed" to lose against the Patriots. We did

I'm like all of the other fans here; I'm upset that we not only lost, but got our asses handed to us, but then again it IS the Patriots. 41-4 at home over the last x number of years; lost only ONCE to the Dolphins at home back in 2008. As much as I hate them, the Patriots are a BEAST, especially at home.

Next up is Buffalo, a team we were SUPPOSED to beat in our first meeting, but didn't. Let's see how Campbell handles the slice of humble pie served him in New England and see if we do indeed win against the Bills...like we're SUPPOSED to.

Keep the faith guys!

 

Please quote where I mentioned they were surprised.

34 points and 500 yards of offense allowed, sucks. I mentioned the offense sucked. I mentioned EVERYONE on the offense sucked.

Not sure what you're trying to get at.

 

"Some good coverage" is quite different from "shutting down".

 

You keep throwing those stats at me in black and white as if you didn't even watch how the game progressed. It's very disingenuous.

The offense put a big fat zero on the board in the first half. The defense kept the team in the game for the entire half after facing HORRIBLE field position throughout most of it. They were only down 19-0 against one of the league's highest octane offenses.

They came out in the 3rd quarter and only gave up a FG. But once again the offense couldn't sustain drives and the lack of depth on defense caught up to them. What else do you expect, considering it was a short week! Then Cam goes down, end of story.

The defense came to play. The offense sh*t the bed. I can't even imagine how demoralizing that must be when you're busting your *** out there as a unit and once again the offense can't step up in a big game. Been the story throughout most of the last 4 years.

 

There was only a 5 minute difference in time of possession. The defense allowed the same amount of points in the first half as they did in the second. None of that lends a stitch of credence to what you're saying. There is NO context which makes allowing 34 pts and 500 yrds of offense anything but a failure for a defense.

Both squads **** the bed.

 

But thats trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

 

You must have forgotten that Tannehill rolled out and extended on one of those plays. Amazing how much better the o-line can look when the QB helps out a little...

 

Amazing how much better a QB can look when the OL can block people. Works only one way in your world Roy?


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The Bills and Jets are built to beat the Patriots. We are the Patriots-lite. Thats why those teams have so much success against us.

 

What's really amazing is how Brady was operating behind his Oline. This is why I don't buy the Oline truthers around here. I am sure you all heard that the patriots were down to their last olineman. 2 rookies(one undrafted) and a practice squad player started the game on Thursday. Let's work through this now. Here is some of what I read after the last two games. Miller > Lewis/blount. Landry > edelman. matthews > amendola. Gronk > Cameron. So. Let's say equal weapons. Yes or no. We will move on after that.

 

The one drive the "o-line looked good on" Tannehill went above and beyond and extended a play on his own. If Tannehill did that more often the o-line would probably look good more often.

 

Brady makes up for all else. Whether people like it or not, he is one of the greatest of all time and had one of the greatest coaches of all time. Having Brady throw those to those weapons trumps ours. Brady has the ball out faster than the rest and is great at reading defenses. They seem like the only team that can plug in a piece to replace another and never skip a beat


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My question that you refused to answer was would a better blocking OL make Tannehill look better.. Cmon, you can say it. Does it work both ways?


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If you say so box score boy. LOL

 

My thoughts from game:

We were in this game until the end of the third Qtr. Once Ryan threw that pick...was game over. Folks we got beat by a superior team. They are machine right now. Talked to a ton of Pats fans at game and they even say they have never seen the entire team this dialed in before. They arent making insane plays as much as every player is playing mistake free football. No team in the NFL would habe beaten NE Thursday night. No team short of the Ray Lewis Ravens. Its ok to just chalk this up tongetting beaten by a really freakin good team. Every other game this year, we arent gonna see a team playing such a dominant brand of football.

I still feel very confident we will be a WC team, but really short of injuries I dont see NE losing right now.

 

What does that mean?

Argue my points.

 

It means you're playing the game of citing box score results in black and white. The Pats field position in the 1st half:

NE 20 Touchdown
NE 15 Punt
NE 45 Punt
NE 34 Punt
NE 10 Punt
Miami 39 Field Goal
NE 49 Touchdown

Three out of their seven possessions in the first half were near the 50 or deep in Miami territory. Only being down 19-0 vs. arguably the league's most prolific offense is DOING YOUR JOB. Too bad we don't have an offense or a QB in these kinds of big games to keep it within reach.

Pats TOP was almost 20mins compared to the Dolphins 10mins because the Dolphins offense couldn't stay on the freaking field.

In the 2nd half the Pats had field positions of:

NE 20 Field Goal
NE 20 Punt
Miami 15 Touchdown
NE 20 Touchdown
NE 30 Punt

As I was saying ..... the defense wore down as the game progressed from virtually zero offensive help and Cam Wake's injury.

 

Why are you ignoring the second half of the game? If you maintain that allowing 17 points is good for the first half, then you must also admit allowing 17 pts in the second half is also ok...right?

That means, to you, allowing 34 points in a game is a good job by the defense. I'd like to see where, in the history of the NFL, allowing 34 points is a good job by the defense.

 

No, it means I understand game conditions - whereas you're ignoring them in order to "spread blame" which is typically the case. Clearly the Dolphins defense should be able to withstand the Patriots high octane offense all game long with absolutely no help from the offense keeping them fresh, especially after Cam Wake's injury. Makes complete sense.

 

lol.

Ok man. You're right Tannehill allowed the Patriots to score all 36 points. He should be killed. The best defense always allow the other team to score 30+ points. That's a mark of greatness.

Blaming Tannehill is the new "Thanks Obama".

 

Holy overdramatic Batman!

 

And if I remember correctly Fin D, you said that both the offense and defense contributed to this loss.. The Both of them. I think you can agree that the defense played better than the offense but it was certainly not a good performance. Even when you factor in how badly the offense played.... 350 passing yrds and 4 td's and 450+ yrds of offense can't be all layed at the O's feet


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What you're not accounting for his how differently the game plays out with FRESH bodies if the offense is keeping sustained drives and putting points on the board.

The game was virtually already out of hand in the 2nd half after the Pats kicked their field goal because the Dolphins couldn't muster anything other than the opening drive TD. Once again they were turning the ball over and getting shut down.

 

Yes, the defense played better than the offense. On a scale from 1-10, the defense played a 3 and the offense played a 1. A 3 sucks slightly less than a 1, but still sucks and is still a pretty big reason we lost.

But never forget, giving up 500 yards of offense and 34 points is a stellar defensive effort cause...... Tannehill.

 

No one is disagreeing with that premise... No one is disagreeing that the D played Better than the O.. No one. The disagreement is that they played well and didn't contribute to the loss.
.. Sorry, this was directed at Rock's post.

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The pats scored the same amount of points in the first half that they did in the second half.

 

Uhhhh Fin D is. He's saying blame goes almost equally around. How that is possible when the D was playing their collective arses off in the first half to try and keep the game close is beyond me. It's like all of the sudden the idea of a unit "getting gassed" is inconceivable - especially in lieu of a short week and no depth.

That's just obtuse.

 

Why does the offense that was on the field the whole time not get fatigued? Why is it people assume only the defense "gets tired?" Sure, you might see feature backs get some breathers, and receivers might take a play or two of, but defenders take themselves or for a play or two, also. If one defense is out there a ton, then the other offense is to. They get tired also. The other offence doesn't get like a magical stamina and energy boost for staying on the field a long time.

 

Ya, that's it. Coaches want their offenses to dominate TOP because it tires them out.

I guess teams should play to make sure their TOP is even with their opponents. I've seen it all now.

 

Not to speak for Fin D Rock, but you are wrong. He doesn't blame them equally. I think he is saying the defense sucked a little less than the offense did... Can't really misread what Fin D wrote.


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Running routes takes less energy then covering those routes didn't you hear?

Remember, greatest D of all time, allows 544 points and 8000 yards a season.

 

They want them to dominate ToP because when the offense has the ball, the other team isn't scoring.

 

In the 2nd half minus their defensive leader and being gassed from getting virtually no offensive support.

Would you agree or not agree that the defense did it's job in the 1st half holding one of the league's most prolific offenses to 19-0 when the TOP was 2:1 in favor of the Pats and they start three times near the 50 yard line? What was your expectation given that circumstance.

 

Yes, dominating Top has nothing to do with tiredness, but with not allowing the other team chances to have the ball and score.

But I don't understand football.

It's ludicrous.

 

I was just told that the offense holding the ball longer would tire out their own players. LOL

 

No weren't.

 

Yes, yes I was.