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Is Ryan Tannehill the long term solution at QB?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Chuck Wilson, Nov 1, 2015.

Is Ryan Tannehill the long term answer at QB for us?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Not quite sure, need to see more

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  1. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    How do you know he doesn't watch any games? Or was that an insult?
     
  2. djphinfan

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    how do you know he doesn't watch any games?...
     
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  3. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    mike wallace says hi
     
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  4. Phins Up Wins Up

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    lol dude that's what people have been talking about for weeks. The offensive line struggles. These rookies aren't high draft picks or anything. They aren't meant to start at least not now but are because of injuries. Brady is playing behind a banged up offensive line and is still 7-0 and putting up some of the best numbers of his career. Enough with the excuses Tannehill homer. They have 3 linemen out with injuries. Think about that.
     
  5. DolphinGreg

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    Apparently his O-line is amazing considering that Wake, Suh, Mitchell and Vernon couldn't really do much against it.

    Then again, rookies are usually not great players. That's rare. I'd say Miami probably made that O-line look good.
     
  6. adamprez2003

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    due to his statements. either that or he's stevie wonder
     
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  7. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    Depending on what you call bad, their OL ranks 21st in the NFL is pass blocking by PFF. That's in the bottom half of the 2nd lowest quartile in the NFL.

    I'm not ready to give Brady all the credit as they all play for the best football coach of all time. It's pretty amazing how they can plug and play and still get their teams to win football games. It does help when you have a top 10 defense, great special teams and a HOF QB who is at the top of his game.
     
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  8. yogi superstar

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    Well, it's a fair assumption if somebody is saying NE line is bad. They are historically one of the best in the NFL every year.
     
  9. adamprez2003

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    where are they run blocking or are we playing flag football now
     
  10. resnor

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    They'll get him banned, though.
     
  11. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Brady doesn't benefit from the run blocking smart guy. Pass blocking they are 21st. They have injuries on the line and another one of their O line retired this offseason. Their line isn't top notch like it used to be. But Brady is still putting up some of his best numbers ever and they're 7-0 because of it. What excuses do you have for Tannehill now troll?
     
  12. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Well since they're 21st in pass blocking.....
     
  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    wow. brady doesnt benefit from run blocking? i apologize. i thought your previous statement was the most ignorant but I underestimated you. you really are priceless
     
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  14. Fin-O

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    Nice reply, I make you look silly and you deflect with a topic from 2013. You must donate a lot of money
     
  15. yogi superstar

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    He got me ZERO points today. UGH!!!
     
  16. Phins Up Wins Up

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    When we are talking about passing the football no it does not. I'm talking about directly effecting the time he has to pass the ball. Something you pro Tannehill people always harp about. He never has enough time. It's always because of bad pass blocking. 21st in pass blocking and still putting up great numbers and 7-0.
     
  17. Fin-O

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    He he is a FA in my league...he was open by about 3 yards and was overthrown, but at the same time didn't show any effort in laying out or trying to make a great play. Mike Wallace is a non issue and has been since last spring, yet for some reason he is worried about when we obviously have enough of our own problems down in South Beach.
     
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  18. yogi superstar

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    I play Draftkings and him against the Bears looked like a lock. Ouch!
     
  19. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Plus New England doesn't run the ball very much for the most part. A couple games ago they ran a grand total of 5 times. So what does it matter about their run blocking? They are one dimensional as you can get but Brady leads them to victory. He has a line of back ups who are 21st in pass blocking. But he gets the ball out quick and gets through his reads without hesitation. Something Tannehill doesn't do.
     
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  20. Phins Up Wins Up

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    No you don't watch football if you still think New England has a top notch offensive line.
     
  21. DolphinGreg

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    Getting back on topic, I think it's somewhat shocking that only 37% of people voted "yes" to the idea that Ryan Tannehill is a long-term answer at QB. Given that 48 people voted, that's saying something.

    Maybe the other 63% are wrong but damn, I'm pretty shocked so many people aside from myself selected either B or C.
     
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  22. adamprez2003

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    if you say it three times in a row and click your heels you'll be back in kansas
     
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  23. finsfandan

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    The seasons after scandals, Brady has gone undefeated with the exception of the Super Bowl loss to the Giants featuring the Tyree head catch. If they're cheating, everybody else deserves to lose for not finding out how to catch them.


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  24. cbrad

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    I selected C = need to see more, simply for the reason that Tannehill is almost guaranteed to be our QB next year anyway, and we might as well see the entire body of work before deciding. Nevertheless, I agree with those who say Tannehill hasn't shown he's more than a game manager. Problem is, finding a very good QB is very difficult, so you have to set the bar pretty high for embarking on a search for a new QB. Game manager is fine with me if he can do it well consistently, but he's gotta prove that in his remaining time here.
     
  25. adamprez2003

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    the list i gave is of our better players, the ones giving us a fighting chance each sunday. they are not above reproach but when you have 30 other players or so playing below their levels and you feel the need to gravitate to the problems of this team you should be spending your time on players who dont contribute, who are our weak links. You dont bash someone who is playing well and demand that he play great. my way of thinking jason fox should have one hundred times the complaints that tannehill does
     
  26. djphinfan

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    im all about that, this offseason we know what we need to do to see what his ceiling is all about...one hi draft pick, one free agent signing for the oline..and myles Jack or scooby.
     
  27. DolphinGreg

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    I agree. He'll be the QB again next year, no doubt about it. I look forward to it. I thought this would be the year in which Tannehill finally had all the tools in place around him to shine as a feature player but this year is looking more like a disaster. We'll see where we are with coaches next year.

    I treated the question more like "do you see Tannehill ever winning a Super Bowl in any capacity for the Dolphins."

    To that I say no. I can't fathom that happening.
     
  28. finsfandan

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    I posted a pretty vanilla statement about how Tannehill's YPA ranking has gone down every season from 22 to 27 to 28. The season before Tannehill was drafted, Moore was ranked 16th.

    That argument went nowhere. It was dismissed because Moore was prone to INTs. Can't Tannehill at least match Moore without having as many INTs? That's not too much to ask.


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  29. DolphinGreg

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    Okay....so you haven't seen the discussions going on about how bad the LBs are or how awful the list of CBs looks or how atrocious the Guard situation is? Did you read all the stuff people wrote about the owner? The front office? Maybe you missed all the stuff about how the coaching staff was bad?

    We had those conversation too you know! ;)

    It kind of seems like now that the focus has shifted to QB you don't want to hear it.
     
  30. adamprez2003

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    i wish we had these conversations. it seems every other thread is a tannehill thread. i would love to discuss other positions. the oline and linebackers would be great place to start or even the secondary. how's bobby mccain doing? shepard? turner? would love it. mccain and turner should be our focus right now because if they are servicable then its a position we can ignore next offseason
     
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  31. yogi superstar

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    Fair enough. But the man threw for 4045 yards, 27 TDs and 12 int with a 93 rating. So shouldn't he get a pass when he ALMOST throws a pick?? And yes, I have seen him criticized here for ALMOST throwing a pick.

    It's really idiotic.
     
  32. cbrad

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    Yeah I was just talking in general, not about a specific play.
     
  33. adamprez2003

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    but he has improved this year. His touch on his passes from last year to this year is a marked improvement. he's learned how to arc the ball in between defenders. that's huge.
     
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    Let's discuss Lazor.

    he sucks. Has balanced play calling vs. Ten and Hou and we crush them. Then he goes all pass happy vs. NE and we get smashed.

    Not consistent at all. Even if the run isn't working you keep calling it. Lamar should get 25 carries per game.
     
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    He has made some throws this year that got me up out of chair. He is definitely improving.
     
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    Stat-wise he hasn't. His consistency measured by standard deviations in Y/A as well as in passer rating is worse (so higher), and some of his averages (e.g. for passer rating) are down, and his TD/INT ratio is worse so far. Previously, he showed steady improvement close to across the board from year to year.
     
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  37. adamprez2003

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    i'm not ready to close the book on the guy because of the oline problem but yeah he's way to quick to abandon the run. sometimes you run even if it doesnt work just to keep the other team honest
     
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  38. DolphinGreg

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    Eh...you say you want that but if this forum was all threads about Bobby McCain and Koa Misi you'd quit coming. There's very little to discuss without the stuff you're arguing against.

    I don't recall having seen much of Bobby McCain. If he continues to develop that's great but that conversation is going to be pretty skinny compared to one about whether or not we should trade Wake or whether Tannehill's the guy. I mean, I have said I was a fan of Will Davis more so than Jamar Taylor and then Davis is traded. That ended that. Taylor has made some plays, which is nice, but what's there to discuss? He needs to continue to improve and for now it's a waiting game.

    It's hard to discuss players that are barely playing or who are new. If I worked for the team and got to watch practice or see these guys train I'd be able to speak on their development but I can't. So I'm restricted to guys who have played for several seasons and who are the feature guys who seem to make everything go. It's no wonder that conversations center around GMs, HCs, OCs, QBs, etc.

    I agree though, I'd like to hear some good analysis of a guy like Misi. Can he do anything for us? Is he out of position? Maybe a little under-rated? Is he someone who's holding the team back?
     
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  39. yogi superstar

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    Especially with a RB like Lamar. He has shown he can take it to the house at any time. Poor job by Lazor.
     
  40. djphinfan

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    81 attempts..22 conversions....27.2%

    good for 32nd in the NFL on third down..

    this is not a good qb stat...and there are direct correlations as to why and how it relates to keeping the qb in one spot, and the qb not having any improv game.
     
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