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Tell me which is the more logical route to take?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by vt_dolfan, Nov 4, 2015.

Which is the most logical direction Phins should go with QB

Poll closed Feb 2, 2016.
  1. Build a good line and good running game around Tannehill?

    83.6%
  2. Look for a QB who can win despite a bad offensive line and no running game.

    16.4%
  1. KeyFin

    KeyFin Well-Known Member

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    There wasn't an option C because the OP knows little about how to build a football legacy. It's definitely not an either/or scenario.
     
  2. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Ok..then your answer is hes not...and you take a QB in the first round..and keep doing so till you find one, which while I disagree, I can still respect because you made an answer with conviction.
     
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  3. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    It's not that simple, which is why I said earlier that A and B are inextricably linked, the current Miami Dolphins NEED better play from the Oline AND better play from the QB.

    In a perfect world we fix the Oline this offseason and see if Tanne can raise his level of play in crunch time next year.

    At the same time, just because you need a QB doesn't mean you draft one in the first round, the only reason you should ever draft a QB in the 1st round is because you believe that that QB can be the answer, if not you just continue to build a better team based on talent available and take flyers on QB hopefuls later in the draft or through FA until you find the right guy, and if you build a team that is a dominant team then you can win with any number of middling QBs.

    There is no need to look past the Ravens a couple years ago, they did not have a great team by any stretch of the imagination, but what they did have was great QB play, Flacco is far and away the main reason they won a SB that year, he put the team on his back.
     
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  4. dullfandan

    dullfandan Active Member

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    I'm sry I for got to answer... I believe we stick with Rt17 til it's absolutely certain he can not lead us to a SB
     
  5. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    This poll question is terrible.
     
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  6. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Ok..Bum Im fine with that. Whats a better question to ask? or a better way to put it and you can start a new Poll and merge this with yours.
     
  7. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Gee thanks for the insult, is that typically how you go about trying to get someone to agree with you.

    It is an either or ...in that your priority is the do one or the other...the team made Tannehill the priority by giving him a contract. So, they will build around 17 first, and develop other QBs second.

    If you want mediocre....continue drafting QBs rounds 3 and later...because the majority of time, thats what they are...mediocre.
     
  8. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    how many games did trent dilfer single handedly win for the ravens their superbowl run?
     
  9. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I agree. If you have a solid OL and an excellent running game, there is no need for an overpriced average QB. You can draft a young QB and pay an average veteran QB and still end up with the same record. The team will be saving a lot of money to spend on players at other needs by getting out from under Tannehills expensive contract.
     
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  10. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    You are wrong once again. The team was crap the first half of the season and that was directly due to the offensive line playing horribly. The offensive line jelled sometime around week 9 after some players were shuffled on the oline and then the ravens went on their super bowl run
     
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  11. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    If you have a solid OL and an excellent running game, Tannehill isn't an average QB. He's a really good QB. Which he has proved when he has a solid OL and an excellent running game.
     
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  12. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Lol...okkkkk

    Any idea what an average veteran QB runs you?

    Oh by the way...Ryans contract is very team friendly.
     
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  13. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Tanne's contract is only team friendly because they have a buyout after next year, and that's because they were not completely sold on him being the answer, as are many of us.

    You can also pick up an avg vet for a lot less than 18 mil per, which is what Tanne's base salary will be after next year.
     
  14. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    Option A, it's easy. The cap hit is not a big deal to me. The going rate for above average QBs will keep skyrocketing and Tannehill's deal will be a bargain in a couple of years.
    I play the odds as a fan. The odds of finding a QB that can excel under any situation - poor Oline or no running game - are incredibly slim and I'd argue only happens (drafting one) once or twice a decade at best. People thought Andrew Luck was going to be that next gunslinger, but this year has shown that he still has a lot of growing to do to avoid the stupid mistakes. 8 days ago, this question was barely relevant, people were so psyched with Tannehill and the offense's performance that people were discussing playoff scenarios. Now, everyone has jumped ship because we got our butts kicked in New England on a short week, WHEN we were supposed to get our butts kicked in that scenario.
     
  15. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    and how many average vets have landed on new teams via free agency the last few years and made impact? and I'm talking about more than a 2 or 3 game stretch.
     
  16. DePhinistr8

    DePhinistr8 Season Ticket Holder

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    Exactly...they fired the OC (Cam Cameron), brought back Bryant McKinnie which shifted a couple positions on the O-Line which actually made them somewhat dominant, and viola, better offensive play all around.
     
  17. Phins_Fan_87

    Phins_Fan_87 Phins and Heat fan Club Member

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    i have been wanting a good line for years, dont see it happening tho. how something so obvious can never be addressed is beyond my understanding
     
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  18. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    I do watch every play of every game do you? You cannot tell me that Wilson, Brady, Rogers, Dalton, etc would not win huge with the team as it stands now on offense.

    LT Pro Bowl, C Pro Bowl caliber, RT very solid player.
     
  19. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So why can't we run the ball? I know... Lamar Miller.. Why can't we pass protect? I know.. Ryan Tannehill. Do you see where our fabulous line is rated in both categories?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  20. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Sooo..please do tell...who are some of these average Vets you are talking about?
     
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  21. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    You lost credibitlity when you included Dalton in that statememt.
     
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  22. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    My problem with the poll question, is that Tannehill only needs an average line. When he plays with an average line he pretty much lights it up.

    We don't need greatness on the line, we just need average at each position.
     
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  23. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    A really good QB that keeps losing..... I don't see how you can make that statement about him being really good. You are saying he is really good when all variables are perfect for him.......
     
  24. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    When Tannehill has those players, he plays well, also. It's when he's missing at least one of those that the entire offense goes downhill.
     
  25. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Winning isn't a QB stat, no matter how many times you guys say it.
     
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  26. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    You mean because Dalton has lead his team to the playoffs in every year he has been in the league? Something your boy Tannehill has never done once.
     
  27. dolphin25

    dolphin25 Well-Known Member

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    You keep spewing off about fixing the line and how easy it is. Haven't the Dolphins been trying to do that for close to 10 years now??? Again you can't answer the question about the QB's cause you know each of those guys would be dominating with the offense we have now. Packers line is terrible, Seahawks line terrible, Pats line full of rookies. If you watched any football you would know there are only 4-5 really good OL's out there.
     
  28. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    But my problem with your problem is the Poll doesnt say great...it says good.
     
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  29. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    lol, fair enough. It doesn't need to be good, just average.
     
  30. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    And how good is Daltons?

    Your really going to try and compare Tannehill to two of the greatest QBs to ever play the game?

    Rogers would win alot with our team?

    You dont say.

    Brady would win alot with our team...

    What incredible.insight!
     
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  31. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Ok..now I can agree!
     
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  32. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Yeh..and refresh my memory...which one of those seasons did Dalton have an abysmal line?

    Seriously...you using Rogers and Brady...is like trying to say..."Well, if Barry Sanders was our RB wed have a running game"
     
  33. jdallen1222

    jdallen1222 Well-Known Member

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    This poll is a loaded question.
     
  34. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    please explain
     
  35. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    Wilson, Brady, Dalton, would be on IR with our OL, and seeing how rodgers did against denver when his OL didn't show up makes me think even he wouldn't be able to do much with the OL we have.
     
  36. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    because when tannehill gets the dolphins a lead with less than 4 minutes left and the defense fails to stop the other team, it's tannehill's fault right.
     
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  37. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    That comment made me hungry...kept thinking "loaded baked potatoe"....mmmmm
     
  38. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

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    you mean the defense, bernard, and j hill carrying the team then sure. it's only till this year dalton has started to look like a prolific passer.
     
  39. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Option A. I'd love for Tannehill to turn into an elite Qb but chances are he's going to stay an average to above average Qb with inconsistent games and stretches. We can win with him if we can fix the defensive side of the ball and get a running game going and learn to pass protect. I'd love to have an elite Qb but we can win with a good qb. You look at a lot of guys that have won Superbowls and they were good for stretches and just had a great playoff run or a great year and won a Superbowl, I think Ryan has certainly shown signs that he can possibly do that. We've had Qbs WAY worse than him for years, honestly I'm content with giving him this season and the next to see what he can do and make the decision then.
     
  40. number21

    number21 Active Member

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    A. It's what the cowboys did. I look at this team as the cowboys of the afc. Build a good o-line and commit to run the ball with Miller this team is real different.
     

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