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I think if phins lose this week we will have new headcoach next year.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. pumpdogs

    pumpdogs Well-Known Member

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    This is really a playoff game for dolphins lose and they are 0-4 in the division with all 5 losses coming in the AFC.We will see how this team responds to him after first adversity with him as HC.
    Ross wants to make a splash and the only way I see him keeping him is if we make the playoffs.
     
  2. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    I don't think the actual win/loss record is going to be the only factor in deciding on Campbell. He was thrown into a tough situation, as all interim coaches are. I'm looking to see if he can be a leader of men, have these guys competing even in defeat as well as a better result than the projected record of Philbin.
     
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  3. Chuck Wilson

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    I think they need to make the playoffs as well for him to have a legitimate shot at keeping the position. If he were to lead us there, Ross' hands would be tied and there would be no way he could ignore that type of success.

    But Ross is a big name, splash type of fella. Always has, probably always will be. He's probably hoping to throw a bunch of money at Sean Payton (who I wouldn't mind having) I prefer the hungrier Hue Jackson looking at his second job as a head coach. Think he'd work wonders here.
     
  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I know it might be unpopular but I really think the Dolphins could use an experienced guy. Lazer is young. Campbell is young. Zach Taylor is young. Offensively I would go after someone with a little experience. Tannehill desperately needs guidance.
     
  5. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I doubt Payton leaves New Orleans, not sure why he would. Brees still has a few years left and that team despite a lack of talent around Brees is finding ways to win some games...which can attest the greatness of Brees more than it can to actual coaching. Payton and Brees are a package deal anyway in my opinion.
    Hue Jackson is the name i'm keeping an eye on as well. He got a raw deal in Oakland, and I think he's ready to prove he's for real.
    As for Campbell, I think it's way too early to call it quits on him. How is this game the ultimate measurement of whether or not we retain him next season? If we lose 23-20 on a Dan Carpenter field goal in overtime does that temper the thought of him NOT coming back? Exactly where is the bar set at? Wins and losses are most certainly the all seeing all knowing in the NFL, but how losses come (especially) seem to be ignored. With Philbin we were getting absolutely stomped into the ground every weekend (minus the Jacksonville game). Campbells first loss came to the loathsome (yet terrific) Patriots who drubbed us by almost 30 points. Now because of that his future comes in to question and we resume talk yet again of all these what ifs. What if we beat the Bills? Do we sing Campbells praises for a week and then follow it up with a loss to the Eagles only to have the talk of a new coach come up again? This is a very bi polar sport (especially amongst fans), and I really don't understand how you can evaluate things based on emotion. Sure...it's a week to week process but we still have to play the game on Sunday and anything can happen. I think we can go up to Buffalo and whip their ***, but that's just me.

    Let me just be clear, i'm not blaming my fellow Dolphin fans for their Bi Polar disorder. I blame the front office and the guys making decisions that have created this disorder for us. We have zero stability at any of the most important positions on this team. Quarterback being first and foremost. Tannehill like Campbell (despite being here four years) is STILL on a week to week basis. Other struggling teams like the Chargers, Colts, and Saints don't have that worry. They know their Quarterback is not the problem and that at the very least...That position is secure no matter how hard the sky falls.
     
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  6. Chuck Wilson

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    Ding, ding, ding.... I like Campbell and how he connects with the players. That's good, but truthfully I feel like after a while all that rah rah stuff goes out the window. I want someone with experience and a proven track records of handling a QB number one and playing to the strengths of his offense. To me those guys are Hue Jackson, Sean Payton and Mike Shanahan. I think they'd all do well her. Shanahan is intriguing to me because everywhere he goes his OL and running game seem to flourish. I think Miller and Ajayi would do well in his system. Sean Payton has an obvious track record and Hue Jackson is going to be the most sought out coordinator in the game for a head coaching vacancy IMO. Get it done, Ross.

    Obviously, I'm HOPING Campbell leads us to the playoffs and in that case you HAVE to bring him back. I don't think we are making the playoffs this year, hope I'm wrong. Bring someone who will get the best put of Ryan.
     
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  7. Rex Deus

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    Good post, and spot on about the rah-rah stuff. It may be that Campbell has more up his sleeve than that...I guess we will have to wait and see.

    Right now my shortlist would be Hue Jackson, Mike Shanahan and Dan Campbell.

    Whatever happens though, it needs to be done in a professional and considered way...and not lurching from embarrassing incident (ie Harbaugh pursuit) to embarrassing incident (ie shameful Philbin extension).
     
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  8. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    We will have a new head coach next year anyways.

    Campbell is presently only interim head coach. Even if he keeps the job next year he then becomes head coach. :tongue2:

    I think for Campbell to have really had a shot at keeping the job long term, he would have likely had to get us into the playoffs.

    Really though, who knows, nobody knows what Stephen Ross is capable of thinking, or doing.
     
  9. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Ross will brobably just flip a coin a few days after the season. Head, Dan stays, tail, someone new comes in.
     
  10. LBsFinest

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    We'll likely have a new coach regardless, I think Ross is letting Tannenbaum run the show this time, he already cost us Dan Quinn (and many others) so as hard headed as he is I think he'll finally take a step back.

    Tannenbaum is fortunate he found an owner that was willing to give him another shot at running a team, this will be his most important decision, could be the last hire he makes in Miami, highly doubt he blows it on a 5 year TE's coach.
     
  11. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    As much as we might like what Campbell has done i think your 100% correct here.

    This time around the Dolphins are setting the team up right to actually bring a Hot prospect in unlike the Harbaugh deal with a head coach still on the team.
     
  12. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Just get us a winner
     
  13. jw3102

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    Ross might want a big name, but his past two hirings for HC and GM were about as little name as you can get.

    The problem is that Ross always hires piece meal. He wants the HC to agree to work for the GM already in the organization or he wants the GM to agree to keep the existing HC.

    The Dolphins job is not the high profile job it once was and Ross has not had any success is in getting the better
    qualified head coaching candidates or GM's to have any interest in taking the job.

    Right now the Tennessee job, with Mariota as the teams QB will probably be a job the better candidates will take if it is a choice between the Dolphins or Titans.

    The Lions will also be looking for a new head coach and I am sure there will be a few more openings once the season is over.

    I hope Campbell turns out to be the answer for the Dolphins. Because if he isn't, I worry that the next HC will be another on the job training head coach, like the last two head coaches were.
     
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  14. Itsdahumidity

    Itsdahumidity X gonna take it from ya

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    Here's the thing. Unless ross brings in a successful "name" HC I don't see it going over well w/these players. No question they quit on coach queasy. Will they accept another newcomer HC who seems timid or disingenuous? Some may say you shouldn't let the inmates run the asylum but what are you going to do? Get rid of all of them?
     
  15. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    Its amazing isnt it? How could you only show up when the team loses
     
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  16. Miami_Dolfan

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    new players should be the priority.
     
  17. cbrad

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    Why is hiring piecemeal a problem? Most corporations don't fire all top management when hiring someone at/near the top. The good thing about hiring piecemeal is that you're acknowledging not everyone is a problem and you only need to replace certain members of the team.

    In practice, I think this will only be a problem if there is a very high profile HC out there who says he'll only come here if he can bring his own GM. Not sure how Ross would react, but let's remember that many HC's that were also GM's were not necessarily good GM's. And most HC's in the league (including successful ones like John Harbaugh) aren't also GM's. Here's a link so you can see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_National_Football_League_staffs
     
  18. Splattoreus

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    Yes. You get rid of all of them. They're being paid millions of dollars to play a game they love. If they quit on the coach, that represents a lack of character and desire. No championship team was ever made with quitters..
     
  19. vt_dolfan

    vt_dolfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    So not only did DeVante not practice today...he wasnt even there.
     
  20. roy_miami

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    I'm thinking Campbell needs to go 8-4 at worst to be handed the job outright. Remember, Campbell is still a part of the old tainted coaching staff, which means the team is going to quit on him faster than they would a brand new fresh face. For me he needs to show that he has the potential to be an elite coach, go 9-3 or 8-4, or we should move on.
     
  21. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    The thing is, I think Campbell can definitely be a good, if not great HC. He's just very young and raw at it right now, and I don't know how a quick a study you'd have to be to come in after 5 years as a position coach and handle all of the team running + game planning + game management functions.
     
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  22. djphinfan

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    Im willing to take my lumps while he learns on the job...you dont give up on a man of this character and ability to connect with players...I dont think I could ever be more angry at our franchise if this man doesnt get the gig..

    just like a young qb, im willing to go thru the struggles.
     
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  23. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    I want Payton or Shanahan.
    I think the Shanahans would do wonders for Tannehill.
     
  24. cbrad

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    He's gotta show he can do the X's and O's side also. He'll have enough opportunity to prove that by the end of this year (doesn't have to be a Belichick.. just not a Philbin).
     
  25. djphinfan

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    yeah I know, but x's and o's without the other stuff aint gettin you anywhere..I think he has acumen for the game.
     
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  26. djphinfan

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    If its me I start out with the intangibles first, could care less if their scheme matches my qbs skillset. is he a natural leader, can he connect with his players, does he have the passion to sustain his energy, can he solve problems, is he intuitive..so many things before the scheme stuff.
     
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  27. finsfandan

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    I believe Campbell will prove to us by the end of the season that he deserves to remain as head coach.

    I don't care that he was under Philbin. He's been around great coaches. He's shown what he can do in a short amount of time. We're finally gonna win in Buffalo with Tannehill on Sunday.


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  28. LBsFinest

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    yea it's worked out wonderful...
     
  29. LI phinfan

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    Old tainted coaching staff?!!! Is that you Roy? Same staff that was led by a man you defended forever? Now Campbell has 12 games to show he is elite or we move on? Gotcha.


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  30. PSG

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    I hear ya man.
    I'm just saying, all things being equal I think the Shanahan match up well with Tannehill. Now, if you don't like Shanahan as a coach, we can have that discussion too...
     
  31. dolphin25

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    I just don't get why you think Shanahan is any kind of answer. Didn't he get RG3 killed?
     
  32. Ohio Fanatic

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    This is not a must win for Campbell. If we lose (which I'm betting we do) but then win 6 out of the last 8, that makes it a very difficult decision for Ross and Mike T.

    having said that, if he pulls out the win, then it certainly boosts his case.
     
  33. pumpdogs

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    I disagree.Campbell loses another division game then its no different than philbin losing another division game.These have been the games keeping us out of the playoffs for the last 3 years.
    Dan show us your different beat the bills!
     
  34. Conuficus

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    Well away from here
    Have you ever taken the time to read up on the history of the Oakland Raiders? Just asking cause you'd be surprised I'd imagine.
     
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  35. Kud_II

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    Not true. Every game from here on out depends not only on the production but the tenacity and competitiveness of the team. Hypothetically if we lose say 20-17 but we played hard that doesn't automatically mean Campbell is on the hot seat.

    It's also not easy to win at the Bills house. Lets not kid ourselves they typically have a better home field advantage than we do(12th man)
     
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  36. Califin

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    I think many are overestimating the ability of Ross to keep his nose out of things. Seems to me regardless of the playoffs, if the Campbell's Canned Soup frenzy stirs up again at seasons end, he'll all but Al Davis Tannenbaum if he even reaches for the salt of a more seasoned option. Ross is a crowd pleaser first, and himself a pioneer by inexperience second.
    Mr. Campbell's Chunky otoh, still has to regroup and hold the spoon upright with consistency after a deflating loss in Foxboro. Will this team be mentally prepared to execute like they were through two weeks prior, or has Belicheat succeeded in watering down the broth to a bland chicken noodle, for the rest of the season?
     
  37. adamprez2003

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    i read somewhere recently where the front offfice and ross want campbell to be the guy but they need him to prove he belongs. i think i agree with IdrA in that competiveness should be the criteria. I just dont think we have the physical talent to demand victories
     
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  38. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

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    You guys hit the nail on the head. Campbell doesn't have to get us a winning season or even 8-8. Just be competitive. How much can really be expected out of an interim head coach? No training camp, no time to go over playbooks, it'd be amazing for us to get to a winning season considering the ugly start.


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