Ryan Tannehill’s struggles in divisional road games mirror those of Miami Dolphins

I don't think it's obvious that Geno Smith or Mark Sanchez were better than Tannehill. Nor do I think it's obvious that Tyrod Taylor is better than Tannehill.

 

I was speaking of Luck and Matt Ryan.


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Ah, my bad.

Although, Matt Ryan had some pretty awesome weapons at his disposal. Not totally sold on the idea that he would look drastically different on this team.

 

He needs to play better against our division opponents. Im waiting for Ryan to tell the team ...make sure your cleats are tight..Im moving us up and down this mother****in field.

 

We are winning at Buffalo


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Ryan's outloook on the game coukd use some evaluation. His recent comment of "taking whats there" screams game manager.

F--- that, you got a 100M contract, go out and MAKE A PLAY for your team!

Thats the line of thinking that will never be great. Wish Inwoukd not have read that.


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Its not a possibility that Rodgers just had a bad game?

"Hey, we all know Rodgers is good for 300 each and every game so if he doesn't get 300 one game then the only logical explanation is he has a terrible o-line..."

 

Tannehill against AFC East this year:

Ryan Tannehill vs Jets: 19-44, 198 yards, 2 TD, 2 int = 53.0 QB rating
Rest of league vs. Jets: 135-231, 1405 yards, 10 TD, 6 int = 79.7 QB rating

Ryan Tannehill vs. Bills: 26-49, 297 yards, 2 TD, 3 int = 59.7 QB rating
Rest of league vs. Bills: 140-237, 1491 yards, 13 TD, 5 int = 87.0 QB rating

Ryan Tannehill vs. Pats: 28-44, 300 yards, 0 TD, 2 int = 64.6 QB rating
Rest of league vs. Pats: 144-229, 1445 yards, 11 TD, 6 int = 87.7 QB rating

 

he doesnt have a terrible oline. the oline had a bad game causing rodgers to have a bad game. when you're oline has a bad game the qb has a bad ggame other than this alternate universe you guys have invented

 

tannehill is way better than luck this year. luck is arguably the worst qb in the league. he's having a nervous breakdown or something in indy. if he doesnt snap out of it he'll go the way of marinovich and leaf

 

What if Rodgers was the one that had the bad game and the o-line was their normal selves, just for arguments sake how would things look differently in that scenario?

 

lets stick to reality. they played the best defense in the league. the best defense in the league tore them a new ******* and rodgers looked like **** because of it

 

Wait those stats can't possibly be true. Those defenses have shut everyone down this year. They are truly juggernaut defenses like that of the Seahawks. I don't blame Tannehill for playing so horrible against those teams. Because its the offensive line, RBs, WRs, coaches, and the fans fault. It's my fault too. Also Tannehills mother didn't feed him enough as a child. It's her fault too. Tannehill needs more support. He is a HOF franchise QB. His struggles have absolutely nothing to do with his play. Anytime a QB has a bad game it just means they had bad blocking that game.

 

lets give rex ryan and bilicheat some credit here, and doug marone to some extent.. they have out coached the dolphins in every aspect of the game...

not defending RT17 here but philbin takes those losses more so than the players...

you have to coach players... not many coaches win relying on the talent and the players will to win, sure it helps and will get you a few wins but coaches shine in big games...

 

Exactly, you take away Tannehill's short passing game and he is finished. He isn't going to beat anyone throwing the ball beyond 15 yards on a consistent basis.

To be an effective QB, Tannehill needs great OL play and a strong running game. This allows him to dink and dunk his short passes throughout the game. He is the ultimate game manager type QB and is certainly not the type of QB who can make the plays to lead his team to victory in crunch time.

Tannehill is Miam's Alex Smith.

 

There is no middle ground with you guys. So, because Tannehill doesn't play well with a garbage line, that means he has to have "great OL play," or he needs "All-Pros" at every OL position?

Ridiculous.

 

Wha?? Dude you're overreacting with that comment, just a little bit my brutha. SMH

 

Luck is injured, we have heard ALL of the excuses for Tannehill.

 

Tannehill was Ireland's last gasp at saving his job. Tannehill was an over-drafted wide receiver turned QB who is over-paid. I have nothing personal against Tannehill, but I don't believe he will be any more than average and that is what the team will be also, average.

 

Tannehill fell into Ireland's lap, just like OV, Jelani, and Reshad, 3 players we will likely build our entire defense around. Everybody's personal opinions of Tannehill are meaningless, all that matters is that he continues to progress like he has been since his rookie year and the organization continues to build around him. "Franchise" QB or not, he ain't going anywhere for a long a** time so deal with it. Teams like the Eagles would probably trade their entire draft class for a guy like Tannehill and a lot of Dolfans act like he's chop liver lmao. So many uneducated folks must really not understand the current QB market right now, it's ugly.

 

Not really. I'm only talking about this year. He isn't close to the QB he was and he's throwing more wtf interceptions than anyone in the league. He lost all his confidence. Personally I think he'll snap out of it but if he doesn't we'll see one of the greatest meltdowns ever

 

I've said this before and I'll say it again. Tannehill is a very good athlete who happens to play QB. The NFL has had many good athletes play QB in the past and some of them have been successful (Vick, Newton, Tarkenton, Flutie, Cunningham to name a few). Can Tannehill be good enough to get us to the dance, sure. But the stars have to align for it to happen. Personally, I'd rather have a good QB then a good athlete, but we have to play with the cards we're dealt.

All this bickering back and forth about him is futile. Some believe it's mostly his fault, others believe it's mostly everyone elses fault. It's probably right in the middle.

We have had two HOF QBs in our franchise and a third on his way.
#12 - Bob Griese...many said he was a Athletic QB and one of the best of his time.
#13 - Dan Marino...a great pocket passer and for sure (biased) the best of his time.
#14 - To be determined...It's quite obvious to me the next best QB for this team will wear #14. It's sequential.

 

Because of Tannehills struggles against divisional teams and even more so the Bills I doubt we win this game. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there is another blow out loss with the offense only scoring 7 points.

 

So, just to be clear, the theory is that ONLY Tannehill struggles against divisional opponents?

 

Really? That would be a sweet trade. An entire draft class and free up a lot of cap space too.

 

You can't blame all his struggles against everyone else. Well if x, y, and z happened for Tannehill then he would do better. Enough with the excuses. Not only does he have a bad record against them but he has played horrible. Can't play much worse. It would be one thing to have that record and him playing well or even average. But look at his TD INT ratio and tell me that isn't one reason why this team is only scoring 8 points per game in these divisional games. The offense is so anemic and he is one reason why. Make your reads quicker and get the ball down field. Make plays for your team. That all we are asking for. Like others have stated our divisional opponents know the team and Tannehill more than anyone else does. Do you not notice a common theme in these games? They stack the box and defend everything short. They are forcing Miami to beat them with Tannehill throwing down the field. Take away the run game and defend everything short and you win.

 

So all the qb's having a better year than Tanny are better Qbs?

Carefull.


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No, but neither does it show that every single interception he's thrown is directly attributable to him either.

Actually what it does show, clearly is that there is a bias and that "bits" will be overlooked provided there is an opportunity to support your own conclusion. If you're going to discuss it, discuss all of it, not just what you'd like to.

It also clearly shows that the team has a 2-7 record in those games.

 

Well...since our offensive line also plays like **** in these games, and the defense has played like **** in these games, and special teams has played like **** in these games, Im gonna go out on a limb and say they ALL need to step up their game, Tannehill included.

You all can cry in your cereal all you want...at some point hes gonna have a decent line in front of him, and guess what...you'll have to make one of two choices.

Accept who we have at QB, or find another team to root for. Because he will have played well enough that he is gonna get a contract extension. All you need to do is look at the fact he has a 75% winning percentage, has thrown for 36 Tds and only 11 Ints, when he throws the ball 34 or less times in a game. We have a coach who wants to get back to a running team, two TE set, so I dunno..you tell me...do the math...hows that gonna look for Tannehill?

So..enjoy your fun for now.

Cheers.

 

Your definition of better and mine are worlds apart. I adjust for the talent surrounding a QB and even the defense he plays with since that will determine the amount of points the offense will have to produce

 

Really wish you would comment more. I know its a waste of time here but you always bring good perspective

 

Anyone know what our oline will look like this sunday

 

That's great and I'm sure every team would love to live in that world too. However, you're not going to get that production from your running game every time.

That's a great formula and it's clear it works, but what happens when it doesn't? That's when you need your QB to just make plays. Hell, Geno does it against us? Tannehill can't do it ONE TIME on the road.

I mean again, just asking for it this weekend. Step up, take the reigns, and will your team to victory - whether you get shaky OL play at times, the running game isn't working, etc. For me the only problem that Tannehill can do nothing about is when our receivers drop balls, run the wrong routes or can't create any separation. Nothing you can do there.

I want some more scrambles. I want to see more throwing his receivers open and I want to see him take control of the offense.

If we win with a running game and great defense, then great. I want a win any way we can get it. However, that won't do anything to make me think Tannehill is the guy.

 

I've asked a pro analyst, via another medium, and he has RT at fault for 1 of the 2 INTs at NE (bad decision). Another guy I'd asked a few weeks before said 0 of the 2 in the Tenn game were his fault. They're not biased guys either...these guys are paid NFL analysts.

Additionally, one graded RT at a C+ for the Cheaters game.

 

Thats an indictment of the oline because the oline cant hold blocks long enough for deep passes to develop

 

It's going to be garbage, haha.
Albert, Thomas, Pouncey, Turner, Fox is what it looks to be. If Fox struggles, then we could see Thomas shift to RT.

It's not going to be fun. There are going to be some blown assignments. There are going to be some pressures.
We need a gameplan designed to get the ball out quick - screen passes would be great.
We need to use our RBs more in the passing game.
Ryan is just going to have to make some plays with his legs - scramble for 1st downs, move around and create big plays.

I think we can run on the Bills. I think their run defense is a little overrated (along with their entire defense, really). A running game would help, but if it doesn't, we can still score points, move the ball, etc - even with our OL giving up some pressures/sacks here and there.

 

Matt Ryan before the his draft had one of the most profound statements about that. He said "Behind every interception there is a story. The problem is noone wants to hear it"

 

But theres a distinct difference in....every time hes asked to throw the ball more then 35 times and our line absolutely cannot protect him, and hes being asked to throw the ball more then 35 times, and we have JUST AN AVERAGE amount of protection in front of Ryan. And when you have an offense that is knows for being balance...i.e...running with at least 20 or more attempts, even if you arent getting the yardage, teams still have to play the run, which opens up the play action pass.

Thats the biggest point so many people are missing. When you have as weak a line in pass protection, you need to do other things to allow your QB time. Staying with the run, even if you arent getting a ton of yards...commits a team to stopping the run. They cant just t off and pass rush.

 

Sooooooooooo you are saying Tannehill can't win a game on his own???? That is what we have been saying all along.

 

Youre right, my evaluation doesnt stop there.


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