1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Most teams in the NFL have crappy Olines.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by yoge, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    How did you figure? Weeks 6-17 last season were just as good for Tannehill. Unless you're going purely off rating.
     
  2. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

    1,407
    874
    113
    May 11, 2014

    i think they are going to say wins on this one... but then you show that tannehill has better stats then a guy that is 8-1 and they'll say wins don't matter. so GG.
     
    Fin D likes this.
  3. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    45,652
    19,304
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    Some of Lucks picks this year have been downright bad reads too. Injury, OL etc, that's really not what's going on with alot of those. Something was off there. I'm talking prior to the injuries too.

    See above.. he wasn't playing well, even prior to this injury talk.

    And no, I'm not about to compare him to Tannehill. Not going there.
     
    resnor likes this.
  4. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    I don't have an agenda... Lol... I'm pretty fair, I use statistics and I don't make anything up.

    Luck has been hurt. That's not an "excuse" Tannehill has. It's true for one guy, it's not true for the other.

    Stop with the personal attacks, please.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  5. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    There was no personal attack in there, man.
     
  6. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    He accused me of having an agenda. That implies that I stick to an argument regardless of the facts. That's saying I'm not honest and that's personal.

    It doesn't apply to me.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    djphinfan likes this.
  7. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    We don't know when he was injured. The reports were that he was already playing with a shoulder injury and cracked ribs. They took him out two games but is it really that big of a stretch to think he's been injured before then? There's a basis for it.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  8. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    I guess, if you want to extrapolate that out of it, go ahead. But he didn't say that. One can have an agenda, and not be lying.
     
  9. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    You can not lie and still be dishonest. If you have an agenda, you've got a one track mind. I'm not here to attack Tannehill or give him less "excuses" like an injured shoulder and ribs.

    I don't bring him up in non related threads. This is about OLs and how it relates to offensive production, including QBs. This isn't the Watkins vs Grimes thread.

    I don't blame everything on him like the last safety in Buffalo. I don't say the ESPN QBR stat is a fair way to judge Tannehill.

    I've made fair comparisons. Not to Brady, not to Rodgers, but to other QBs with similarly ranked OLs.

    I don't have a freaking agenda. And it's stupid to lump people in together when we're somewhat critical of our QB. Either single out something I said that's wrong or don't make generalizations.

    This isn't directed at you, just a message to people who do this.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    resnor likes this.
  10. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Back to the original topic.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  11. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    Yeah, sorry, dude. I've just seen real insults hurled took often, didn't mean to sidetrack this. Lol
     
  12. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    30,224
    36,965
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    Jersey
    [​IMG]

    Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say our offensive line has been awful. This isn't a fallacy or an excuse. It's a fact.
     
  13. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    39,159
    21,798
    113
    Nov 29, 2007
    San Diego
    He has two games over 100 rating in his first two games. 5 out of 8 games with a rating above 95. For a 2nd year player that's impressive. Dismantling the Jets was impressive.

    8 games don't make you great. But he's playing well. He will have to sustain it but if Tanny played that well in year 4 we'd be ecstatic.
     
  14. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

    16,329
    9,874
    113
    Nov 25, 2007
    New Hampshire
    Yeah, behind a pretty good line, no?

    We know Tanny puts up good numbers when his line plays well, also.

    Carr was nothing special last year. Let's hold off a bit on the crowning of him, shall we?
     
    Fin D likes this.
  15. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

    767
    386
    63
    Oct 12, 2012
    You nailed it! I'm from OK so I seen a lot of Thill in college. He still has the same issues he had then. That A&M team was loaded. They blew a lot of leads that year. I wasnt all to happy Miami took him in the draft but I don't blame them for trying. He's actually been a better pro QB than I expected.
     
    AdamC13 and Finster like this.
  16. Conuficus

    Conuficus Premium Member Luxury Box

    18,044
    19,678
    113
    Dec 8, 2007
    Well away from here
    Here's the point of his post (marked with an X)

    X



























    Here's where your post is in relation to his point.

    X
     
    Fin D, resnor and Rocky Raccoon like this.
  17. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

    2,553
    1,793
    113
    Mar 14, 2015
    This stat doesn't differentiate between the times Tannehill could have avoided them if he had more refined pocket mechanics.

    Again, it's a symbiotic issue. The O-line hasn't been consistent (terrible in spots) and Tanny's pocket awareness continues to be an uphill battle.
     
    Finster likes this.
  18. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Never said it was a fallacy. I've never said our OL is good. I've said other QBs have done better with similar or worse OLs if you look at run block and pass block ratings.

    That being said, we could just run the ball more, use play action after establishing it, test defenses with more deep balls, get more designed QB runs and quite frankly, Tannehill needs to scramble more and develop better pocket presence. All those things would help.

    I'm gonna go ahead and say Luck's OL NOW is worse than ours. When you've got a HOF like Marshall Faulk making a prediction that the Broncos were gonna break the single game record for sacks against the Colts, that's a sign that the Colts OL is pretty damn bad, worse than ours.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  19. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    30,224
    36,965
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    Jersey
    Of course there have been times where Tannehill is at fault, but that number is staggering and a majority falls on the line.

    I mean, our pass blocking has been ranked near the very bottom every single year.
     
    resnor likes this.
  20. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Yeah, we should slow down. A lot has changed for that team (HC, WRs, idk what else), not just the OL, but they're playing a huge part in his success this year.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
    resnor likes this.
  21. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    30,224
    36,965
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    Jersey
    Just to be clear, I wasn't addressing you in my post. I was speaking generally.
     
    resnor likes this.
  22. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Oh okay, sorry lol. It's just that I used the term "excuse" when another poster accused me of having an agenda when I mentioned that Andrew Luck was playing injured and that his OL is worse than ours.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  23. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Sorry, I didn't notice your response until now.

    Anybody care to analyze the game?

    I personally believe that Luck was finally starting to feel healthy enough to play in a not so limited fashion. I think we saw that during the Panthers game when he got better and better as the game went along. He wasn't miraculously healing or anything, maybe he just "walked it off."

    He didn't start to play well until he had a couple of games off and played more, so pairing that with the reports of his injuries, that's how I came to that conclusion.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  24. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

    3,087
    2,038
    113
    Jul 27, 2013
    Well what are you using to determine that? Your opinion? Yes, I am going off rating, that is what I responded to, and Tanne was 13-6 in TD/INT compared to 19-4 for Carr.

    Tanne had a 94 passer rating compared to Carr's 104.
     
  25. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

    3,087
    2,038
    113
    Jul 27, 2013
    lol
     
  26. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    111,652
    67,546
    113
    Dec 20, 2007
    telling folks the have an agenda is..
     
  27. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    37,392
    14,745
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    Ok and how many games has luck won this year. You said qbs have done better. Also analyze the five linemen vs ours. Quoting Marshall Faulk is not analysis. I don't think their online is worse than ours. Similar maybe but you cant get worse
     
  28. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    I've already gone over Luck... He's been injured, do you get it? Shoulder, cracked ribs, now a torn abdominal muscle and a lacerated kidney. It's not a stretch to believe his poor play was always attributed to injuries. What else would describe the night and day play from several seasons to now? He just forgot how to play?

    I've already posted about run block and pass pro ratings for OLs and the QBs that've faired better with similar or worse OLs. Go through my replies if you're interested, I'm not doing all that work again because you either didn't see it when I posted it or didn't care to read it.

    Edit: you know better than Marshall Faulk? Look up the current ratings if you don't believe me.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  29. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    37,392
    14,745
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    Injuries have to be used in evaluating player. A player who avoids injuries or is able to play through them competently is more valuable than a player who misses games. Why do you think we got Jordan Cameron? You think they would have let him go if he wasn't an injry risk. One area tannehill is better is he is tougher than luck
     
  30. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Sure, but he's never been injury prone until now. Are you seriously evaluating his play with a bad throwing shoulder, cracked ribs, abdominal tear and lacerated kidney? Listen to yourself right now.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  31. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    37,392
    14,745
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    You didn't post any worse olines
     
  32. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    Look through my replies. It's there. I'm not your personal assistant.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  33. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

    37,392
    14,745
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    new york ciity
    He played like crap this yr other than the last 6 qtrs. Facts at facts
     
  34. finsfandan

    finsfandan Well-Known Member

    2,547
    600
    113
    Dec 14, 2014
    So tell me, when exactly was he injured? You do realize the reports were that he was already playing injured, right?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
  35. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

    1,385
    560
    113
    Oct 11, 2013
    I bet you if you did a study you would find that about 25ish fanbases wished they just had an average o-line...
     
  36. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

    72,252
    43,684
    113
    Nov 27, 2007
    And?
     
  37. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

    1,385
    560
    113
    Oct 11, 2013
    The vast majority of fanbases wished they had an average o-line but what they don't realize is thats exactly what they have. When it comes to the o-line people don't seem to know what the word average means. So you tell me, which team has this average o-line that would make you all happy?
     
    jdang307 likes this.
  38. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

    1,407
    874
    113
    May 11, 2014

    the reports say he is injured. HOWEVER, his COACHES say those reports are false. I'm going to believe his coaches over a reporter trying to make a buck.
    (this does not include the obvious time of when he missed games)
     
  39. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

    1,385
    560
    113
    Oct 11, 2013
    If they come clean and say he was in fact injured they could cost the team draft picks. If they lied about the injury report before they aren't about to start telling the truth now.
     
  40. muskrat21

    muskrat21 Well-Known Member

    1,407
    874
    113
    May 11, 2014
    lol so you are basing his injuries on conspiracy theories.... did the government cause 9-11 too?
     

Share This Page