Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

he blames tanny for wallace being released. He will never let go

 

Your perception of "my message" is so far from the actual truth that its pathetic.

 

kinda like that thing that people who say tannehill is absolute trash do when unproven qb's have good games... i wonder where i picked that up from.

 

so you come on a dolphins site and bash dolphins players and you want to be protected...awwwww

 

You NY'rs sure are clever.

 

Yet you want to marginalize the massively talented team around him, in an effort to try to discredit Tannehill.

 

If your message keeps being perceived by others in the opposite way than you meant it, you probably should look at your message.

No one on this site thinks that I hate Tannehill.

Strange.

 

Protected...thats a hoot.

My college football team is too good for some to handle, their distain shows thru.

 

As the Finhea...err...I mean...ThePhins Turns.

 

I haven't said anything about Dalton in regards to Tannehill.

Where are you getting this nonsense? LOL .....

 

"Disdain."

The word is "disdain."

 

Generic "you." Generically referring to posters on your side of the fence.

I suppose it is unfair for me to lump you all together.

Would you trade Tannehill for Dalton?

 

It is your guys lack of ability to comprehend things that clouds these threads..."He said Ryan had a bad day, man he blames it all on Ryan" "He doesn't defend Tannehill" "He said Ryan is average and laughed at me because I compared him to Tom Brady"

All humorous replies that are fueled by lack of perception.

I'm critical, I don't make excuses and to you guys that makes me a "hater", so no....the fact you guys can't take an honest evaluation from a fellow Dolphins fan without twisting the hell out of what is being said?? Tells me all I need to know about how unrealistic some are.

 

Grats, you correct grammar on a message board.....Im jealous of the life you must lead.

 

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

No really, its time you told the truth.

 

Wrong again.

I've said numerous times I have no problem with honest evaluation.

I have a problem with dishonest evaluation, and I have a problem with the conclusions some have come to.

Dishonest being, for example, refusing to consider the effect that oline and OC have on the QB.

 

There is minimal difference between the two overall imo. What Dalton is today is the blueprint Ryan must lead if he ever makes the jump from avg to good.

 

Well, your last line does not apply to me...and the evidence is in the posts. So I guess you do not have a problem with my evaluation........


Thanks.

 

You guys have a problem when I tell the truth, history shows that.

 

You've never accused me of "making excuses" by bringing up the oline issues? Receiver issues? Coaching issues?

Must have been that guy Fin-Omenal. Haven't seen him in awhile.

 

so have 2 great RB's and a top 15 defense? and an elite WR and TE?

 

The only way you'd know that is if you had a crystal ball or could tell the future.

 

and the best offensive line the nfl

 

LOL, if we were blessed with many reasonable readers in this thread they would be laughing right now because you just proved my point. Your narrow mindset on this matter is that either you must blame everyone else before the qb even when proven wrong (shot down your defense gives up 30points consistently BULLSH-T) or you must blame Ryan for everything (which nobody does outside of a few flawed perceptions)

It is your lack of comprehension is whats making this so comical....its all black and white for you and no grey, and that will draw some funny looks.

 

No, Dalton has always had that...he just this season snapped out of that bad habit of being painfully average. Hoping Ryan follows suit.

 

I get a lot of laughs here, sometimes I wonder if Ricky Gervais isn't writing for some of the posters in the style of The Office.

 

The more than 30+ points goes to last season, where we gave up 30+ like 6 times, and more than 25 like 10 times, or something stupid like that. You disproved nothing, other than being narrow-minded, which you just accused me of. Yes, I will blame the oline, receivers, coaches, and defense first, IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY WORSE than the QB. And the oline always is. Sometimes the receivers are/were. Sometimes the defense is/was. Sometimes the coaching is/was.

So, you again just blasted me, for something that you claimed you never derided me for.

By the way, we're 4-2 this season when the defense holds teams to under 30. Six of the eight wins last year were in games where we held teams to under 30.

 

Here's the gist of your "old" and "new" stances...

Old Stance:
Tannehill is not very good. I "root" (even though you blast him every chance you got) for him to stop being not very good.

New Stance:
Tannehill is not very good. I know he'll never stop being not very good.

That's it. There's no more layers or nuance to it.

 

The conclusions you arrive at are out of left field....not that this is news to anyone, nor are you going to ever admit it. soooooooooooooooooo....

good night.

 

Honestly, no more bs, how is that different from what you've said?

Just stop the bickering, be real for a single second and explain how that's different.

 

What I don't get is why people get so defensive any time Ryan Tannehill is criticized? Or if you point out his flaws you're a "tannehill hater."

At the end of the day we are all fans of the Miami Dolphins and want the team to win. I cheer Ryan Tannehill on every Sunday but I don't believe the guy is the long term solution for us at QB. He is good enough to hold the fort down until somebody special comes along, but I don't understand what Ryan has shown to get people's unwavering support, it's bizarre to me.

The guy has had four years to prove he is the answer. The fact that there are still questions regarding whether or not he is the answer at QB is concerning to me. At this point, if he is the answer there shouldn't be much doubt to that question. Ryan's flashes of brilliance are too few and far between in my opinion. His instincts are poor. For instance, with his athleticism there is no reason he shouldn't keep the chains moving by running for first downs a few times through out the game. He has ZERO yards rushing the last three games. That's alarming to me, considering there are QBs with terrible athleticism out there who pick of yards running when the defense turns it's back to them. That's about instincts and he's lacking in that department big time.

I'm not going to dig up stats but from just watching the games he does look very improved in his deep passing. There are aspects of his game that I like and there are aspects of his game that I think are awful.

People don't need to get defensive when Ryan Tannehill is critiqued. For me, I've seen enough of the guy to make my decision on what I think he is as an NFL starting QB: average.

I would bring in legitimate competition for the starting job next year because nothing that I've seen from Ryan warrants him being handed the starting job automatically. If I'm a "Tannehill hater" for that, so be it. I prefer to ca it being realistic.

 

The thing is, this isn't going to happen. Realistically it can't. For one, Ryans cap hit next season is huge, we can't feasibly pay a qb in FA to come "compete" for tannehills job.

And with the holes we have on defense and oline, I would frankly be furious if anything higher than a 6th rounder was spent on a qb. (Even then...we need better backup OL more than backup qb)

It'd be a lot easier if people just accepted that Tannehill isnt going anywhere nor is he in danger for at least 2 more seasons.

 

The decision on Tanne will come at the end of next year when the Fins can opt out of his contract, his entire 2017 salary which is around 20 mil, is fully guaranteed on the 5th league day of 2017, and if he's still showing no signs of getting better in crunch time this year, it would be smart to spend a high pick on a QB IF there is a QB worth picking, and there may be a new sheriff in town that wants to go in a different direction.

Next year may very well be Tanne's last year in a Fin uni, and as of right now, he will be gone, unless as I said, he gets better in crucial situations, this is the exact reason why his contract was structured as it is.

 

Tannenbaum is the new sheriff in town. One of his first moves was to extend Tannehill. Whoever he brings in as coach will be brought in knowing tannehills his guy.

Tannenbaum will not bring in any *real* competition for tannehill. Doing so would mean sacrificing a resource ($$$ or picks) that are sorely needed to improve this team. He stuck by Sanchez for years, and tannehills shown a lot more than him.

The plan, like it or not, is to build this team around Ryan Tannehill and Ndamukong Suh. That could not have been more clear and it won't change.

 

I'm tired of this.

No one is blasting people just because they criticize Tannehill.

The arguments start over things that aren't true:

- Tannehill can't complete a deep ball.
- W/L record is a QB stat.

You avoid those two lies, you won't have a problem. Talk about his leadership issues, talk about his pocket awareness issues, talk about his touch issues, talk about his lack of outward emotions. etc. and you won't get the pushback.

But if anyone continues the stupid BS narratives from above, they will be challenged. Pretty simple.

 

Haha, well thank you Adam, you've really opened my eyes.

Okay, I was a bit snarky, I admit, lol.

 

For the record, I was talking about when good QBs go down and their teams subsequently look lost. You'll notice there was a post just prior to mine on that topic.

I admire your being optimistic about Tannehill. I root for the same team and the same QB as you do. I just ask you remember that this isn't a conversation about wins and losses as much as its one about how well the QB does his job. Many of us don't see the "magic" there with Tannehill. Maybe I don't know anything about football, you could be right, but I'm not the only person to point out that Tannehill doesn't look like a natural QB.

In any case, the "Tannehill is mediocre" club (which I'm applying for membership in as we speak) is actually one founded on the idea that he will have had enough time by the end of next year to show his true colors regardless of outside circumstance. By and large, I don't think you can hide good QB instincts for that long.

 

You could be right. Tannenbaum has made dumb decisions before. In fact, I should point out that most of the praise for the Tannehill contract was in regards to getting him at a cheap rate, rather than in regards to his being a great player.

Still, I think losing teams have all options available. Miami is currently one of the worst teams against the blitz. Will that continue? Is that a reflection of an incapable QB? In any case, if Miami doesn't get better, I'd like to believe they'll make a fair evaluation of everyone. Afterall, the team is not tied to Tannehill after 2017, which seems like a nice time to self-reflection and possibly redirect.