Pass-happy Dolphins have thrived most when they run

You clearly lack the ability to accurately comprehend his argument. Because what you wrote right here, is absolutely not what he's argued.

 

You really need to stop jumping in when you have no frame of reference.

Yes, its not what he's saying NOW. It is what he's said in the past. Which is my point.

Do try to keep up, Sport.

 

I don't even know what he said, but there is about a 95% chance you just didn't comprehend it right.

It's history.

 

Says this guy ^....

or this guy:

 

That was a sincere PM...sometimes I fear for your health you get too worked up.


And Unkie FinO DOES love you.

 

Here's another lesson in logic that you'll confuse yourself over and just end up accusing me of making up your position....

If the PM was sincere, then all your crap posts about me are technically baiting, which makes you a troll.
If the PM wasn't sincere, then sending that is technically baiting, which makes you a troll.

Take this as a learning moment...and stop trolling. You're not a complete idiot about the game and you could actually help the site instead of trolling it.

 

why do you keep using tom brady. You're going to compare tannehill in his 4th year to the best qbs in the league. He's not marino. We got to a super bowl with don strock and david woodley and bob griese. We dont need another marino. no one is comparing tannehill to brady. you need to lower your expectations if you're waiting for the next hall of famer to be QBing the Dolphins. I'll be happy with a trip to the playoffs in the next two years

and what year did brady not play on a good team. i mean i am hard pressed to think of just one year where his team was worse than our current roster. has he ever played on a 25th ranked defensive team with a 25th ranked offensive line?

 

i spoke too soon lol

 

Well, keep in mind we use the pass to set up the run, not the other way around.

Run more often, runs become less effective.

 

AP I know you're a smart guy, from our pofo days , I put up Alex Smith and Tom Brady up as opposite ends of a spectrum. Good QBs and how much extra help they need. Did you completely miss the Alex Smith/Jamaal Charles spectrum? Smith is a good but limited QB that needs a lot of help. On the other end you'd have Brady. Those are the ends of spectrums, with starting QBs that are keepers.

2013 they had the 27th ranked total defense. Gronk was out most of the year. His WR were Edelman, Dobson and Kenbrell Tomkins. Edelman we all think is great now, but he got 1,000 yards based on volume without Gronk there. In fact they let him taste free agency, twice.

In 2011 they made the superbowl while allowing the 5th most yardage in NFL history. People quickly forget how derided the Patriots defenses were back then. His receiving corps was ridiculous in 2013 it sucked whenever Gronk was not in.

Was it as bad as our roster? Hard to say. But they were a game from the SB. It was not an impressive team they fielded in 2013, and then the slow start (slow being 2-2) in 2014 led to people talking about benching Brady for Garappolo. That talk doesn't happen if they thought the team was stacked. It wasn't.

 

This is one of the most misleading statistics in all of football. When teams are winning they run more to protect the clock. When they are losing they are forced to pass more. So naturally on almost any given team in the NFL you are going to find a high correlation between winning percentage and rushing attempts. Even on "pass happy" teams.

It's the same ridiculous statement and statistic used when some dummy color commentator will say, "Team XYZ is 10-0 when Running Back X has 20 + carries." Giving that RB 20 + carries isn't going to magically win the game. The stats say what they say because the team was in a great position to win the game which resulted in that player getting more carries.

Winning (playing with a lead) is causation for more carries. More carries is not, by itself, necessarily causation for winning.

You can certainly take Lazor to task for not running more before games get out of hand, or for abandoning the run too early. But one should not use flawed statistics like this as the basis for their argument.

 

I never said it in the past, which is while you've failed to produce any evidence of it.

He could, but chooses not to .........

 

I'm not buying that at all. I hope we continue to become even more run heavy into the end of the year. That's where our success really is.

 

I don't need to prove that water is wet.

You've been one of the biggest proponents of W/L record being a QB stat. This is fact.

Why you're denying it now, says more about you then me.

 

Great post!

 

I'm not clear here are you saying the year they went to the AFC championship the patriots were a bad team and went solely because of tom Brady. I asked can you name a year where the oline was 25th and the defense was 25th. Defenses are graded by points general not yards. Is there a year where Brady played where the ol was 25th or worse and the defense gave up the 25th most points or worse. Simple question. I just don't remember him ever being on a team as bad as ours. Honestly I find the stTement was the patriots roster as bad as ours...hard to say disingenuous.

And I don't know why Brady, Rodgers are ever mentioned in a tannehill thread. Noto e person is saying tannehill is as good or should be as good as those two

 

Ok fine, the team that at best deserves an asterisks because of all the cheating they've been caught doing and have been accused of doing is the only one.

Now, how do you think that proves your point and not adam's?

 

Just shut the f- up already. You're too lazy to go quote the BS claims of yours. If I'm so vocal about it, they would be the easiest comments to find.

 

I don't need to quote anything. I'm not here to jump through hoops for you.

You know what you've said. I know what you've said. Everyone else knows what you've said.

More than once you've used win/loss record and lack of playoffs to defend your stance that Tannehill is not very good.

 

2011 2nd best offensive line in the NFL
2013 best offensive line in the NFL

Should I even bother to look where the defense ranked in points given up

2011 15th best defense scoring
2013 10th best defense scoring

so in 2011 brady had the 2nd best offensive line to work behind and the 15th best defense. how he must have suffered
not to be outdone in 2013 he had the best offensive line in the nfl and the 10th best defense in the nfl.

yeah, brady, wow

 

Tell me again how its hard to say who had the worst roster lol

 

Typical.

 

I never touched oline because no matter who they line up, with a lot or little resources they use, their oline performs. Because, well BB is the best coach in the league by a country mile. BB would take our oline and get better performance out of it. We got 3 first rounders on there. It'd be the best oline in the league. Is our oline this year, individual talent wise, worse than theirs? Go check their roster? As BB if he'd like Branden Albert, Jawuan James and Mike Pouncey. That's all coaching right there.

As for points given up they are pretty good but points given up are good to check at the end of the game, but are not the most accurate measure of a defense's ability. If we turn it over on the 10 yard line and give Tom Brady the ball. Our defense stops them cold, 3 attempts zero yards, field goal. Thats 3 points given up. If the Patriots start on their own 1 yard line and marches down the field, finally sputtering at the 3 yard line and kick a field goal, that's 3 points allowed. Points allowed scores those two performances exactly the same. Both are important, but there is a reason Total Defense is the de facto measurement of a defense by almost everyone on earth who follows football. That said, in 2011 they ranked 15th in points allowed, by virtue of key turnovers and if you exclude points they didn't give up, they were 21st. So 21st in points allowed, 31st in total defense.

Their defense was so bad, didn't Boomer who we all respect write a long post about how bad their roster was because BB's drafting had fallen off a cliff? Let me find it.

If you are trying to say NE did not have a bad defense in 2011-2013 you have your head in the sand.

By the way guess who gave up less points in 2013 than the Patriots? Dolphins. Was their 2013 team more talented minus QB? Oline sure. WR don't think so, especially this year. I wuldn't trade Landry, Stills, Mathews, Parker for Edelman, Amendola, Dobson and Thomkins. Defense was worse by a country mile. TE is all world but barely played. His backups didn't do squat.

 

You do not appreciate how bad that 2013 roster was performing. One of the worst defenses in the league, Gronk for a few games. Their oline was good, and that's about it. They had Brady and a great oline.

Go look at their roster for 2013. Subtract Tom Brady, subtract all the coaching. You take that roster over ours this year? Remember Gronk plays 6 full games. You get that defense. Ryan Tannehill leads that squad.

Remember you don't get Bill Belichick and staff. Our coaches, those players, our QB. AFC Championship game?

 

bb doesnt coach the oline but he does make sure he gets the best coaches for it because he understands, unlike some of our fans and some of our coaches, how important an offensive line is.

10th and 15th best defenses in the league 2013 and 2011 repsectively. points is all that matters when evaluating a defense. i dont go outside of that. what does 2013 miami have to do with this argument? youre point was how brady elevated a team with the best offensive line in the nfl and the 10th best defense. not exactly the best example to make your case

 

But as j dang pointed out they had holes in several places as well. Point is great quarterbacks get the job done and make up for a teams short comings. Gronk out most of year, defense was bad, not a lot of talent at WR, and not a strong run game either. Defensive scoring was good in 2013 because Brady gives his defense field position. He doesn't turn the ball over a lot and doesn't go 3 and out often. That defense gave up a ton of yards. They weren't good. A good offense helps your defense. 15th in scoring D you act like that's good. That average middle of the league. Lol. So yeah he had the offensive line but look how many holes they had. You Tannehill fan boys want everything perfect for him. You point out the teams holes and expect that to give Tannehill a scape goat. There is no perfect scenario for a QB in the NFL. Every team has holes. The offense is only scoring 19 ppg and they are the worst 1st quarter scoring offense in the league. Tannehill is to blame just like other units on the team.