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Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

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  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    boomer never said he would like to see tannehill carry the team with no offensive line which is why the original post is more relevant. he gave you ample reasons why its ridiculous to try to judge tannehill negatively given the tools he's supposed to work with. i dont really wish to speak for boomer since he knows better what he meant but it seems crystal clear that he trashes all the naysayers by stating that there is nothing you can judge poorly about the guy behind that abysmal line

    as for proving himself he's already done it. when he has time he tears it up. thats the way football works. the physical part of the game has seen improvements every single season for four years and counting. now he gets to the stage where his growth will be cerebral. he is almost a text book case in how you want to develop a QB
     
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  2. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    "Reasonable fans, who wont let some people control the narrative"


    I woke up my chick laughing out loud at that one!!! The BS is getting very deep around here. [emoji3][emoji3]


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  3. jdang307

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    Lol at the bold. I would say nice attempt at spin but it wasn't that good of an attempt. He also never said he would like to see Tannehill carry a team without Todd Gurley, or Bill Belichick as our coach, or ... His post speaks for itself. The situation and circumstances around Tannehill is addressed in his second line. It's quite clear. The team and coaching around Tannehill are not ideal. But Tanny is making some bad decisions this year. He's not doing his best with the crap that is given him.

    Not saying Boomer is down on Tanny no way. He's always been bullish on RT. He loves the kid, sees a lot of potential in him.

    I'll just say I agree basically 100% with what Boomer wrote and I have been consistent with that in my posts. Boomer didn't sugarcoat it. Tannehill has regressed this year. He has flashes of brilliance but just like last year has problems with consistency. He is right now, a 12-15 QB depending on who you ask, and if he doesn't improve, some young guns (Carr, Marriota) could pass him. Time will tell.

    Guys clearly ahead of him in no particular order

    1 - Brady
    2 - Rodgers
    3 - Big Ben
    4 - Romo
    5 - Palmer
    6 - Matt Ryan
    7 - Rivers
    8 - Eli Manning
    9 - Wilson (yeah he's not doing so great but still better plus has been lights out in the past) he's had worse Olines than Tannehill has through all his years.
    10 - Dalton
    11 - Brees

    These guys are all definitely playing or played better than Tanny has.

    Guys who some can say is better, but not so definitive

    Newton. His passing just doesn't do it for me
    Carr. Keeps playing like this he's clearly ahead but I'd like to see a couple seasons first.
    Tyrod Taylor again needs more time but has dazzled in short time.
    Mariota has been impressive. But he hasn't had a year yet, and I want to see year 2 which is when a lot of young QBs tumble.
    Flacco. Never been a fan of his.
    Cutler ... yeah he's fooled us all before. Not falling for him again.

    Wassup with Cousins. Almost identical numbers to Tanny this year. Oline rankings from PFF (for what's that's worth but I haven't watched their games) are bad, slightly better than Miami's. San Diego's is bad too which makes Rivers performance all the more surprising.
     
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  4. DolphinGreg

    DolphinGreg Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think it's semantics. I said before that nearly everyone thinks the same thing about Ryan Tannehill but finds distinctly different ways of putting it. I'm a negative person I guess, so observations tend to be a little cynical. I tend to assume someone is perfect and then focus on what isn't there and what's holding them back, almost he way an inspector would do. You check a box next to anything that doesn't look quite right or could be repaired in some way.

    At the end of the day we all really want Ryan Tannehill to succeed and I think we've all seen glimpses of the guy we wish was there week-in, week-out. I'm glad Boom mentioned the Jacksonville game because I've said this whole time that I thought that was Tannehill's best game. The was the one where he really stood out as doing stuff normal QBs don't do. And to do it all coming right off that ugly game against Washington made it look like a legitimate bounce-back performance. Had the team won, Miami would have a winning record right now and be tied with the Bills and Jets.

    I think the consistency talk nails it. We need to see Ryan play his best far more often than he does. That's really it. If we had more of the good games we'd all sing his praises. The kid surely brings a lot to the table. No one questions that.
     
  5. Fin D

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    Good. It was probably time to pay her and send her on her way anyway.

    But there was nothing untrue about what I said.

    How's Wallace doing again?
     
  6. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Brother, even worse...I'll be paying her the rest of my day's and she isn't ever leaving.

    In the Minnesota games I've seen Wallace has looked pretty bad, Miami Homer Dan LeBatard said that he continues to beat defenses consistently but I can't confirm or deny that other than one play.

    Judging by how things are going Ryan Tannehill and Mike Wallace ironically needed each other because they both look lost in 2015.


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  7. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    He never said that. Nice try though. Now you're just scrambling.

    Personally, I'm not one to "baby" a QB simply because I want so badly for this team to finally solidify itself with a franchise-caliber player. That position deserves the level of scrutiny it commonly receives because of how important it is to the team in the grand scheme of things.
     
  8. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    Scary to think there are people who are ACTUALLY worried about controlling some anonymous internet forum's "narrative" about a particular player.
     
  9. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    While Ryan's season is anything but stellar... Probably average by his numbers so far... I think lost is a BIT of an over exaggeration, don't you think?



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  10. Fin-O

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    Ehhh it's a loose term.


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  11. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fair enough.. Can't think of too many fans thrilled with his play so far... But I think it has more to do with the expectations than actual bad numbers... His numbers are certainly not terrible


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  12. Rock Sexton

    Rock Sexton Anti-Homer

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    For the most part he's up when the team is up. He's down when the team is down. That to me is the trait of a game manager and not that of a man who's influence helps elevate the play of those around him.
     
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  13. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I won't totally disagree.. He should be having a better season... I just didn't see his play as lost.. I thought that was a bad word used to describe his season so far


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  14. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    That's exactly what he said in his original post. His entire post was that those who are overly critical of tannehill don't understand how bad his offensive line is. That's what we've been saying all along. Yet you guys have convinced yourselves that somehow you are able to define talent or lack of talent behind such a garbage line
     
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  15. resnor

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    A QB like Tannehill is sort of like a diamond. When you find it, it's dull, lifeless, and dirty. You have to cut it, and clean it, to bring out the characteristics that diamonds are valued for. Tannehill needs to be cut and cleaned. But he was given Philbin and a QB coach with no experience.


    Then thrown behind one of the worst olines year in and year out.
     
  16. AdamC13

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    You are such a Tannehill LOVER! :lol:

    That is as high of a ranking as I've seen of Tannehill this year. Besides some Dolphin forums of course. At least based on his play after a couple of games and the play of other QBs.

    Really on Cam Newton? His leadership is off the charts. He is a flat out winner! 9-0 this year. Less experience in college than Tannehill, yet went undefeated, National Championship, Heisman trophy. 4th quarter QB rating of 102.2. When trailing by 8 or less a QB rating of 113.9. Have to take his rushing into account as he has TD pass and TD rush in 6 games this year (one short of tying Steve Young for all-time record at 31). All this while having Ted Ginn as his #1 WR after Benjamin tore ACL in pre-season. Panthers have put up 20, 24, 27, 37, 27, 27, 29, 37, 27 points respectively in their games this year. His comeback win against the Seahawks in Seattle was impressive. Big arm allows to throw the ball down the field. He is basically does all the things I wish Tannehill did.

    And no mention of Winston, Bridgewater or Bortles?

    Then of course there is Luck, unless we are just talking about play this year where injuries have done him in. Too damn tough for his own good.

    Even Johnny Manziel is showing he may surpass Tannehill now that he is laying off the alcohol...kinda
     
  17. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    Finally you are starting to see the big picture...congratulations! Looks like at best Tannehill ends up .5 to 1ct
     
  18. Fin D

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    See this ^ jdang.

    Do you understand the problem yet?
     
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  19. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    It is called humor. I don't expect you to understand.
     
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  20. Rocky Raccoon

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    I don't understand the point in bringing Boomer into this. If you read his club posts and his Twitter, he feels the same way about Tannehill that most of us supporters do. Good QB that has his warts but also needs better coaching and line play.

    Seriously, that description is exactly how we feel. No one has said Tannehill is a top 10 or elite QB.
     
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  21. Fin D

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    Exactly, except I did point out he PLAYED like it for a time last year when he good line play. That will get taken out of context...AGAIN, after this though.
     
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  22. rdhstlr23

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    I don't want to turn this into a Wallace thread, but he's not doing well in Minnesota. And it's pretty clear that the chemistry with Wallace was the issue with Tannehill's deep ball as it's been SO much better this year.

    But to be fair, we still haven't replaced Mike Wallace's 10 TDs from last year. We brought in Cameron. We drafted Parker. Yet, Our WRs are on a far less pace for TDs than last year. We struggle even more in the redzone this year than we did last year. So, Wallace has been tough to replace there.

    I don't miss his headache though. Personally, I like our WR group much better this year than last year.
     
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  23. AdamC13

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    Agreed with the Boomer comment. I am sure he can speak for himself and is still just an opinion. It was actually Fin D that brought him into the conversation.

    Do you think "good" is really good enough at the QB position?

    I would argue that Lazor has been a blessing for Tannehill. It has allowed him to play to his strength which is short passes without having to go through progressions, use pocket presence to buy time and consistently pick up chunk yardage.
     
  24. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Saying with a good offensive line he is a top 5-10 quarterback actually means you believe he is a top 5-10 quarterback. Top 10 is stretching it. Top 5 is delusional. In fact it's heresy and you're a homer if you actually believe he belongs in that group with Brady and Rodgers. Guy isn't even top 15. Especially with young guys like Carr, Bortles, and Mariota on the rise. Lol reality says wake up.
     
  25. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Passing touchdowns overall is about the same. Tannehill had 27 last year and has 15 so far after 9 games. Which is about the same amount.

    Last season they had a touchdown percentage of 51.4% and this year Miami has a 53.85%

    https://www.teamrankings.com/

    based on the loss of Wallace hasn't been that big of a deal in Miami.
     
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  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    Bortles? That is a stretch.
     
  27. Fin D

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    I'm not saying anything. It actually happened. Last year, after he learned the offense and before Albert went down, he was playing in the Top 5-10 range.

    That is fact. It happened.

    You have problems.
     
  28. Rocky Raccoon

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    There aren't a lot of good quarterbacks these days. I think Tannehill has certainly shown enough to stick with. As I said, he has his warts. My one big issue with him is he doesn't scramble enough when the pocket breaks. He's athletic and he's really good throwing on the move. He needs to improve that. Do I think he's good enough to win with? Yes. I do.

    As for Lazor. I'm torn on him. I like a lot of his designs, but his play calling is iffy. It's too predictable at times and he abandons the run game far too often.
     
  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    Did you just ignore everything else he said after top 5-10 QB? It sure seems like you did.
     
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  30. LI phinfan

    LI phinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Don't forget Manziel or Fitzpatrick or even Matt Hasselback.. Or anybody else.. Because they all will be passing Tannehill soon.. Lol. Smh


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  31. Fin D

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    I'm an oracle.
     
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  32. Phins Up Wins Up

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    In no particular order QBs better than Tannehill.

    Brady
    Rodgers
    Tyrod Taylor
    Big Ben
    Andy Dalton
    Joe Flacco
    Luck
    Bortles
    Rivers
    Carr
    Matt Ryan
    Cam Newton
    Drew Brees
    Tony Romo
    Eli Manning
    Russell Wilson
    Carson Palmer

    That puts him at 18th.

    Others you could make an argument for would be Peyton Maning, Mariota, Foles, and Alex Smith. Once Manning comes back from injury he could return better. Mariota is having a better rookie year than Tannehill did. He will most likely pass him in due time. Foles looked good in Philly. Being on a new team in a new system has taken a negative effect on him. Maybe with more time he surpasses Tannehill again. Alex Smith doesn't turn the ball over. Short yardage game manager QB very much like Tannehill.
     
  33. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Well it's another year with the offense and even when he had Albert he never played to that level. Nor did he last year either as you suggest. So what's the excuse now?
     
  34. Fin D

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    The oline has not operated at that level this year, also fact.

    That's not an excuse. Its fact. Saying the guy needs a decent oline to be a really good QB is not crowning him the greatest ever nor is it some damning problem that makes him the worst in the league.

    You have a personal issue with Tannehill, that is abundantly obvious. You need help.
     
  35. Rocky Raccoon

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    Where's Peyton?
     
  36. Rocky Raccoon

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    Wait, why is Bortles on that list? Lololol
     
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  37. LI phinfan

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    All you can come up with is 22? Maybe you should start adding the college ones that are better also.. When you get to 50 better, please post it... I can't wait! Omg.



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  38. BigNastyDB13

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    Makes ya wonder just how sad some people's lives are that the only thing they have to worry about is poor Tanny getting picked on in a forum. Not sure if that makes their lives envious or tortuous.
     
  39. Fin D

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    lol. I wonder how sad someone's life is that they feel like a person can only have one thing to think/worry about.

    And btw, for every post I make at least 3 of you ***** about it, which means you guys worry about me going unchallenged.
     
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