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Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dolphinzdawgg, Nov 15, 2015.

  1. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Um Tannehill doesn't play well. If he were playing well and the offense was scoring 26-30 ppg but just getting out scored because of the defense that would be one thing. But he is below average in his play. And the team is only scoring 19 ppg.
     
  2. Fin D

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    Its not an outlier. It proves wins can be gotten by entities other than the QB.

    I'll ask you like I've asked the rest you, maybe you'll have the sack to answer it (probably not)....

    Explain what percentage of a given win is because of the QB. I want to see the math. Show your work.
     
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  3. resnor

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    False. I've said that the piss poor blocking up front makes it incredibly difficult to let downfield routes develop, and makes it difficult for Tannehill to be able to step into throws.

    Again, it's pretty unbelievable how you guys seem to think that the oline doesn't matter.

    Philip Rivers, man. The Chargers are 2-7, and you're using him as an example of what you want Tannehill to be. Yet the TEAM is losing. They haven't been better than 9-7 in the last five years.

    What is my point? That wins are a TEAM statistic, and you need a good TEAM to win. You can keep harping on Tannehill all you want, it doesn't matter. The team hasn't been good enough to win, just like the Chargers team isn't good enough to win, no matter how Rivers plays.
     
  4. Fin D

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    lol, you've never actually won anything with me.

    Again, you made your case about Rivers. That's not proof. You also admitted you don't have the info to say he has all the same circumstances that Tannehill does and that was before we learned about the audibles.
     
  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    You're absolutely right man, The article about audibles was a game changer on the topic.

    Moving right along..


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  6. Fin D

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    Exactly.

    Manning 67.6 QB rating, Broncos are 7-2
    Rivers 100.7 QB rating, Chargers are 2-7

    The argument is over. It has been proven W/L record is not a QB stat.

    You literally cannot get a more perfect example.
     
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  7. Fin D

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    That wasn't my point, though you're right it is a game changer.

    I mean if you don't understand why its important to be able to audible based on the defensive look, then you're more football stupid then I thought you were.
     
  8. Fin-O

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    I thouht the topic was about Qbs playing well despite 'X'....seems like the argument has been proven wrong so it's being pushed in another direction.


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  9. Fin-O

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    I guess you didn't read all the post I made criticizing that very topic long before you read a Barry Jackson article and hopped on board.

    You act as if this topic is news to all of us, when really it's just new to you apparently since it wasn't in your criteria originally.


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  10. Fin D

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    Of course that's what it seems like to you, you're not smart.

    Show me the QB that plays well despite having:

    - a horrible oline
    - a horrible OC
    - a team that abandons the running game early

    Because you haven't yet, but if you do then find one that has all that and:

    - not allowed to audible

    Do that. Quit crying. Quit Fin-oing up the joint. Just answer that.
     
  11. adamprez2003

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    Unless the terminology has changed that is not an audible but instead a check out of a play. An audible is being able to call any play at the line. Only a handful of qbs have that freedom. Checking out of a play to a designed pass or run most qbs can do but you're limited to one or two plays. You seem to be making the case that tannehill is always wrong but you would need to provide more than one play out of nine games played to make your case. Being that you cant possibly come up with the thirty or fifty plays you would need to make the case its just biased conjecture on your part that he isn't making the right reads
     
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  12. Fin D

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    And yet you're disregarding its importance now.

    By you pointing out that you've thought it was important before, while now acting like its not a big deal, proves your trolling because you can't take getting stomped by me, again per usual.
     
  13. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    No dude, go ahead and mop away, it's so much fun to watch.

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  14. Fin D

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    How would you know, you've never seen it happen.

    Show me where he mopped the floor with anyone?

    He can't even win at poker when when he swears he's the greatest ever.
     
  15. adamprez2003

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    But you used san Diego. The chargers have a better oline than us. Don't you have to use a team with a worse oline
     
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  16. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Lol, some folks just can't see the truth though it's staring them in the face, but it's good entertainment.
     
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  17. Fin D

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    Please, illustrate the "truth".

    Now remember, for something to be the truth it has to be proven. Its not your and Fin-O's drunken assessments of a player that you're watching on one of 20 screens at a BWWs while you think the waitress likes you even though she tries to get any other server to take your table.
     
  18. Rocky Raccoon

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    Lol. Aren't you the guy who said Suh isn't a top 10 DT? Talk about truth staring you in the face.
     
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  19. Fin-O

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    Im pretty good looking man, infact Im pretty sure you already Fap to me.


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  20. Finster

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    No, I said top 7.
     
  21. Fin D

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    Right?

    The only people who profess "the truth" without evidence and only give the equivalent of "because I said so" are cult leaders and Donald Tru....so yeah, just cult leaders.
     
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  22. Phins Up Wins Up

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    It is an outlier. How many of the contending teams right now don't have good quarterback play? How many super bowl teams had average or below average play at QB? Do you know what the term outlier means? "Well it happens sometimes." Duuuuurrrrr
     
  23. Finster

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    LOL, the ladies are fighting over who gets my table

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  24. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Lmao something Tannehill fan boys are notorious for. Call them out on one thing they jump to another thing and claim it doesn't prove them wrong. And the cycle continues.
     
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  25. Fin D

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    Cause the sheriff's office has reward money out for your capture?

    OR

    Because they've never met a hairy egg before?
     
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  26. Fin D

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    Again:

    Explain what percentage of a given win is because of the QB. I want to see the math. Show your work.

    (Just know, no matter your response, this ^ is all I'm gonna reply with until you answer it.)
     
  27. Finster

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    Oh, I'm sorry, did I scare you, lol.
     
  28. Phins Up Wins Up

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    You're absolutely right. Tannehill is the only QB in the NFL who has holes on his team and questionable coaching. It's a real shame.
     
  29. jdang307

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    The part about not audibling is true, but he is given more than just 1 or 2 options. The pertinent quote isn't a quote at all, it's from "a dolphins Player." Tannehill, Lazor and Campbell talk about him not audibling, they never confirm it's just one play. Look at the article. See the smoke and mirrors?


    He is not allowed to audible into any play he wants and I'm not sure he's on that level to do that just yet. He's allowed to change protections. He's allowed more than one option to change into. It's not an audible in the sense that these are set options given to him before he goes up to the line. But they are quite a few he can choose from. It's not A or B. It's more complex than that.

    Shoot, even BB notices it and nobody has a crack (cheating?) research team than them.

    ^^^^ was confirmed essentially in the club. No actual quote in this article from Tannehill, Lazor or Campbell refutes it.

    Certainly, if the options given to him all wouldn't work, he can't change out of it. That is true. I'm saying, it's more than just run/pass. In fact, sometimes there isn't even run in it.
     
  30. jdang307

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    Yeah, we both did to you know who ;) The threads are so damn big I'd have to dig it out.
     
  31. Fin D

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    Explain what percentage of a given win is because of the QB. I want to see the math. Show your work.
     
  32. jdang307

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    Disagree. The new article quotes "a dolphins player" neither Tanny, Campbell or Lazor confirms he's limited to only one option past the original call.
     
  33. Fin D

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    I thought that was about when Sherman was here.
     
  34. jdang307

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    Nope Lazor, Shoot it was just a few weeks ago lol. Right after the original Lazor article came out.
     
  35. Fin D

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    I remember the 6 play thing, but I thought that was awhile ago. Regardless, this report has actual quotes from actual players who actually play on the actual offense.
     
  36. muskrat21

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    why is this thread still going?
     
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  37. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Lmao you sure are entertaining. You bring up the Broncos winning with bad QB play and I call you out on it being an outlier. How many contending teams have bad or average QB play right now? How many Super Bowls teams had bad or average QB play? So now as usual you move on to something else. Let me ask you something. Does the QB not have a big effect on the success of a football team? You and other Tannehill defenders don't seem to think so. You seem to argue a team makes a QB better instead of great QBs making their teams better and being the leader.
     
  38. jdang307

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    No it doesn't. read it again. You are notorious for hating on anonymous sources. Not a single named person confirmed the one option. There is no evidence Jackson asked them to confirm the one option.

    Jackson himself might be confused. Tanny is given only one play call. He cannot call a different play, ever. He is given one play and he goes up there and that's it. He's stuck with that one play.

    But that play has multiple built in options. It's not just pass/run. It's more than you can count on both hands. It wasn't a while ago. It was literally 4 weeks ago after the Lazor article came out.
     
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  39. Fin D

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    Explain what percentage of a given win is because of the QB. I want to see the math. Show your work.
     
  40. Phins Up Wins Up

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    And Tannehill fans continue to claim he has unfair limitations. Another bogus claim by the Tannehill crowd. I don't mind their opinion and welcome a good debate but its the way they go about it. Making up stuff and refusing to admit they're wrong when its staring them right in the face.
     
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