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Will we be able to rebuild the OLine before we have to get rid of Tannehill ?

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  1. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Lazor is blunt and not known to beat around the bush. He's a no bs'er
     
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  2. roy_miami

    roy_miami Well-Known Member

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    By your definition you could argue that Peyton Manning doesn't have the ability to audible...
     
  3. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    What is being ignored is that Tannehill had the "shackles" off in the past and when Tannehill was given more freedom his passing was negatively affected according to Coach Campbell.

    http://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...lack-of-freedom-on-audibles-um-coach-sea.html

    “When you do that, there’s two schools of thought,” interim coach Dan Campbell said Thursday. “When you do that, certainly Ryan can handle that mentally but you take the chance it slows him down in his rhythm. You open the full playbook up, those are sometimes the problems you run into. I’ll be honest with you. His first few years with Mike Sherman, he somewhat had that a little bit.

    “He had a lot of options he could do. He did a good job of getting us into the right plays and protection, but we felt like it slowed him down a little bit with his rhythm. We felt like he could be a better passer by taking a little bit of a load off of him. And he is throwing the ball better.”

    Why do I get the sense that if Tannehill was calling his own plays, which it affects his passing negatively, the complaint would be Lazor is putting too much on Tannehill and that isn't fair to go to a QB in their 4th year.
     
  4. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No you can't.
     
  5. Fin D

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    No he didn't.
     
  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    that was his second year. thats what happens to second year QBs when you overload them
     
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  7. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    So, Campbell is saying that Tannehill did a good job calling plays and protections, but they wanted to speed up his rhythm? Now we have issues with protections, which also affect his rhythm.
     
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  8. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    it sounds to me like what campbell is saying is that they tried it two years ago. it was too much for a second year qb who was still trying to get his accuracy down but now that he's in his fourth year and his accuracy is in place they might revisit letting him have more freedom on the line. not sure if thats this year or next though
     
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  9. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    His numbers took a significant jump last year when options removed from him. Sure doesn't seem like Tannehill has earned the confidence of his coaches to be trusted with more and they would know better than anyone else. Coach Campbell was all about making changes he thought would improve the team when he took over and obviously letting Tannehill run the offense wasn't one of them. His comment seems to be just the opposite. Tannehill struggled in recognizing where the blitz was coming from against the Eagles, so no reason to believe he has evolved as a QB that can be trusted.

    These guys sure don't seem to be sold on Tannehill

    http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/videos/_/id/14876/ryan-tannehill
     
  10. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Uh, Campbell said that Tannehill did a good job calling protections...that would indicate to me that Tannehill was recognizing blitzes, and calling appropriate protections.
     
  11. Finster

    Finster Finsterious Finologist

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    Unless of course you watch the games, because it is beyond abundantly clear that he's failing in that particular area.
     
  12. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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  13. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    he's not failing in that area. he could improve. he's recognizing most of the blitzes. he's just failing to recognize all of them. in terms of blitz recognition he's probably getting a C grade by the coaches. Remember turning your back on a blitzer when your protection is designed to block that blitzer but fails is not failing to recognize the blitz. those are on the offensive line

    are you able to make that distinction? cause in real time that's difficult to do. sometimes you have to watch the tape a few times before you figure out what the protection was supposed to be
     
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  14. Fin D

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    I see the problem.

    You think calling the correct protection is like casting a magical spell, and as long you call the right one, protection won't break down because oline talent doesn't matter.

    That clears a lot up.
     
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  15. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    that had me laughing. you mean tannehill doesnt have 7th level protection spells yet? damn you lazor!!!!
     
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  16. AdamC13

    AdamC13 Well-Known Member

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    That whole sentence was euphemism for calling plays and playing are TOO MUCH for Tannehill.

    What is he supposed to say, "I have a dumb**** at QB who also can't throw?"
     
  17. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    in your world maybe but in the real world he was saying they may start to consider it though like i said it would surprise me if it was during the middle of the season. usually you prepare a QB during the offseason to do that. i personally cant think of any QB who went from not having the ability to audible at the line of scrimmage to one that did in the middle of the season. maybe you can find one
     
  18. AdamC13

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  20. PhinFan1968

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    It feel like his accuracy has improved this year...his completions are more on target and his misses are closer to where they should be. I see MANY QBs miss their receivers by a lot more, routinely.
     
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  21. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    agreed. four years and counting of constant improvement is a great great sign. i mean he still hasn't hit his ceiling. the areas i see improvement are hitting receivers in stride, coverage reads, anticipation, touch, deep ball accuracy, progressions, speed of processing play development.

    think he still has to work on blitz recognition, sliding his feet in the pocket, situational awareness, recognizing safety help on mid range out patterns
     
  22. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why do you keep resorting to personal attacks. His post had nothing that should elicit such a response other than you disagreeing 100%.
     
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  23. Boik14

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    I agree, the conjecture and hyperbole in this thread is ridiculous
     
  24. Rocky Raccoon

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    Stop. Fin D has been personally attacked just as much as anyone else in this thread.
     
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  25. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Wonder why. It's because of stupid **** like that. You think people randomly pick him out? There's a reason. I admit I haven't always handled it maturely or to the standards somebody who does what I do for a living should handle it but he gets the same respect back that he displays. Simple as that.
     
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  26. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely. I'll take care of my part. I'm done responding directly to him. It makes no difference how you present your argument. Even if you try just talking football, doesn't work. I'll clean up my part.
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I agree with jdang's overall sentiment, but calling out one guy when there have been attacks by multiple guys isn't fair.
     
  28. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I'll clean up my act because I realize it makes me no better than him but he gets singled out for a reason. He doesn't respect anyone's opinion and nobody respects his. For the most part. Me and you don't always agree but you present your side in a respectful manner therefore you don't get the backlash. Anyways, I actually feel pretty good about tomorrow's game. I worry about Romo scrambling and killing our secondary but I have a good feeling about our offense breaking out at home. I think Miller/Ajayi make hay on the ground and Thill has a good game. Going to say Thill goes for 260 yards and 2 tds with 1 turnover. A fumble. Dolphins win 27-23
     
  29. Rocky Raccoon

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    Last I checked it was supposed to rain heavily, so that could make things more interesting. Miller and Ajayi will need to carry us if that's the case.
     
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  30. BigNastyDB13

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    I didn't know thar. Thanks for the heads up. I think a little rain would likely benefit us. Our defense needs to take advantage of the opportunities for turnovers. They had their hands on a lot of footballs last week and couldn't seal the deal outside of Jones, who has been a beast this year and our team MVP.
     
  31. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I told someone else to lay off Fin D too just yesterday.
     
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  32. Fin-O

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    When did he call the right protection? Do you have a link?

    Listen, its obvious to anyone who reads and comprehends well that they do not trust Ryan with too much on his plate. Lazor said it, Campbell said it....its simply how they must feel.

    NOW......

    I still do not think it is wise to pay a QB what we paid and baby the hell out of him like this organization has.

    Philbin telling the practice squad DB's to take it easy on Ryan so they don't hurt his confidence?? Lazor, Campbell claiming they feel like pre snap reads were "too much" to put on his plate??

    Take off the GD kit gloves! Now I know why Ryan is so "careful" on the field....its how he is treated by his bosses. There is so much wrong with this team its pathetic.
     
  33. Fin-O

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    That was actually kinda funny..:lol:
     
  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    My bad. Must have missed that. I try not to come to this thread to often, for obvious reasons :lol:
     
  35. resnor

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    Why are we continuing to bring up the practice squad thing? Was there something other than the walkthrough? If not, stop saying this garbage.
     
  36. Fin-O

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    I brought it up because Philbin telling the DB's too "take it easy" on Ryan is absolutely pathetic. I brought it up because it is just another example of the ridiculous coddling they do in regards to Tannehill. I wasn't trying to bring up an embarrassing moment for Tanny boys....just sharing my opinion on how his play sure seems a lot like the treatment he has received.
     
  37. AdamC13

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    You crack me up :lol: Only you would get "they may start to consider it" out of that.

    Why on earth would I want to do research toward which QBs started to audible during the middle of the season? This is your point and actually has "nothing" to do with Tannehill. If Coach Campbell thought it was the way to go he would have said something to the effect, "We are starting to give him more freedom to use the audible", but did he say anything close to that? NO, except in your fantasy world maybe.

    So feel free to find a link that states no QB has ever been given audible rights in the middle of the season. I'll be waiting and congratulate you on scoring a point if you can.
     
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  38. resnor

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    Didn't that occur during a walkthrough?
     
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  39. resnor

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    Apparently you had no problem spinning the quote the way you wanted. No need to mock those who choose to spin it a different way.
     
  40. Fin-O

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    I have no idea, but the point remains....take off the handcuffs, its midway through his 4th year and we are still reading reports of more babying. Its a joke, let him just be what he is gonna be and live with it.
     
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