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***Official Miami vs Dallas Game Thread***

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Fin D, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. Sleepy

    Sleepy Well-Known Member

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    Can we bring back Sherman?
     
  2. Phins_Fan_87

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    lazor wont be here after this summer.
     
  3. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Lazor sucks but he isn't telling Tannehill to check down every throw or stand there and take sacks. Or throw a pick 6. Every play has some receivers going down field. Tannehill is the one checking down all the time.
     
  4. resnor

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    Dude, when you have 4 man rushes, you end up with check downs and coverage sacks. If they're going to rush four guys, then pound the rock.
     
  5. jw3102

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    First the problem was Sherman and now the problem is Lazor. Perhaps the real problem is the QB who can't seem to lead his team to more than a couple of TD's every week.
     
  6. cbrad

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    QB is definitely a problem. But so is the OC.
     
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  7. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You're like a broken record aren't you?

    Guess what, we scored 14, and had a chance to win, until the defense, and special teams dug us another hole.

    **** off with your Tannehill crap. Seriously. I don't care about him one way or another. It's not my fault you don't have the ability to look at the game as a whole.

    Let me try and make this simple for your simple mind...

    Did our offense suck in the first half? Yes.
    Did Tannehill suck in the first half? Yes.
    Did the offense rebound and tie the game? Yes.
    Did the defense and special teams units squander any chance we had after we tied it? Yes.
    Did we loose this game as a team, that can't put together a whole game? Yes.
    Did we loose this game because of the performance of one player? No.

    Again, I know, all you want to do is sit here and dog the QB. That's fine, but take a second and put the entire game, the entire team in perspective, maybe you'll notice something else. We all know Tannehill stunk in the first half, so did the whole offense. That sucks, yes. However the offense, mostly because of Tannehill, got us back into this game with a tie, then the rest of this team promptly threw it all away. The fact of the matter is, we sucked. We played better, we tied it, then just another part of the team decided to suck and we lost. The fact of that matter is, we played ourselves back into the game, then dug ourselves the same big hole we were in, with our other two parts of this team.

    That's the sign of a bad team, a badly coached team. We're inconsistent, all over the place. Instead of talking about one player, and one play, look a little deeper. Is that a problem, oh hell yes, he was a problem early. That's football though. You deal with it, you move on, and you play the game. We did, got back in it, then coughed it up again, because we aren't good as a team.

    I know the ability to look beyond Tannehill escapes you, but give it a try, and don't give me this crap about I'm defending him, because I'm not. I'm pointing out the fact that what happened today, is far greater than him, while saying he didn't help early, but did later. It's not hard to understand.
     
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  8. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Yeah man they had 4 man rushes the whole game. Sure dude. And its not like a man is never open. And during 4 man rushes that is a chance to run down field on the scramble when everyone is down field in coverage. Lmao what kind of excuse is that. A good quarterback picks apart the defense no matter the coverage. There are some tight windows but you gotta make them. You think any great QB would just throw up his hands and say well they blitz too much or well they got too much coverage back there. lmao come dude.
     
  9. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Thats the problem you want to totally discount the 1st half of the game. :lol: 14 points won't win you a lot of ball games. Next.
     
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  10. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Next head coach and OC will come in and it will be their fault too. And the new group of OL. Like every year.
     
  11. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Ryan Tannehill sucks.
     
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  12. Patssuck

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    Whole team sucks. Why can't you just say that?
     
  13. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Read it again, or is that too difficult? Because I flat out said we weren't good enough in the first half. That's not discounting anything.

    Again, it's simple. Did we suck in the first half? **** yes we did. You're right. Does that make you happy? Probably. However, guess what, that same sucky offense, tied the game, for the defense and ST blunders, and more terrible penalties on the OL to squander it all away again. It's far beyond one person. I'm sorry you refuse to see that.
     
  14. resnor

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    You come on. This is why there can't be good discussion about this ****. People like you have unrealistic expectations. Maybe you guys believe my made up magic sack joke. Yes, when they can drop 7 guys into coverage, against your 3 wideouts, and one tight end, you are going to have problems finding an open receiver. Now, if they take just one guy to spot on Tannehill, you still have 6 guys in coverage on 4 receivers, and it's difficult to scramble as the QB.

    Yes, 4 man rushes create a problem, when you don't force teams to put more guys into the rush.

    Laugh all you want, but it's apparent that many on this site just don't understand basic football.
     
  15. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Its true the problem is some people think we got a franchise QB on this team though.
     
  16. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Still, even when they aren't bringing pressure, he can't just stand there like he did late in the game today where Dallas Thomas got beat. It was a coverage sack, but Ryan's got to move, get outside the pocket, the protection was there, get outside, see if someone can shake free, or as others pointed out here, throw it away. He can't just stand there, regardless.
     
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  17. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Keep up with the excuses bro. :lol:
     
  18. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    See, that's odd... because nobody here is saying that right now. You're just trying to stir the pot you always stir.
     
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  19. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    No. Some people just think that other units are a bigger failure right now than the QB.
     
  20. Fin-O

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    Ryan has like a 50 QB rating vs the blitz, we should hope they only rush 4.
     
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  21. Limbo

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    And after they tied it up at a grand total of 14, they did not score again. Lol. Wtf are you arguing?
     
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  22. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Doesn't mean the QB doesn't have to be replaced either. Thats your problem. You seem to think the failures from other places on the team make Tannehill exempt from blame.
     
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  23. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    Yeah. It's also went I stated in another thread, I think I'd start feeling out potential trade offers for Tannehill. If someone would give us a second, I'd take it in a heartbeat, and draft a QB in Round 1.

    I don't think it's all on Tannehill, but, 4 years in, I expected to see more than I'm seeing now.
     
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  24. brandon27

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    Ouch. Wasn't that a strength of his a few years ago? Maybe strength is a bad word, but those numbers were alot better in the past IIRC weren't they?
     
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  25. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Again you change your stance. Or maybe not you but many people like Resnor and Fin D argue we have the franchise quarterback on this team. Pretty sure you were one of those people too though.
     
  26. resnor

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    Dude, I don't think he's exempt from blame. I've advocated that fixing worse areas should be done before ditching Tannehill.

    My stance on Tannehill is starting to change however.
     
  27. Phins Up Wins Up

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    lol yeah its not like they got outscored. 14 points won't win a lot of games.
     
  28. resnor

    resnor Derp Sherpa

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    You don't even understand the argument.
     
  29. cbrad

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    resnor might not be as defensive in the future about Tannehill based on his latest comments.
     
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  30. muskrat21

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    you mean back in sherman's offense that allowed the QB to audible and call hot routes?
     
  31. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    Oh so it's Lazors fault? Nah bruh, Tannehill is the one throwing the ball.
     
  32. Patssuck

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    System matters.
     
  33. Phins Up Wins Up

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    To be fair I was high on Tannehill coming into the season too. But this was the year. IMO. For me he has had enough time.
     
  34. brandon27

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    Wow... did you watch the game?

    After they scored to tie it.. the defense gives up the lead with a Dallas TD. The kickoff following the score is LAndry's big blunder, putting our offense starting inside their own 5. What do you really expect from there? We run on first and second, then almost give up a sack to HArdy who completely owned Dallas Thomas. Punt. On that punt, which isn't the greatest punt, we cough up 15 yards on the hit out of bounds penalty. Dallas quickly gets the FG.

    We then get the ball at our own 20. Move down the field, Ryan takes a terrible sack to put us in a 3rd and 17 with 6 minutes left... 4 down territory you'd think.. we gain 11 on a checkdown to Miller. Inexplicably we punt, and Dallas eats the clock and we don't see the ball again until it's pointless.

    Now, maybe do you see? The offense never had a chance to comeback really due to the D giving up that 7 on a long drive, those special teams blunders, a bad sack by Ryan, then a poor coaching decision.

    The argument is, it's not on Ryan, or that pick 6 that we lost this game. Alot happened between then and the end of the game. That's how this whole discussion started... Was it bad? Absolutely. Fact is, we had a chance to overcome it, and we collapsed as a team yet again.
     
  35. brandon27

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    No, not at all. I don't have a side, never have. The only side I'm on is the Miami Dolphins. I want this team to win. Have I defended Ryan when I've felt it necessary. Absolutely. Have I gotten on him when I've felt it necessary. Absolutely. That's called being objective.
     
  36. Kud_II

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    Tannehill aint good enough. I'd rather roll the dice for an elite QB. But I bet there's some team that would be willing to give up a pretty high pick for him. Somebody worse off at QB than we are. For a 2nd rounder they can have him and his contract.
     
  37. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    I see no problem giving Tannehill another shot with an improved O line, but the excuses need to stop at this point. We're pretty good at running back, pretty good at wide receiver, we have proven options at tight end, 3 out 5 offensive lineman are first round picks with Turner and Douglas showing promise. We need a guard, and some depth but that's about it. They gave Tannehill time today and he didn't get it done. We need a veteran QB added, and possibly draft one if we actually have the ballsto do so. We know what Tannehill is at this point....A mediocre QB who can make throws when given proper time.
     
  38. Kud_II

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    And if you have a mediocre QB, you're limited. This wasn't always Lazor's offense. Tannehill has never blossomed into anything great. That's a fact. Probably never will. That's an opinion. He's had 4 years to prove himself.
     
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  39. Phins Up Wins Up

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    You keep making all these excuses for the offense. Just grasping at straws. Bottom line a franchise quarterback and a good offense would get the job done or at least score more than 14 points against a bad defense no matter what else is going on with the team. You could easily make the same argument for the defense. The pick 6. Stalling on drives. Offense getting too many penalties. 3 and outs.
     
  40. jdang307

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    The offense stunk the first half and the second half. The defense only gave up 17 points. Sure, the offense tied it, because the defense did a good job on their end. When we tied it, the defense only gave up 7 points to that point. The offense only scored 14 AND spotted the Cowboys 7. We are only in this game because of the defense.

    The defense wasn't lights out but they did NOT do a bad job. Tanny's pick 6 was killer. Then the offense only scoring 14 was the other killer.
     

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