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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Harleydude666, Nov 22, 2015.

  1. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    the DL is good, The LBs suck and the secondary is poor without grimes and average with him. overall a crappy defense but at least we are set on DL which means tannenbaum will probably spend a first rounder on that position in next year's draft
     
  2. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Ive said its indicitive to any QB LONG TERM...

    Ive also said its an odd coincidence Ryans teams alwaysbend up average because thats pretty much what he is.

    But i also know that about now your brain is scattering trying to make your own conclusion of what was just said.


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  3. Fin D

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    CB and QB are not the same position. They are not analogous. You're coming across really stupid.
     
  4. Phins Up Wins Up

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    One thing I do want people to know though is that Jamar Taylor could be an elite CB with better talent around him. Can't say that guy is average until he gets better talent placed around him on defense.
     
  5. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Moot is basically what your posts are on a daily basis.

    And thats being polite.


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  6. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    do you understand debatable and non debatable? there are some qbs that i might have ahead of tannehill but the difference is so close its debatable who's better. go on pick a qb that i deleted and i'll debate you on why tannehill is better. how is bortles better?
     
  7. Fin-O

    Fin-O Initiated Club Member

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    Now your flustering the poor guy, who knows what he will come back with....something entertaining thats for sure.


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  8. Fin D

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    I'm scattering but you're trying feed that bull****?!?!??!?!?!?

    You didn't just say it was an odd coincidence. You've flat out used 8-8 to say Tannehill is average, I believe you said it is what it is or something to that effect.
     
  9. Phins Up Wins Up

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    No dude. You don't understand. A CB will play better when he has a better DL, LBs, and FS playing around him. If all those on the team are bad why do you put blame on him? How can you say he isn't good enough? Why do you think we need a better CB when there are so many holes on the defense? Jamar Taylor could be really good if you put better players around him. You see the defense Darrelle Revis is playing with? Look at the defensive line he has. Same with Richard Sherman. Yeah I thought so.
     
  10. Fin D

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    That is not what moot means.

    You should probably look it up instead of being an idiot about it.
     
  11. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Probably a percentage.
     
  12. Fin D

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    You think you've created some strand to disprove things I've said about Tannehill, but you haven't.

    Your argument would be closer to making sense if you talked about MLB. But your ignorant *** is talking CB like its the same as QB.
     
  13. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Why are you so stuck on the QB being a record thing? You're the only one bringing it up. It's not a QB stat but it is 1 indicator. You could actually look at qb stats and still come to the determination thill is mediocre. You could also use your eyes and tad of common sense. Guys been consistently inconsistent. He doesn't get the young excuse anymore. He's in the prime of his career. Most QBs don't make big leaps after year 4. I'm sure there's outliers just like Manning being 7-2 despite struggling. Just like Dilfer winning a SB. Always exceptions but Thills stats jive pretty good with his teams auccess. I want a qb who leads his team. A guy you can have confidence in bringing u back in a game. A guy who will come up big st least in some meaningful big games. A winner. A good QB. Thill goes as his team goes. He doesn't elevate anybody outside of Hartline who ran the one route thill could consistently throw his rookie year.
     
  14. djphinfan

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    you cant see how a qb can elevate another players game, which means to get them to be more focused because of how he leads them?...you study the team, you watch them every game, every presser, rewatch etc? you dont think that quality is recognizable from our position?
     
  15. Fin-O

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    Sigh...not once have i ever said we are an average team because Ryan is an average QB.

    Nor would I ever base an evaluation of any player of the standings section of espn.

    Sometimes you get bad qbs on good teams, good qbs on bad teams, average qbs on good team, average Qbs on bad teams.

    We just so happen to have an average qb with an average team.

    I


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  16. Fin D

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    I'm not bringing it up.

    Anyone that uses W/L record as a QB stat is the one bringing it up.

    At this point, I'm fairly certain you didn't understand the post you just responded to.
     
  17. Fin-O

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    moot
    moÍžot/
    adjective
    1.
    subject to debate, dispute, or uncertainty, and typically not admitting of a final decision.
    "whether the temperature rise was mainly due to the greenhouse effect was a moot point"
    synonyms:debatable, open to discussion/question, arguable, questionable, at issue, open to doubt, disputable, controversial, contentious, disputed, unresolved, unsettled, up in the air
    "a moot point"

    Your posts in a nutshell.

    Re read 7 times for confirmation.


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  18. Phins Up Wins Up

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    More TDs more yards and he has less to work with on that Jaguars team. Gets the ball vertical down field more. And he actually tucks and runs the ball when he needs too.
     
  19. djphinfan

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    come on, mariota and winston..done.
     
  20. Fin D

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    You're using moot as if it means pointless and not a reason to debate.
     
  21. Phins Up Wins Up

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    I'm starting to wonder if this guy thinks Tom Brady and Ryan Tannehill given the same team would get the same amount of wins.
     
  22. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    wow...to your updated list that is..
     
  23. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    yeah had the same reaction to yours lol
     
  24. Phins Up Wins Up

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    What? Both of them already have more TD passes than Tannehill did his whole rookie year. Him and Winston will pass Tannehill one day. If not already. I saw Winston throw 5 TD passes today. They are both making strides.
     
  25. Fin-O

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    Atleast one of them do...im guessing 4-5 of them for sure.


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  26. Rocky Raccoon

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    This makes no sense. Tannehill has more yards and touchdowns than half the guys you listed.
     
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  27. djphinfan

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    lol..you piss me off prez, in a good way..
     
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  28. BigNastyDB13

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    I'm fairly certain I don't understand the majority of your posts or the point of them. I'm a common sense kinda guy. Can you point to 1 thing, anything that says Thill is a top 10 QB? Top 15? Use any stat you'd like that reflects a QBs play.
     
  29. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    and since thats his criteria he should remove them from his list
     
  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i agree dude..i didn't think they should be left out..id take them.
     
  31. Phins Up Wins Up

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    They have less turnovers and move the ball down field more too. Don't sit around and take sacks. Better pocket awareness. In regards to Tannehill and Bortles I give the edge to Bortles because more yards and TDs. Bortles isn't way ahead of Tannehill. But he is only in his 2nd year. Imo he will be great one day. I don't just look at yards and TDs. In that case I did though because they are closer.
     
  32. Phins Up Wins Up

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    That isn't my criteria. I am saying he does more with less. That is my biggest reason between them two.
     
  33. Phins Up Wins Up

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    Oh gotcha. Then Tannehill would be 21st.
     
  34. adamprez2003

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    bortles has 33% more interceptions. he averages more than one per game. the verticality you speak of is based on the coordinator. whether you are a short passing team designed to get yac or a vertical passing team designed to get chunk yardage, neither style is by itself superior to the other. Joe Montana and Tom Brady for example. tannehill averages 272 yds per game, bortles 262. the reason he has 100 yds more is he played one more game than tannehill (actually the stats i'm using havent updated sundays games and the jags played on thurs). so your own criteria support tannehill as the better qb. tannehill's completion percentage is 63.5% bortles is 56.5% anything below 60% is considered poor. hell some people even think you have to get above 65%. bortles averages 20 yds a game running. explain to me how that makes him a better QB THAN TANNEHILL who averages 5 yds. how impactful are those 15 yds that seperate the two
     
  35. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    he does less with less. dont see how you get he does more
     
  36. adamprez2003

    adamprez2003 Senior Member

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    so you're just going to make up different criteria for each qb?
     
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  37. Fin D

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    Obviously.
    Obviously not.
    Never said he is. I said when he had a decent oline last year he was.
    Same as above.
    For the time period I was talking about, you can use most the major ones, like TDs, yards, Qb rating, etc.
     
  38. adamprez2003

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    well time to watch walking dead. somehow seems appropriate after today's game lol
     
  39. BigNastyDB13

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    :pity: So you do think Thill is mediocre? And yes I have plenty of common sense, it's why I've been so successful given my age. Your whole argument is based upon 6 games of a nearly 4 yr career? Where would u rank Thill? And why?
     
  40. Finster

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    Which player is in control of the offense ON the field?

    Which skill position player touches the ball on every offensive down?

    This is like 2 + 2 stuff here, the QB is by a long shot, the 1 player on the field that is most responsible for offensive production, it's not even close, so that INEVITABLY leads to the conclusion that the QB is by far the 1 player that is most influential in W/Ls.

    It's incontrovertible, simply due to the volume of time spent with the ball, it's simply causality, you know, cause and effect.

    You are just spouting your own propaganda for your own agenda, plain and simple, illustrated by the fact that you never back it up with expert opinions from anywhere, because they don't exist, it's a fallacy.
     

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